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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#41 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:09 pm

720 wrote:13 game Godnani was amazing before he went down with injuries. When he came back he went back to being mediocre.

That stretch was the first time he was truly the first option and our offense was centred around his presence on the court.

With that being said I wasn’t a Bargnani fanboy and his lack of rebounding and no defensive interior presence meant that we were always going to be limited and I’m glad we moved on from him for obvious reasons.


He actually wasn't that great, it was a 13 game sample and he had under 25 PER and was bad defensively still. Pretty sure.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#42 » by agentzero2010 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:10 pm

BC built flawed rosters with risky moves but the man was clearly ahead of his time. He was one of the first executives to push a 7 second or less offence which is now pretty much the norm. He was also one of the first executives to push for European player scouting and development which is now also pretty much the norm. He brought in a bunch of European players and failed but also set a precedent for guys like Siakam, Gasol and Ibaka to join the team. He built the team around 2 stretch bigs, surrounded them with shooters, though the team was soft and was terrible on defence. BC had good ideas, but just didn't get over the hump.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#43 » by PT416 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:13 pm

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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#44 » by Tacoma » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:14 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:If you could mold rookie Bargs to play today's game, who knows how he would have turned out.


Bargs could not be molded. The Caliper Test showed that he was virtually oblivious to what others think of him and that included coaching. Cathal Kelly summed it up nicely in a Toronto Star article 8 years ago:

"He'll absorb everything this city flings his way and shrug. "Criticism has two sides," Bargnani said last year. "Most of the time it just comes here …" — pointing at one ear — " … and goes out here" — pointing at the other. He is a stump. A talented stump, but a stump nonetheless — immovable, unchangeable."

Add this pigheadedness to his poor work ethic and it's a bad combo. When Colangelo gifted him that $50M guaranteed contract in 2009, it gave him zero incentive to listen. He was an enigma and would be the same today as he was back then.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#45 » by Danny1616 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:16 pm

People are so **** stupid.

Bosh would be great in this era, just like he was in the previous era. Bosh was a phenomenal player that was top 5 in the league in player efficiency from 2006-2010.

Bargnani would still be terrible in this era. People fail to realize Bargnani is ONLY 34 YEARS OLD. He's been out of the league since 2016 because he sucks. He's been irrelevant since 2013 when he was ONLY 27 YEARS OLD.

Just because you can shoot 3s, doesn't mean you are good NBA player.

Bargnani was an awful help defender, an atrocious rebounder, and also overrated as a shooter.

What makes this Raptors team so special is our defense. We have guys that are excellent help defenders, are versatile, have quickness, have length, can rebound well etc.

This is like people saying Steph wouldn't be good if he played in a different era. Steph in 2009 was absolutely unreal as a rookie averaging 18ppg, 6apg and 5rpg on 44% shooting from 3. In 2010 he averaged nearly 20ppg on 50/40/90 shooting. In 2011 he was hurt most of the season, and in 2012 he finally broke out and became a superstar.

You know how rare it is for a rookie to average those numbers, especially at that time?

Anyone that says Bargnani would excel today is an idiot.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#46 » by howlin mad axer » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Are we sure this wasn't something Delonte West said while he was high?... and not David West?
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Post#47 » by Basketball_Jones » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:30 pm

Godnani wasn't sustainable. He could guard the ball pretty well though. But defence requires constant attention and rotation, something he was terrible at.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#48 » by Danny1616 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:30 pm

agentzero2010 wrote:BC built flawed rosters with risky moves but the man was clearly ahead of his time. He was one of the first executives to push a 7 second or less offence which is now pretty much the norm. He was also one of the first executives to push for European player scouting and development which is now also pretty much the norm. He brought in a bunch of European players and failed but also set a precedent for guys like Siakam, Gasol and Ibaka to join the team. He built the team around 2 stretch bigs, surrounded them with shooters, though the team was soft and was terrible on defence. BC had good ideas, but just didn't get over the hump.


BC is a high-risk high-reward type of GM.

He made an awful trade in 2001 by trading Kidd for Marbury.

Then he made a great trade getting rid of Marbury and signing Nash.

But make no mistake, without Nash leading that Suns team, they would have been mediocre.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#49 » by Clay Davis » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:38 pm

If we let Bargnani play Euroball and not force him to put on weight, he'd probably have been more switchable and had better energy levels. It'd be like if the Mavs told Doncic to put on some muscle so he could deal with the Kawhi Leonards and the Lebrons of the league. His game would have suffered.

