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Deep Dive into Masai's Presidency

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Deep Dive into Masai's Presidency 

Post#1 » by Steelo Green » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:51 pm

Now that the season is over, I think it is time to have a look at Masai and his tenure with Toronto.

I preface this with saying Masai is a fine President, but that people need to stop looking at him as one of the elite of the elite President's in basketball.

Before I get "you are a hater who doesn't watch basketball", just a reminder I was the one saying Pascal and Fred will struggle big time against the Celtics and if you pay Fred 25 million, you will be stuck with one of the worst contracts in the NBA. I am only speaking in facts so as to make people realize that Masai is good but looking overall, he has had a lot of bad and the current state of the team isn't exactly much to write home about.

Now, when Masai took the team, he started strong, one of the best trades in franchise history (Bargs), and then Rudy Gay for the Sacramento package that netted us players to help make us a playoff team and get Vasquez who netted us OG and Norm.

Great start to his presidency.

Now I will give him a pass at the draft given that he took a project in Bruno and that he is relatively a great drafter (though Capella, Bogdanovic, Jokic, Grant, Dinwiddie, Harris, Powell, and Clarkson were all on the board).

Now, Kyle was basically traded to the Knicks but they backed out because they didn't want to get fleeced again, which in the end turned out great for us because Kyle has now had a borderline HOF career, but it cannot be ignored that he was going to trade him for MWP, Shumpert and a 2018 first rounder (which if the Knicks had Kyle would likely be a middling pick at best).

Okay, deals fall apart, let us leave that as well, but the next part cannot be ignored.

Masai signs Demarre Carroll who has recently had injuries to his Achilles and knee, two of the most red flag injuries in the league, and he not only signs him, but pays him 15 million dollars to be his "Lebron Stopper". 15 mil back then is something like 20+ currently for a 4-6 option on any good team. A similar player in Jae Crowder makes 7 mil in the current CBA with a higher cap. Luckily Wes Matthews was injured, otherwise Masai's plan was to sign him as well.

Okay, a blemish on the record is pretty common for most GM's, so let us say it was a mistake, but then if we start compounding it with others...

Masai had a core of Kyle, Val, and Derozan with their coach Casey for years. This core that kept getting embarrassed. Somehow Casey was not fired after the Wizards sweep (first time in NBA history the team with home court advantage was swept), and we continued to go with the same guys who had major issues in Demar who was one of the worst defenders in the league and who was unwilling/unable to learn the 3 point shot, which in today's NBA makes him a hugely flawed player.

Now he has some solid hits, signing Biyombo, Poetl is a tbd but got Kawhi so that's fine, and obviously leaving out contract, getting Pascal at 27 is a steal.

Then of course Fred not too long after which is again, a great gem of an undrafted player.

So some great moves by Masai, with some questionable ones, the biggest being that he kept going with a flawed core from the coach to their "star player".

Kyle and Serge are FA's in 2017, after a sweep to the Cavs and what do we do? We sign Kyle to a 30 million dollar deal for 2 years, and Serge to a 20+ million dollar deal. Kyle who didn't have a market and even asked to go to SA who didn't want him, and Serge who is a backup big in the NBA. For comparisons sake Brooke Lopez makes 13 million dollars as an all-star who is better than Serge in almost every facet.

We have a trend here of Masai handing out horrible deals left and right, which is the huge fear I have moving forward with Fred.

Masai then has to unload the horrendous contract of Carroll by trading a first and a second rounder to the Nets. Horrible asset management.

Solid pick in OG who is going to be a longstanding 3D in this league.

Then the big move, Kawhi. After years of going with a flawed core, a mediocre coach, a one in a million chance to get a player of Kawhi's caliber for one season comes along, and he jumps at it. Great trade of course, the best we have ever made, he carried us to the title.

Now of course one could say, but he did make the Kawhi trade, and he did get the title, sure, I agree, as I have said, this isn't a Masai is the worst GM in basketball, more so he is not this Godlike figure he is made out to be. If you look back he is great with drafting, trading for depth, but has huge issues with asset management in terms of contracts, handing out some of the worst deals in the league (such has Pascal and his max before he had done anything to earn it), and going with a flawed core. Masai also has huge issues with finding elite talent. Kawhi he got only because of the one year off very odd situation, but talent wise Toronto has never gotten great talent through Masai. Lot of good talent and depth pieces, but now that Kawhi is gone we don't really have any star power. Great coaching and depth but no starpower.

Masai will be here a long time, we all know that, but his patience and lucking into Kawhi do not forgive what we currently have. Kawhi is gone and we don't look very different to the Demar team and are severely lacking in elite talent.

If he keeps running the course it will be those same Demar years and the same people who hated those mediocre teams, the ones that were never truly a contender, and the chances a one in a million Kawhi trade happen again are slim to none.

GMs jobs are to build a sustained contender, and a one off title doesn't forgive Masai for prior to one season a mediocre Presidency.

Let's enjoy the personal jabs and people questioning if I watch basketball or hate myself :lol:
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Post#2 » by Raptorfan2012 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:58 pm

The first step to being a contender is to make the playoffs, and the Raptors have made the playoffs pretty much every single season since Masai took over. Masai’s next job is to find a new top 5 player to build around but that is super difficult. Even the Bucks who have a top 3 player is out of the playoffs. Masai is without a doubt a top executive in the NBA. There is not much more to say; who would you rather have replace him?
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Post#3 » by GordanFreeman » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:00 pm

Go ahead and 'analyze' any of the other elite presidents. They all have blemishes on their resumes.

