Would you rather pay Fred 22/year or Oladipo the Max

bluerap23 · Post #1 » by **bluerap23** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:11 am

There have been some rumours (likely illegitimate) of a Fred sign and trade for Dipo. Dipo is expecting a max contract. That is 200 million over 5 years in his case.

Curious which player you’d rather have at these possible contracts.

SharoneWright · Post #2 » by **SharoneWright** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:16 am

Tor_Raps · Post #3 » by **Tor_Raps** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:35 am

Oladipo should not be expecting 40 million a year until he proves that one season wasn't a fluke. Even then, not sure he should be in the 30 million dollar range. With that said, i would definitely do the sign and trade with Fred for him to roll the dice.

NotMyKawhi · Post #4 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:38 am

I'd gamble on Oladipo for FVV

He didn't look great coming back from injury but just a year ago he was an mvp candidate. FVV will never reach that level

Red_Claw · Post #5 » by **Red_Claw** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:46 am

Where's the option "neither"?

To be clear, i like Oladipo for S/T Fred. What im not comfortable with is signing either of them longterm.

Syd-TK3 · Post #6 » by **Syd-TK3** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:48 am

There's no way dipo gets a max

Rapsfan07 · Post #7 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:52 am

I'm a big fan of Oladipo.

But even at that last all-star level, I would not pay $40M per. Thats Durant, Lillard, Curry, LBJ, Giannis type of money and he is absolutely not in that tier of players, even at his best.

Tip top shape Dipo is in the Tatum, George, Holiday, McCollum tier of players...and we don't even know for sure if he'll even get back there after the injury.

However, if there's any team that can get him back there, it's the Raps. I would go no higher than about $100M/4yrs, all things considered. If he wants more, I'll just keep FVV.

Raptors_128 · Post #8 » by **Raptors_128** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:58 am

If Oladipo returns to his all-star level then I rather pay him. You need stars to win in this league not overpaid role players.

Lowry/Oladipo/OG/Siakam/Gasol with 2017-2018 Oladipo is a legit contender.

LoveMyRaps · Post #9 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:19 am

Windhorst said today that Dipo's value is so low right now that he wouldn't even fetch Kuzma + Green + late 1st round pick.
That's all there is to know.

Johnny Bball · Post #10 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:55 am

Fred. At this point I'm not certain I would want to pay VO 22 million either.

sidsid · Post #11 » by **sidsid** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:07 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Windhorst said today that Dipo's value is so low right now that he wouldn't even fetch Kuzma + Green + late 1st round pick.
That's all there is to know.

That's great. It means a FVV for Dipo trade would work easily.

Then we get another Kawhi like situation where a player with a chip on his shoulder tries to prove that he's still the player he thinks he is after an injury.

Don't know if I'd pay him the max, but the good news is we don't have to think about that for another year and see how he looks.

Parataxis · Post #12 » by **Parataxis** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:16 am

If I had to choose? FVV, I guess. But I don't think we should sign either of them to contracts like that.

pr0gr4m · Post #13 » by **pr0gr4m** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:21 am

I would put the max on Oladipo. He had a bad injury but he can produce he showed it this past season. I think the Pacers might want to just move on from since he has cited being discontent.

I would try getting Oladipo for Powell, Davis, 29, and fillers. I would keep Fred and see how the season plays out. Players generally don't want to be here unless they already spent some time in TO.

I get the feeling the Raptors are going to re-sign Ibaka, Fred, Gasol, and draft Zeke Nnaji.

Ibaka/Nnaji/Gasol
Siakam/Oshae
OG/Watson
Oladipo/Lowry
FVV/Lowry

I think it fixes the biggest weakness of not having a shot creator and we can rely on the 905 to fill the bench holes. I wouldn't mind bring backing Gasol for a 10 min / game bench role then using him in the playoffs if we come across an Embiid. He would be great for someone like Nnaji to follow too.

I wouldn't rule out Ibaka and Gasol taking 1 year deals looking at the market and the wave that'll hit soon. Even if Ibaka or FVV are re-signed to long term big deals. It would still be possible to move them for cap room in the next off-season. There will need to be a degree of risk assessment however. You could easily trade FVV for Otto Porter (expiring) and Ibaka for Aldridge (expiring) for a PO push as well as off-season flexibility.

Aldridge/Gasol
Siakam/Porter
OG/Porter
Dipo/Watson
Lowry/Winston(2020 2nd)

I think it would be a good idea and keep us flexible long term.

douggood · Post #14 » by **douggood** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:22 am

what are the pacers going to do with 4 pg.
brogdon, 3rd holliday brother aaron, tj mconnel.

Johnny Bball · Post #15 » by **Johnny Bball** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:42 am

pr0gr4m wrote:I would put the max on Oladipo. He had a bad injury but he can produce he showed it this past season.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2527963/victor-oladipo

There might be one season only that he deserved the max. He wasn't very good this year and he wasn't great last year before he got hurt.

pr0gr4m · Post #16 » by **pr0gr4m** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:52 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
pr0gr4m wrote:I would put the max on Oladipo. He had a bad injury but he can produce he showed it this past season.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2527963/victor-oladipo

There might be one season only that he deserved the max. He wasn't very good this year and he wasn't great last year before he got hurt.

Yup it's a risk but you gotta take it as a low interest destination in the NBA.

I think he can put it together and put up 30ppg average in the playoffs if we set up things right around him. He would be a great second option next to Giannis as well or even the 3rd option. I think it's a worthwhile risk to take there isnt' anyone else we have the assets to get either.

Post #17 » by **Alfred** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:12 am

bluerap23 wrote:There have been some rumours (likely illegitimate) of a Fred sign and trade for Dipo. Dipo is expecting a max contract. That is 200 million over 5 years in his case.

Curious which player you’d rather have at these possible contracts.

If Dipo is expecting a max contract he is in for a rude awakening.

TorontoRapsFan · Post #18 » by **TorontoRapsFan** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:39 am

Lol. Rather pay FVV the max than pay Oladipo the max at this point.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #19 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 7:27 am

Oladipo opens the doors for two max contracts (or 1 max and 1 near max) in the summer/free agency of 2021. if we don't sign him, his expiring + Lowry's expiring will open a few more options for Raptors.

Siakam + OG + TD3 + Thomas + Giannis + FA would form the basis of the team that year.

in the 2021 season:
Lowry
Oladipo
OG
Siakam
Ibaka

would make Raptors a potential Finals team. With Norm, TD3, Thomas, Boucher, Watson, McCaw + 1 big man FA --> manning the bench. (or Norm is gone in a trade to ensure he doesn't exercise his player option). Oladipo takes the pressure off of Siakam. something FVV couldn't do.

if Oladipo plays at an all star level player with Lowry, I think Oladipo would be worth the max and used as front man to bring Giannis in.

Rapsalot · Post #20 » by **Rapsalot** » Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:01 am

Neither