Knicks rumoured to offer FVV 22M per year

Johnny Bball · Post #41 » by **Johnny Bball** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:41 pm

80-82 here or 88-90 on the Knicks... which do you think he takes?

Denisaur9 · Post #42 » by **Denisaur9** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:43 pm

Sign and trade with Smith Jr, maybe Frank and future pick could be great.

Smith Jr is talented, athletic and could learn so much from Lowry.

Frank is versatile on D but awful on O.

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Denisaur9 · Post #43 » by **Denisaur9** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:45 pm

StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.

I like Freddy but Brogdon is better.

Taller, makes very smart plays and shoots like 50/40/90.

Being 6'4 makes a difference

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ratul · Post #44 » by **ratul** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:46 pm

Why is this an overpay?

StopitLeo · Post #45 » by **StopitLeo** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:53 pm

Denisaur9 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.
I like Freddy but Brogdon is better.

Taller, makes very smart plays and shoots like 50/40/90.

Being 6'4 makes a difference

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Their offensive numbers are very similar. Fred is a better on-ball defender IMO. Seems like a better leader as well.

wtcantfw · Post #46 » by **wtcantfw** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:54 pm

Denisaur9 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.
I like Freddy but Brogdon is better.

Taller, makes very smart plays and shoots like 50/40/90.

Being 6'4 makes a difference

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While I also believe Brogdon is better, he fell right back down to Earth this year. 43% FG and 32% 3PT. Yikes.

Raps in 4 · Post #47 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:59 pm

Denisaur9 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.
I like Freddy but Brogdon is better.

Taller, makes very smart plays and shoots like 50/40/90.

Being 6'4 makes a difference

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Brogdon was nowhere close to 50/40/90 this year. He shot 44/33/89.

DelAbbot · Post #48 » by **DelAbbot** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:00 pm

StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.

Even if you consider Brogdon and FVV are similar talent and future production, don't you need to adjust for covid-19 cap changes. The cap could go down next year.

mdenny · Post #49 » by **mdenny** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:04 pm

Anything up to 25 milly per year is a mo-brainer for Fred. He is irreplaceable and I think fans who think he's overvalued will be shocked by our record without him if he leaves. Norm does not have the IQ to start on a top 4 seed. Kyle is getting older.

Fred is more important to our team than just about everyone else at this point. Lose him and lose our stability. We'd be a team that runs hot and cold all season.

First off....he's our best shooter.

Second....he's our best on-call perimeter defender.

And that doesnt even get into all the other tangible he brings. Game-winning plays, leadership on the bench

sule · Post #50 » by **sule** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:06 pm

If we re-sign him, I'd like to see an annual player option over the course of the contract, which would make sense for both sides. FVV would get to explore the market again if the cap starts rising in a year or two. And FVV exploring the market would allow the Raps to have some flexibility in pursuing other options.

My issue with re-signing FVV would be that he gets tunnel vision and in big moments starts looking for his own shot instead of distributing. He's good, but sometimes he can't see the forest from the trees the way Lowry does (but there are probably few PG's who can).

FVV probably should command somewhere between $17-20 million per, just based on his statistical comparison with other PGs. $22 would be a bit of an overpay, but I'd hope Masai & Co have a few trade packages in mind for the future should the team need the cap flexibility.

Should be interesting to see, because depending on who the Raps prioritize (Ibaka or FVV), it should tell us what they think the future of the NBA is. Letting Ibaka go and retaining FVV would mean they feel the league is headed for more small ball. If they let FVV walk for a little bit more money but decide to retain Ibaka, then they feel the league is indeed headed back to an inside-outside game.

I'd like to see them retain both. Give both a 1-year max contract with the understanding that they can re-negotiate for a lower amount next year if the cap goes back up or walk to another team. Would give Ibaka and FVV the ability to negotiate better long-term contracts with a potentially higher cap.

It also gives the Raps a chance to walk it back once more with minor tweaks, and keeps all flexibility for Giannis or other FA's in 2021. Each guy would also be good fodder for a big trade during the season.

sule · Post #51 » by **sule** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:10 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.