And Masai is in the first tier. That's a fact bruv.
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Post#4 » by MavCarter » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:01 pm

You are desperate for attention
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Post#5 » by kilpin » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:02 pm

He took a team that hadn't made the playoffs in years (and even when they did they could not get past the first round), brought it to 7 straight PO appearances, He was patient not to make moves just for the fake of it but to exploit real opportunities. He brought a ring nobody would have bet a dollar on 5 years ago. What more was he supposed to do?
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Post#6 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:03 pm

All his bad moves, he sucks, his good moves just lucky or some other fluke. He's going to go back to sucking because facts. Cool story.

I've had OP on ignore for years but decided to read it. Reinforces original decision.
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Post#7 » by B-Ball Freak » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:03 pm

Lol you wrote all that when you could have just typed in ''I HATE MASAI'', what did he do to you and Pooh Jeter? :lol:
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Post#8 » by GordanFreeman » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:03 pm

Go ahead and 'analyze' any of the other elite presidents. They all have blemishes on their resumes.

And Masai is in the first tier. That's a fact bruv.
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Post#9 » by Chamilitary Man » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:05 pm

You would think that with the sheer amount of words you vomited onto your screen, at least a couple of them would combine to form a coherent thought. Like just based on probability a couple of those sentences should make some sort of sense.

But you managed to beat the odds. Congratulations.
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Post#10 » by Matty » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:11 pm

Name one GM in the league who hasn't made a bad move.

And while you're at let me know if any of them would have made the bold move of trading for Kawai.

Masai got eaten alive for trading DeRozan at the time. He knew it was a risk.
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Post#11 » by Steelo Green » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:12 pm

Chamilitary Man wrote:You would think that with the sheer amount of words you vomited onto your screen, at least a couple of them would combine to form a coherent thought. Like just based on probability a couple of those sentences should make some sort of sense.

But you managed to beat the odds. Congratulations.

It’s funny that the response is what the point your trying to make.

The irony.

It makes complete sense and instead of people actually looking deep into it, they just take personal shots because they have 0 tangible response.
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Post#12 » by Steelo Green » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:12 pm

Matty wrote:Name one GM in the league who hasn't made a bad move.

And while you're at let me know if any of them would have made the bold move of trading for Kawai.

Masai got eaten alive for trading DeRozan at the time. He knew it was a risk.

We have 0 star level talent currently. Kawhi is gone.
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Post#13 » by Matty » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:13 pm

Steelo Green wrote:
Matty wrote:Name one GM in the league who hasn't made a bad move.

And while you're at let me know if any of them would have made the bold move of trading for Kawai.

Masai got eaten alive for trading DeRozan at the time. He knew it was a risk.

We have 0 star level talent currently. Kawhi is gone.


We got a title didn't we? That was the objective, not keeping him.
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Post#14 » by Steelo Green » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:13 pm

B-Ball Freak wrote:Lol you wrote all that when you could have just typed in ''I HATE MASAI'', what did he do to you and Pooh Jeter? :lol:

I hate Masai? Is looking at his tenure as a whole hating?

Again, no one has any response other than conjecture and deflection.
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Post#15 » by Steelo Green » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:14 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:All his bad moves, he sucks, his good moves just lucky or some other fluke. He's going to go back to sucking because facts. Cool story.

I've had OP on ignore for years but decided to read it. Reinforces original decision.

Did I say that ye sucks?

People just want to read whatever they want.

Any criticism of Masai and it’s hyperbolic in terms of what they think I’m actually saying.

Criticism is valid.

And yes, mute me, the least liked person on RGM doesn’t like me :lol:
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Post#16 » by Steelo Green » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:15 pm

MavCarter wrote:You are desperate for attention

I BuY inTo PAsCaL
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Post#17 » by Steelo Green » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:16 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:The first step to being a contender is to make the playoffs, and the Raptors have made the playoffs pretty much every single season since Masai took over. Masai’s next job is to find a new top 5 player to build around but that is super difficult. Even the Bucks who have a top 3 player is out of the playoffs. Masai is without a doubt a top executive in the NBA. There is not much more to say; who would you rather have replace him?

Again, I am CRITICIZING. Not asking for replacement.

I’m just trying to say people really need to stop thinking he’s this all time great GM.

Kawhi saved what was a mediocre presidency.

If 20+ mil goes to Fred, just like my prediction with regard to Fred and Pascal struggling against Boston, it will be Demar all over again.

Remember when Dumars signed Vill and Gordon after the Pistons broke up? Can’t live on good will. He’s an executive.
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Post#18 » by SFour » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:18 pm

I hope Masai gets a 5-10 year contract extension....he's been great

Also you need to realize Masai is the president/GM of the TORONTO Raptors, a CANADIAN team....so straight from the jump he's at a big disadvantage when it comes to free agency, and he'll always have to overpay on his contracts, the sooner you realize that the better you'll be off...he's not given things on a golden platter like he would be if he was running the LA Lakers or NY Knicks
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Post#19 » by Sandman88 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:19 pm

Chamilitary Man wrote:You would think that with the sheer amount of words you vomited onto your screen, at least a couple of them would combine to form a coherent thought. Like just based on probability a couple of those sentences should make some sort of sense.

But you managed to beat the odds. Congratulations.

Yes because you’ve added so much to the discussion
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Post#20 » by Sandman88 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:20 pm

Steelo Green wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:All his bad moves, he sucks, his good moves just lucky or some other fluke. He's going to go back to sucking because facts. Cool story.

I've had OP on ignore for years but decided to read it. Reinforces original decision.

Did I say that ye sucks?

People just want to read whatever they want.

Any criticism of Masai and it’s hyperbolic in terms of what they think I’m actually saying.

Criticism is valid.

And yes, mute me, the least liked person on RGM doesn’t like me :lol:

It’s ok man, the second anyone criticizes a member of the team, count on this dude to trash the post. He’s a flat out apologist
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