OG extension now or RFA match 2021

[J-Roc]

Thought this would be the obvious pivot.

[VanWest82]

Yes you extend now assuming the number is reasonable.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

extend now if can agree on a bargain contract.

[Zeno]

extend now if can agree on a bargain contract.

Define what you think that means. Grant got 20 million per. I think 4 years 80 is the minimum he’d take as shockingly he might get max next summer. Maybe you can get a bit less if you give him a player option but I’d try to avoid that at all costs. So is that a bargain?

[anotherhomer]

If paid him more than fvv, that will be a problem.

4 yr/72M is reasonable

[AkelaLoneWolf]

extend now if can agree on a bargain contract.

Define what you think that means. Grant got 20 million per. I think 4 years 80 is the minimum he’d take as shockingly he might get max next summer. Maybe you can get a bit less if you give him a player option but I’d try to avoid that at all costs. So is that a bargain?

unless he makes a couple of jumps from where he's at, he's not going to get the max. i could see some desperate team offer him 20M per year if they flake out in free agency. if i could get him at 15M per year, i would re-sign him. as a very good 3 + d player who shows up in the playoffs he is worth at least that. if his agent uses, jerami grant as a baseline, it might be better to wait. i don't think grant lives up to that contract though.

[Kingsway_fan]

Wait. No rush... lets see what we got first....

[vbmeer]

Klutch Sports + FVV contract + Jerami Grant contract + key positional scarcity in the market = 21 million+ a year for 4 years

[Zeno]

extend now if can agree on a bargain contract.

Define what you think that means. Grant got 20 million per. I think 4 years 80 is the minimum he’d take as shockingly he might get max next summer. Maybe you can get a bit less if you give him a player option but I’d try to avoid that at all costs. So is that a bargain?

unless he makes a couple of jumps from where he's at, he's not going to get the max. i could see some desperate team offer him 20M per year if they flake out in free agency. if i could get him at 15M per year, i would re-sign him. as a very good 3 + d player who shows up in the playoffs he is worth at least that. if his agent uses, jerami grant as a baseline, it might be better to wait. i don't think grant lives up to that contract though.

OG is a better defender than Grant. A better shooter than Grant. Plus he’s young. Denver was willing to match the contract and this was a tight capspace market. Next summer won’t be. I’d offer him 4 years 80 and throw in incentives if he makes an all defense team which I bet he will. I think he gets 20 million per even if he just duplicates last season showing not improvement.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Define what you think that means. Grant got 20 million per. I think 4 years 80 is the minimum he’d take as shockingly he might get max next summer. Maybe you can get a bit less if you give him a player option but I’d try to avoid that at all costs. So is that a bargain?

unless he makes a couple of jumps from where he's at, he's not going to get the max. i could see some desperate team offer him 20M per year if they flake out in free agency. if i could get him at 15M per year, i would re-sign him. as a very good 3 + d player who shows up in the playoffs he is worth at least that. if his agent uses, jerami grant as a baseline, it might be better to wait. i don't think grant lives up to that contract though.

OG is a better defender than Grant. A better shooter than Grant. Plus he’s young. Denver was willing to match the contract and this was a tight capspace market. Next summer won’t be. I’d offer him 4 years 80 and throw in incentives if he makes an all defense team which I bet he will. I think he gets 20 million per even if he just duplicates last season showing not improvement.

that's fine. my only hesitation would be locking up role players, even if good ones, can diminish flexibility to acquire all stars and superstars.

[sidsid]

extend now if can agree on a bargain contract.

Define what you think that means. Grant got 20 million per. I think 4 years 80 is the minimum he’d take as shockingly he might get max next summer. Maybe you can get a bit less if you give him a player option but I’d try to avoid that at all costs. So is that a bargain?

He's already a more impactful player than FVV in the playoffs, with the size/athleticism that everyone is looking for, has a better toolset than Grant, and a guy like Bertans got 18 mil.

Magic number would be 18, but his agent almost certainly wouldn't let him make less than Grant. You take him at 20 mil as the money sloshing around next offseason probably sees an offer around 25 mil.

You take your chances now and bet on his improvement making that contract a bargain. It's high end role player money, but unlike the FVV contract, it's locked in to a player type and skillset that every team desires with room to grow.

[MixxSRC]

Masai will extend him

[Tha Cynic]

The Raptors will extend him, and then flip either FVV or Siakam in a big trade.

I wouldn't be surprised if Masai goes really hard at Harden, now with Giannis off the market, but of course he would need to want to come here. Masai is most likely going to take care of his better players and then look to pounce when the time is right.

