kalel123 wrote: Steelo Green wrote:
Dude, you are talking about that. You are the one who brought up Thomas when he wasn't even a viable example due to obvious reasons. The biggest one being Ainge didn't let him walk away for nothing; never mind the fact that Isiah Thomas was a damaged goods coming off career-altering injury. And you can't even admit you are wrong when you get fact checked. And you wonder why you are considered to be hatin' troll.
The least you can do when talking about "plenty" of execs letting assets walk away for nothing is to prove your point with some actual examples especially when your one shining example was proven to be wrong.
What fact did I get wrong?
People literally make things up.
I said the Celtics did not sign IT even though many would have given his MVP type season. Damaged goods was known after the fact, he was in the end traded for Kyrie. Everyone was on Ainge for not signing a guy that good.
I don't like signing smaller PGs who have big deficiencies in their offensive game and can be figured out pretty easily and go 10 points below league average efficiency against better defenses.
With regard to assets: Al Horford, Gordon Hayward, Ben Wallace (Chicago signing), Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudamire, Dwight Howard (Houston), Hedo Turkoglu, Evan Turner, Chandler Parsons, Joakim Noah, Mozgov, Elton Brand, Luol Deng, Penny Hardaway, Rashard Lewis, Eddie Curry
There's more, but I have good and bad players, some in their prime, some just past, some very good players, some mediocre players. GMs have let players go and been fine.
With regard to a guy like Hayward, he was never worth superstar money and the Jazz in the end are better for it, injury or not.
Letting assets go is not the end of the world. Almost none of the teams that let those guys go regretted it.
Make things up? Dude, this is why you get ignored and laughed at because you are often guilty of what you accuse others of.
Trading a player for another equivalent/better player is not letting an asset walk away for nothing. That is a fact. WTF is wrong with you? Wasn't even a sign-and-trade. Thomas wasn't even a FA yet at the time. And the main reason for trade is because who was viewed as potential franchise players at the time became available. It's time to admit you were just speaking outta your ass and move on.
And now you are just spitting bunch of s#!t out there hoping if you throw enough of it, something will stick. Of course, you don't realize most of your examples don't even apply to our situation here.
Gordon Hayward left despite being offered the max from Jazz for example. Jazz had no choice in the matter. That's equivalent to saying we let Bosh walk.
Guys like Al Horford was vastly overpaid, way more than his market value, to leave his former team. Doubt anybody else came even remotely close to what Sixers ended up giving him. Ditto on Turkoglu. That's mostly the reason GM's "let" players walk for nothing because there's a team out there willing to offer way more than anyone else would. Many here including myself are already on the record that we'd rather Van Vleet walk if that kind of situation presented itself. i.e. if a team like Knicks were offering him way more than anybody else was willing to offer. It's just that Brogdon-type money is still within reason in today's market and therefore he'd still definitely be tradeable.
Gotcha so you have nothing and just keep repeating that you have nothing and think that validates you. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2712065-isaiah-thomas-willing-to-delay-contract-extension-to-let-celtics-add-free-agents.amp.html
This is what I was making reference to. They in the end traded him with a year left but didn’t sign him at the time because they weren’t sold. I think everyone else got it except you.
What are you talking about? You’re literally making things up and just parading it as fact lol.
What did I lie about? The Celtics not signing IT because they weren’t sold? This is similar to the Pascal FA. We could have waited a year and made a decision then. They made the right decision. Extensions are extensions whether they are a year early or expiring.
They didn’t extend, right move, in the end, dealt him for Kyrie (in the end not making a difference BUT they didn’t have a terrible IT contract which is why the deal could even happen in the first place).
Bosh and Hayward are nothing alike lol. Hayward was a one time all-star, Bosh a perennial one.
And this is what you don’t get, FVV will be overpaid at 20 million, especially with a cap lowering. You think Fred is worth that, that’s on you, but he’s not and if he gets signed for that or more with us, we will regret it in a few years for sure.
You ignored most of the list and all were either of comparable value to Fred or even better and got similar equated deals.
You said where’s the list, I gave you a pretty long one and even if you disagree on some there are a lot of valid ones.
The only players you regret not signing are stars. Fred isn’t a star.
Howard was a superstar and the Lakers said no and in the end was the right decision.
Look at our own signing of Demarre Carroll. 15 mil and everyone here said that was fair value and he was traded with a first rounder just to get rid of him.
It’s just funny the hubris and hypocrisy with regard to putting down facts and just ignoring them and taking personal shots without reason.
I enjoy this is the state of this place now.
The responses to valid Fred has no playmaking ability, no mid range game, is in the 10th percentile for finishing at the rim, shot 10% lower TS percentage against a good defensive team and when the pressure is on him to be a scorer he becomes fairly mediocre (he was even during the season below average efficiency), who lacks size and for his good D can just be shot over, is I’m talking out of my ass.
Even those who say he stopped Steph make me laugh, the Steph who averaged 30 on 60TS was “stopped” by Fred and Fred has “championship pedigree” as though Kawhi, Kyle, and others weren’t more important in last years finals runs.
What you got? I got numbers and facts. I got all the players who signed elsewhere and the teams didn’t miss a beat.
We are talking about losing FVV. Only players who are truly regretted losing in NBA history are superstars like Lebron or Kawhi.
We are talking of a player likely to never make an all star game to be paid after he was exposed in the playoffs.
But sure, let’s go with your I’m talking out of my ass with legitimate points and your....... What exactly have you said that points to signing Fred with a cap dropping, with the position that is the deepest in the NBA, who will have to move positions where you need a playmaker which unlike Kyle, he is not and will again have to do more with his weaknesses.
“Where’s your list” - expansive list for you. And many of which are actually similar to Fred.
Your franchise won’t be made or broken by Fred.