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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#141 » by raptoradical » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:46 pm

Considering he could've gotten more else where first off says how loyal he is, but also second he might be making room for Ibaka.
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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#142 » by AirCanadaMouse » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:51 pm

I think he’s a replaceable player, and at that price tag I need a true solidified starter and he’s really not that. He’s still inefficient, and given his size, I don’t see that ceiling getting any higher.

He also gets exposed every time in the playoffs and his hero ball nonsense was unbearable during the Celtics series.

He needs to step up big time, I’m just not a fan of FVV but Terrence Davis blew any chance he had of taking his role.


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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#143 » by RaptorHusky » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:56 pm

AirCanadaMouse wrote:I think he’s a replaceable player, and at that price tag I need a true solidified starter and he’s really not that. He’s still inefficient, and given his size, I don’t see that ceiling getting any higher.

He also gets exposed every time in the playoffs and his hero ball nonsense was unbearable during the Celtics series.

He needs to step up big time, I’m just not a fan of FVV but Terrence Davis blew any chance he had of taking his role.


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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#144 » by canada_dry » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:56 pm

Fred van vleet numbers running the point primarily during the stretch lowry missed time to injury:

21 ppg
7.5 apg
4 rpg
2.5 stl

44%fg
40% from 3.

11 game sample size

Team record: 9-2 including wins against the lakers, blazers, sixers, and jazz.

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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#145 » by douggood » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:58 pm

canada_dry wrote:Fred van vleet numbers running the point primarily during the stretch lowry missed time to injury:

21 ppg
7.5 apg
4 rpg
2.5 stl

44%fg
40% from 3.

11 game sample size

Team record: 9-2 including wins against the lakers, blazers, sixers, and jazz.

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people complaining about his short size, getting stopped by big guards, more than half the time he is play SG, factor that into the thinking/stats.
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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#146 » by DonDoolie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:05 pm

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They can easily trade that, calm down



Nah this is a bad contract you don't sign contracts like this hoping you can trade it later. 21 million for this overrated chucker is a joke. Same people in here saying its a fair deal will be crying by mid season. But leave it to raptors fans to overrate the hell out of mediocre players

Nah, the only people that are gonna be crying about this midseason are the same ones crying about it now. If there's one unfortunate fact about this board, is that posters like you will never quit crying


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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#147 » by pr0gr4m » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:05 pm

It's a good and most importantly very tradeable contract.

I would have liked to see him go to NY and completely bomb. For Toronto's benefit it would show future RFAs that the grass isn't greener.

This is great for continuity but I want him dealt once the new signing-trading restriction is over. I see him underperforming this year with a new contract.
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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#148 » by raptor jesus » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:07 pm

AirCanadaMouse wrote:I think he’s a replaceable player, and at that price tag I need a true solidified starter and he’s really not that. He’s still inefficient, and given his size, I don’t see that ceiling getting any higher.

He also gets exposed every time in the playoffs and his hero ball nonsense was unbearable during the Celtics series.

He needs to step up big time, I’m just not a fan of FVV but Terrence Davis blew any chance he had of taking his role.


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I know it was over a year ago now, but do you not recall the Raptors winning a title, and Mr. Vanvleet contributing to that achievement in a major way?
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Post#149 » by DonDoolie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:07 pm

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Oh shut up... Fred will provide surplus value over this contract with his defense and shooting alone, even if he doesn't improve his finishing or pick and roll passing



You keep thinking that but I dont want to see you crying half way through the season about his contract.


Looks like you're doing enough crying for the rest of us.

This is a good deal, we gave him what other players at his level are getting. Considering Jeremi Grant $20 mill a year we did very well.



So because another team overpaid a role player the raptors should do the same? What kind of backwards BS logic are you using ? I swear some of you don't even think before posting.
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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#150 » by DonDoolie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:09 pm

raptor jesus wrote:
AirCanadaMouse wrote:I think he’s a replaceable player, and at that price tag I need a true solidified starter and he’s really not that. He’s still inefficient, and given his size, I don’t see that ceiling getting any higher.

He also gets exposed every time in the playoffs and his hero ball nonsense was unbearable during the Celtics series.

He needs to step up big time, I’m just not a fan of FVV but Terrence Davis blew any chance he had of taking his role.


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I know it was over a year ago now, but do you not recall the Raptors winning a title, and Mr. Vanvleet contributing to that achievement in a major way?


While he was the 4th or 5th option and being paid his worth. Hiding behind kawhi lowry and pascal. Need flash buddy we dont have kawhi and lowry is getting older. Some of you need to let go of the past.
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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#151 » by OakleyDokely » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:10 pm

DonDoolie wrote:
realball wrote:
DonDoolie wrote:

You keep thinking that but I dont want to see you crying half way through the season about his contract.