[dhackett1565]

It depends on what OG would accept. If you can lock him in at 20M or lower, sure. I don't know that he accepts that, there's going to be an ocean of cap room next year and all it takes is one team to offer him the 25% max. I imagine his extension price is above 20M, somewhere below 24M, but not by much. Might be more worthwhile to make him prove he has a market above that next summer.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

The Raptors will extend him, and then flip either FVV or Siakam in a big trade.

I wouldn't be surprised if Masai goes really hard at Harden, now with Giannis off the market, but of course he would need to want to come here. Masai is most likely going to take care of his better players and then look to pounce when the time is right.

he could just make a godfather offer and give up siakam as doesn't look like anyone is giving up anything more than a poo-poo platter. alternatively, we could wait until FVV is tradeable and then make a move then.

[sidsid]

It depends on what OG would accept. If you can lock him in at 20M or lower, sure. I don't know that he accepts that, there's going to be an ocean of cap room next year and all it takes is one team to offer him the 25% max. I imagine his extension price is above 20M, somewhere below 24M, but not by much. Might be more worthwhile to make him prove he has a market above that next summer.

For extensions the tradeoff for a player is to take less in order to mitigate against a potential injury.

I would still set the ceiling around 20 mil. Maybe match FVVs contract at the most. Anything more and the incentives to keep cap space and his cap hold start making more sense just as an option for the offseason.

[mdenny]

WE DON'T NEED TO CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY OG MAKES. HE HAS A CAP HOLD.

Getting him at a bargain does only one thing....it saves money for MLSE. There is no reason any fan needs to worry about his contract size (like we did Fred) as long as we wait til next off-season and re-up him after signing free agents first. (If I understand correctly)

[sidsid]

WE DON'T NEED TO CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY OG MAKES. HE HAS A CAP HOLD.

Getting him at a bargain does only one thing....it saves money for MLSE. There is no reason any fan needs to worry about his contract size (like we did Fred) as long as we wait til next off-season and re-up him after signing free agents first. (If I understand correctly)

There's still value in getting a player at par or below market value for cap considerations.

In the extreme example, GSW locking up Steph to that crazy long 11 mil contract before he blew up enabled them to get Durant and extend their run.

That's the value now that there isn't a clear goal for the cap space this offseason with Giannis gone. A good contract also brings back better assets in a trade.

[mdenny]

It depends on what OG would accept. If you can lock him in at 20M or lower, sure. I don't know that he accepts that, there's going to be an ocean of cap room next year and all it takes is one team to offer him the 25% max. I imagine his extension price is above 20M, somewhere below 24M, but not by much. Might be more worthwhile to make him prove he has a market above that next summer.

I'm not sure if ppl understand. Not even positive I've got it right.

If we lock him in at say....25 milly per now....his salary will count as 25 milly towards our cap when going for free agents next summer.

If we sign him for 25 milly next summer (after signing free agents)....he will only count as 12 against our cap.

If a team offers him a max next summer....we can match it and he will STILL only count as 12 against our cap.

OG negotiations will be about MLSE money. Not about our cap restrictions. MLSE is willing to pay above the cap. The trick is finding ways to be allowed to do so. If we sign him now....we lose the privilege of going above the cap.

It's a no-brainer to wait. It's also in OG's interest to wait...because MLSE can pay him more without worrying about cap ramnifications. So we can pay him more than we would if he counted against the cap.

[mdenny]

WE DON'T NEED TO CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY OG MAKES. HE HAS A CAP HOLD.

Getting him at a bargain does only one thing....it saves money for MLSE. There is no reason any fan needs to worry about his contract size (like we did Fred) as long as we wait til next off-season and re-up him after signing free agents first. (If I understand correctly)

There's still value in getting a player at par or below market value for cap considerations.

In the extreme example, GSW locking up Steph to that crazy long 11 mil contract before he blew up enabled them to get Durant and extend their run.

That's the value now that there isn't a clear goal for the cap space this offseason with Giannis gone. A good contract also brings back better assets in a trade.

No there's not value in getting OG (him specifically) under market value for cap considerations UNLESS you sign him for less than 12 milly per year (which will never happen).

I didn't understand this either until someone explained it to me. The reason there's no reason is because as long as we wait til next year and reach the cap with signings....OG will only count as 12 no matter how much we pay him. So anything over 12 million per year is not money that fans need to care about. It doesn't count towards the cap. If we sign him now....his entire salary counts towards the cap. If we wait....only 12 milly will count towards the cap. We can pay him 30 milly per year next off-season. The cap hit is still 12.

That's why there's no way we extend him until the off-season. If we do....it would signify that MLSE is not willing to pay money to win.