BC had nifty ideas but the problem was was that he wasn't ballsy enough to make the personnel choices that his vision demanded.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#50 » by Clay Davis » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:41 pm

agentzero2010 wrote:BC built flawed rosters with risky moves but the man was clearly ahead of his time. He was one of the first executives to push a 7 second or less offence which is now pretty much the norm. He was also one of the first executives to push for European player scouting and development which is now also pretty much the norm. He brought in a bunch of European players and failed but also set a precedent for guys like Siakam, Gasol and Ibaka to join the team. He built the team around 2 stretch bigs, surrounded them with shooters, though the team was soft and was terrible on defence. BC had good ideas, but just didn't get over the hump.

Every coach got on the Eurobandwagon after the Spurs showed that there are Tony Parkers and Manu Ginobilis out there, and the Mavs showed that a stiff lanky German dude can be a legitimate franchise player. BC just jumped on it harder than most. Problem was was that BC would find Euro players but not have the discipline and vision to make the necessary changes from coaching to conditioning personnel. Stupid guy, he was addicted to half-measures.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#51 » by Senbonzakura » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:13 pm

Anthony Parker is the guy I think might've made an all-star game if he had today's green light from 3. Could easily be a Middleton type player.
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Post#52 » by h4rrison » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:31 pm

For close to 3 seasons, he averaged about 20/5/5 on 47% shooting.

No defensive stats and poor rebounding but in today's game you don think he could of averaged at least 4-5 more points? His floor is today's game would of been Porzingis.
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Post#53 » by dafan590 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:37 pm

This post reminds me one of the realgm posters who has "#Knicks are showing baby pictures of some current players and asking fans to match the baby pic with the player. Crowd booed Bargnani's pic." on his signature. :lol:

I'm surprised that he hasn't shown up on this thread. :lol:
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Post#54 » by Basketball_Jones » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:17 pm

Senbonzakura wrote:Anthony Parker is the guy I think might've made an all-star game if he had today's green light from 3. Could easily be a Middleton type player.


Oh yeah, he does kind of remind me of Middleton. At least, what he would be when he’s 30. We unfortunately got AP when he was a bit older, though maybe peak wise for his NBA career.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#55 » by Danny1616 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:18 pm

Senbonzakura wrote:Anthony Parker is the guy I think might've made an all-star game if he had today's green light from 3. Could easily be a Middleton type player.


So why aren't JJ Reddick, Doug McDermott, Davis Bertans, the Bogdonovic brothers, Joe Ingles, Justin Holiday, Josh Richardson, Jae Crowder, Wes Matthews, CJ Miles etc. all-stars?

Parker was a nice starter and today he would be a nice starter, nothing more and nothing less.

For **** sakes, just because you can shoot the 3 does not automatically make you a star. So many players in the league can hit the 3 today, and most of them are role players.

What separates guys like Klay and Middleton is that not only can they shoot the 3 very well, but they can do many other things. They are good ball handlers that can create their own shot, they can shoot off balance, they can shoot coming off screens, they are great moving without the ball, they know how to create space, they are very good at getting to the basket, they are strong and athletic and can withstand contact, they have very good footwork. Being a star is not that easy.

There is a reason why Ray Allen was a perennial all-star and Jason Kapono was a 3 point champion who was out of the league after 5 seasons.

There is a reason why Klay is an all-star and Steve Novak was a scrub who jumped from team to team and was eventually waived.
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Post#56 » by Badonkadonk » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:49 pm

West has no idea what he's talking about with respect to Bargnani, who was never a good offensive player. He has this reputation as a shooter, but his 3P% was never fantastic.
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Post#57 » by Brinbe » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:51 pm

lol hell no
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Post#58 » by deep818 » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:58 pm

Looks like BC hacked David West's Twitter.

Bargnani's only contribution to this franchise was the fact that we traded him to the Knicks for a pick that became Poeltl, which was packaged for Kawhi.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#59 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:03 pm

The revisionist history regarding Bargnani is crazy. The guy was a low to mid 30s 3pt shooter for most of his career. He only had 1 season where he shot above 37% from 3.

His one and only strength was shooting and even that wasnt great. He would be mediocre in every era.
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Re: West - “Bargnani/Bosh would “blow this NBA outta the water” 

Post#60 » by raptoradical » Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:32 pm

kalel123 wrote:Bargnani still mentally too weak to succeed. Would've found a way to fail somehow.

It didn't help that they were trying to fit a square peg into a round hole by having him artificially bulk up.

I think through examples of Bargnani and Valanciunas, the team has learned that those things gotta happen naturally.


God we need Valanciunas on this team.
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