Looks like you're doing enough crying for the rest of us.

This is a good deal, we gave him what other players at his level are getting. Considering Jeremi Grant $20 mill a year we did very well.



So because another team overpaid a role player the raptors should do the same? What kind of backwards BS logic are you using ? I swear some of you don't even think before posting.
Raps still preserve a max slot for next year and his contract isn't crazy so it's tradable in the future. What exactly is the problem? You'd rather lose an asset for nothing?
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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#152 » by tdot_steel » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:12 pm

To put it in perspective De'Aron Fox signed for 5 yrs @ 163 million. He isn't worth almost 2x FVV.
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Post#153 » by Kurtz » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:15 pm

Ya'll are spending way too much time arguing with troll Doolie.
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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#154 » by Mikistan » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:15 pm

Didn't realize this was the Don doolie thread.

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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#155 » by raptor jesus » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:16 pm

DonDoolie wrote:
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AirCanadaMouse wrote:I think he’s a replaceable player, and at that price tag I need a true solidified starter and he’s really not that. He’s still inefficient, and given his size, I don’t see that ceiling getting any higher.

He also gets exposed every time in the playoffs and his hero ball nonsense was unbearable during the Celtics series.

He needs to step up big time, I’m just not a fan of FVV but Terrence Davis blew any chance he had of taking his role.


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I know it was over a year ago now, but do you not recall the Raptors winning a title, and Mr. Vanvleet contributing to that achievement in a major way?


While he was the 4th or 5th option and being paid his worth. Hiding behind kawhi lowry and pascal. Need flash buddy we dont have kawhi and lowry is getting older. Some of you need to let go of the past.


I would assert that some of you need to update your contract assessments to match the realities of the modern NBA cap situation. It's not 2011 - FVV isn't being compensated like a superstar with this contract. This type of money is the reality for high level role players these days, and FVV is certainly that.
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Post#156 » by DonDoolie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:23 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
DonDoolie wrote:
realball wrote:
Looks like you're doing enough crying for the rest of us.

This is a good deal, we gave him what other players at his level are getting. Considering Jeremi Grant $20 mill a year we did very well.



So because another team overpaid a role player the raptors should do the same? What kind of backwards BS logic are you using ? I swear some of you don't even think before posting.
Raps still preserve a max slot for next year and his contract isn't crazy so it's tradable in the future. What exactly is the problem? You'd rather lose an asset for nothing?


Sign and trade or let him walk. You don't overpay and hope to trade in the future. God forbid he gets injured or lowers his value then youre stuck with this trash bag for 3-4 years
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Post#157 » by DonDoolie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:24 pm

raptor jesus wrote:
DonDoolie wrote:
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I know it was over a year ago now, but do you not recall the Raptors winning a title, and Mr. Vanvleet contributing to that achievement in a major way?


While he was the 4th or 5th option and being paid his worth. Hiding behind kawhi lowry and pascal. Need flash buddy we dont have kawhi and lowry is getting older. Some of you need to let go of the past.


I would assert that some of you need to update your contract assessments to match the realities of the modern NBA cap situation. It's not 2011 - FVV isn't being compensated like a superstar with this contract. This type of money is the reality for high level role players these days, and FVV is certainly that.


Overpay is an overpay. We got a mediocre guard who was made by our system for 21 million. He wouldn't be half as good on another team and is easily replaceable in our system.
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Post#158 » by 2019nbachamps » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:24 pm

I'm not a huge fan but respect FVV for his loyalty to the team. He could've gotten more elsewhere but decided to take less and try to win with us.
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Post#159 » by DonDoolie » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:25 pm

Mikistan wrote:Didn't realize this was the Don doolie thread.

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Atleast im talking about the team or players what are you doing exactly? Targeting posters for having an opinion? Stfu

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Re: Shams: Fred VanVleet has agreed to a four-year, $85M deal to re-sign with the Toronto Raptors 

Post#160 » by JN » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:27 pm

AirCanadaMouse wrote:I think he’s a replaceable player, and at that price tag I need a true solidified starter and he’s really not that. He’s still inefficient, and given his size, I don’t see that ceiling getting any higher.

He also gets exposed every time in the playoffs and his hero ball nonsense was unbearable during the Celtics series.

He needs to step up big time, I’m just not a fan of FVV but Terrence Davis blew any chance he had of taking his role.


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His has a .553 TS%. That's not really inefficient.
Could it be better. Sure. But it's better than Jrue Holiday for example.

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