Even if you consider Brogdon and FVV are similar talent and future production, don't you need to adjust for covid-19 cap changes. The cap could go down next year.

Rubio is a comparable PG to FVV and he gets $17 mill per. FVV is actually a bit better in terms of stats. So I can see FVV getting around the $20 mill +/- $2 mill, which is what I think we all expect him to command.

pagal · Post #52 » by **pagal** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:15 pm

hated him from Day 1 and that bullsh*t 3 at the end of game 7 was hopefully the last time seeing him in raptors jersey.

glad he's getting paid, happy for him and his family but good riddance, fu*k BumVleet.

will · Post #53 » by **will** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:18 pm

pagal wrote:hated him from Day 1 and that bullsh*t 3 at the end of game 7 was hopefully the last time seeing him in raptors jersey.

glad he's getting paid, happy for him and his family but good riddance, fu*k BumVleet.

Convenient you failed to mention Senior in the 2019 NBA Finals. Ah...that selective short term memory.

mdenny · Post #54 » by **mdenny** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:18 pm

sule wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.

Even if you consider Brogdon and FVV are similar talent and future production, don't you need to adjust for covid-19 cap changes. The cap could go down next year.

Rubio is a comparable PG to FVV and he gets $17 mill per. FVV is actually a bit better in terms of stats. So I can see FVV getting around the $20 mill +/- $2 mill, which is what I think we all expect him to command.

This comparison ain't even close. You want to Rubio to cover the Curry's and the Lillard's?

There's 3 crucial elements in our elite defence. Fred can cover high scoring guards. OG can cover high scoring wings, and Gasol can cover high scoring centers.

Ibaka is the easiest to replace imo. There's tons of guys who can score off the bench.

pagal · Post #55 » by **pagal** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:23 pm

will wrote:
pagal wrote:hated him from Day 1 and that bullsh*t 3 at the end of game 7 was hopefully the last time seeing him in raptors jersey.

glad he's getting paid, happy for him and his family but good riddance, fu*k BumVleet.

Convenient you failed to mention Senior in the 2019 NBA Finals. Ah...that selective short term memory.

no, I maintain that I've hated him from day 1, against NJ, against Washington, every single game last year and yes, every single game this year, punctuated by every game in this last series.

I think we are entitled to our opinions - like your signature and posts overall. peace.

WeThe2019Champs · Post #56 » by **WeThe2019Champs** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:28 pm

Bye Bye FVV... Next man up

TheBoi10 · Post #57 » by **TheBoi10** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:30 pm

Terence Davis will be better anyways

Denisaur9 · Post #58 » by **Denisaur9** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:32 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Denisaur9 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.
I like Freddy but Brogdon is better.

Taller, makes very smart plays and shoots like 50/40/90.

Being 6'4 makes a difference

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Brogdon was nowhere close to 50/40/90 this year. He shot 44/33/89.

****at the time of brogdons deal he shot that...we are discussing Freddy's new deal

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Zeno · Post #59 » by **Zeno** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:35 pm

sule wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:Brogdon got a 4 year $85M contract and many have used him as a measuring stick for Fred's free agency.

4 years and $88M isn't that far off.

Even if you consider Brogdon and FVV are similar talent and future production, don't you need to adjust for covid-19 cap changes. The cap could go down next year.

Rubio is a comparable PG to FVV and he gets $17 mill per. FVV is actually a bit better in terms of stats. So I can see FVV getting around the $20 mill +/- $2 mill, which is what I think we all expect him to command.

Obviously I'd rather have Fred, but Rubio in a sign and trade if Phoenix comes up with a similar offer would be okay if they threw in a 2021 lotto protected pick swap for example.

Mikistan · Post #60 » by **Mikistan** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:40 pm

pagal wrote:hated him from Day 1 and that bullsh*t 3 at the end of game 7 was hopefully the last time seeing him in raptors jersey.

glad he's getting paid, happy for him and his family but good riddance, fu*k BumVleet.

what did you think of his fearlessness with durant and his 3pt shooting streack from the Bucks series through the finals last year?

Even his run this regular season was great put up 30 a couple nights