Danny1616 wrote:Steelo Green wrote:Danny1616 wrote:
Don't give them the stats man.
These same guys were praying a few years ago that we would tank for Wiggins and were still hoping we would traded for Wiggins 2-3 years ago.
Conjecture is always fun.
Also it doesn’t matter where you were picked but what you were paid. Kawhi got picked 15th, should we expect him to not be a superstar because of that. How about Manu? Tony Parker? Gilbert Arenas? Giannis?
Your contract dictates what your role is, not where you’re drafted. He was great value but now he’s paid as one of the leagues best.
People literally just make things up and high five one another about it because of what exactly?
Okay, so let's go to your argument.
Pascal's contract kicks in this year, so he has 4 years to prove himself. You don't judge a contract on a few months or 1 year, you judge it on the entire contract.
Right now let's look at the players with the biggest contracts and whether they deserve it over Pascal.
Curry - Injured for an entire year, zero contribution. We have to see whether he earns 45m+ a year.
Westbrook - Overpaid, underperformed multiple times in the playoffs.
Chris Paul - Good leader, not worth 45m+ a year.
John Wall - Hurt for most of his contract, has done nothing noteworthy in the playoffs. Makes 45m+
James Harden - Deserved his contract during regular season but underperformed in the playoffs. Makes 45m+
Lebron James - Has lived up to his contract so far.
Durant - Have to wait and see...injured his entire first year so zero production.
Griffin - Past his prime, makes 38m+ plus a year. Injury prone, could not lead his team to the playoffs.
George - Underperformed in the playoffs multiple seasons now and injury prone.
Mike Conley - Underperformed in the playoffs before, didn't have a great year last season.
Kemba Walker - Decent year last season, knee issues, underperformed in the playoffs.
Tobias Harris - Way overpaid.
Joel Embiid - Injury prone, underperformed in the playoffs multiple times.
Kevin Love - Underperformed, stat padder on terrible team.
Andrew Wiggins - Sucks.
All those players make more than Pascal this season. Except for Lebron, Pascal has done more than every other player on that list last year.
Ridiculous argument by you, but that's expected as usual.
Well no, you’re judged by the contract you signed. We signed him to be a max player. His contract kicking in is irrelevant. Or was this year we judge him not for the contract he signed.
I mean had he not signed it then sure - but he signed a max level deal so we should expect max level production.
Had he maintained the play first half I would be content, however he deteriorated more and more as the year went on, and had an all time (yes all time) worst performance in playoff history with a top 5 lowest TS in the history of the playoffs for a player of his usage. Or sorry - you guys don’t deal in actual numbers - just the surface level jargon.
I mean Demar is a 4 time all star right - we should all say what a fantastic resume and player you want to build around? No see - I look at playoff performances and an all time horrendous one - numbers wise that is, well that sticks out to me. But hey ridiculous argument that is backed by statistical evidence right
Curry - Really? Are you really going to discuss a player who has won three titles and two MVPs? Last year he wasn’t even injured. He broke his hand and took it off to tank for his team after 4 straight finals. I shouldn’t even respond to the rest of this - this in and of itself is such a ludicrous take but sure let’s humour..
Westbrook - Yeah, bad deal there too. Still a former MVP but yeah that money for him. You’re trying to argue other bad contracts to justify Pascals bad one lol
Chris Paul - I would take CP at that money still over Pascal. Pascal being on a team that won a title doesn’t mean he’s somehow better or more valuable than a player like Paul. Are you saying OKC makes the playoffs last year with Pascal? This notion of Pascal = second option needs to die as well. Scoring and taking the second amount of shots is not a second option - Kyle scored less, hell Fred did too but were more important than Pascal during the run and finals. Pascals the same guy who was also not found until the finals. Or shall I bring up the laughable numbers against Philly and Milwaukee?
Kyle was the second leading scorer that series against Milwaukee so, so much for consistent second option, and Pascal had a 468 TS which is almost ten points below league average (oddly enough something he did this year against Boston too).
Pascal had again below average TS against Philly with his 19PPG where everyone was basically terrible and Kawhi scored the third most points in a series all time to carry us to the W (and then we aren’t talking about any Fred heroics or Pascal good finals).
Pascals playoffs are more reminiscing of Demar offensively. He can play D, which is his saving grace, but this Pascal can be consistently relied on for O is not a good take.
John Wall - everyone said it was a terrible contract. So what we are in agreement? The Wizards handed out a terrible contract injury or not?
Durant - Agreed with wait and see but he is a two time finals MVP and MVP so he does have something to go by
Griffin - terrible contract then. Not sure why you’re reinforcing my point with showing other bad contracts handed out. And Blake was a multiple all star and all nba at that point so he did have more pedigree than Pascal.
You keep listing all these players who were handed all these bad contracts and then are saying what they shouldn’t have gotten it compared to Pascal? Yeah. They shouldn’t have and neither should have Pascal. The irony is hilarious.
“Hey here’s these also bad contracts that didn’t work out, which actually reinforces your point about Pascal, when actually these guys had more pedigree than Pascal if you look at it...”
You posted Wiggins like I am saying they gave a good contract. No, that was bad, probably worse than Pascal, but a 7/10 versus a 10/10 on the bad scale is just different degrees of bad.
You proved my point with your post and then had the hubris to say it was a ridiculous argument by me as expected. Touché.