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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#741 » by Psubs » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:20 am

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Don’t sleep on Suggs... his finishing and passing is something else...

IMO he’s the best point guard prospect since Jason Kidd. IMO he’s already the best player in the NCAA.

Cade is also great, I don’t think he will ever be a true #1 option as a scorer (could definitely be the best player on a contender). He’s in that Scottie Pippen/Grant Hill mold IMO.

Cade and Suggs are special. Mobley will be their Chris Bosh :lol:


Is Suggs so much better than his own teammate Ayayi? More athletic but Ayayi get rebounds, shoots 60% and has an A/T of 3. :D

More dynamic, better shot creator, better 3 point shooter, and 3 years younger.


Fair enough, but Suggs is only 1 year (well 1 year and 3 months) younger than Ayayi.
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Post#742 » by MixxSRC » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:01 am

Honestly this team is better than its record. So much so we're going to get investigated soon lol this tank is sus
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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#743 » by jimmy keys » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:38 am

MixxSRC wrote:Honestly this team is better than its record. So much so we're going to get investigated soon lol this tank is sus


Although I agree to an extent they can't seem to close out games or protect late leads. Good teams close out games or find ways to win. This team is just not clicking on any level.
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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#744 » by John Murdoch » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:55 am

What do yall want for Baynes ? 2nd rounder ?
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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#745 » by T-d0t » Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:25 pm

John Murdoch wrote:What do yall want for Baynes ? 2nd rounder ?
A bag of chips.
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Post#746 » by ark26 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:39 pm

John Murdoch wrote:What do yall want for Baynes ? 2nd rounder ?


Lebron and 2 frp.

Baynes is leading us to the first overall pick
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Post#747 » by 2019nbachamps » Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:45 pm

This. Is. How. We. Do.
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Post#748 » by T-d0t » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:25 pm

Lowry for sure would get back a late first but do y'all think that Boucher + Norm is enough for a late first as well? Keep in mind Powell has a player option for next yr while Boucher has a team option.
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Post#749 » by Kingsway_fan » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:32 pm

T-d0t wrote:Lowry for sure would get back a late first but do y'all think that Boucher + Norm is enough for a late first as well? Keep in mind Powell has a player option for next yr while Boucher has a team option.


Glad you aren't raps gm, lol... no way they are trading Boucher...
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Post#750 » by tradejosehesux » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:41 pm

Here is a gambling tip. Wait until the Raps get up by 15, go to live betting and bet away. I've done it twice now at +330 and hit both times.
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Post#751 » by rocky_da_best » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:43 pm

If the idea is to do a quick rebuild, I don't think I'd even move Lowry (assuming he wants to stay). I'd only move norm and filler. Get a high draft pick, Max player slot, re-sign Kyle with bird rights on a friendlier deal.
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Post#752 » by T-d0t » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:47 pm

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T-d0t wrote:Lowry for sure would get back a late first but do y'all think that Boucher + Norm is enough for a late first as well? Keep in mind Powell has a player option for next yr while Boucher has a team option.


Glad you aren't raps gm, lol... no way they are trading Boucher...
It's called sell high for a reason man. Boucher isn't a kid
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Post#753 » by DelAbbot » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:00 pm

T-d0t wrote:
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T-d0t wrote:Lowry for sure would get back a late first but do y'all think that Boucher + Norm is enough for a late first as well? Keep in mind Powell has a player option for next yr while Boucher has a team option.


Glad you aren't raps gm, lol... no way they are trading Boucher...
It's called sell high for a reason man. Boucher isn't a kid


Boucher's short contract right now is very valuable (especially to a contender), little risk and all the upside. If we wait on trading Boucher, his next contract may not be as valuable as right now.
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Post#754 » by T-d0t » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:04 pm

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Glad you aren't raps gm, lol... no way they are trading Boucher...
It's called sell high for a reason man. Boucher isn't a kid


Boucher's short contract right now is very valuable (especially to a contender), little risk and all the upside. If we wait on trading Boucher, his next contract may not be as valuable as right now.
Exactly. He is also putting up some unsustainable numbers/percentages. Happy for him though
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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#755 » by bargs4mvp » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:13 pm

Move Lowry and Boucher ASAP. Start baynes. Not going to lie, we’re in a much better position then I ever imagined to snag a top pick in a season that doesn’t mean anything.


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Post#756 » by PrinceAli » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:15 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
T-d0t wrote:
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Glad you aren't raps gm, lol... no way they are trading Boucher...
It's called sell high for a reason man. Boucher isn't a kid


Boucher's short contract right now is very valuable (especially to a contender), little risk and all the upside. If we wait on trading Boucher, his next contract may not be as valuable as right now.

Bouchers value right now is as high as it’ll ever be. With the way his stock has risen I think we could get a first round pick from some team for him. If that’s on the table I hope we go for it
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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#757 » by Jetfire » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:18 pm

T-d0t wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
T-d0t wrote:It's called sell high for a reason man. Boucher isn't a kid


Boucher's short contract right now is very valuable (especially to a contender), little risk and all the upside. If we wait on trading Boucher, his next contract may not be as valuable as right now.
Exactly. He is also putting up some unsustainable numbers/percentages. Happy for him though


I don't think their outside the realm of near consistent production for him. He never received the minutes to deliver in the past. Also context is highly relevant, he's our defacto big so he will default to greater number of boards. He has also shown to be a consistent blocker. His shot has improved considerably, if he continues to develop defensively I think we could see a big turn around for him.

Like I said though I think this is highly contextual based on the current make up of our team at the moment.

If he tacks on some real dense muscle he could be something really awesome.

PrinceAli wrote:Bouchers value right now is as high as it’ll ever be. With the way his stock has risen I think we could get a first round pick from some team for him. If that’s on the table I hope we go for it


I have to disagree with this. He's shown immense grown in a year alone. You can't discount that for yet another prospect play. Raps also have an incredibly terrible track record at predicting talent growth.
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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#758 » by Tacoma » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:23 pm

Young_Buc wrote:
jimmy keys wrote:Who knows Bates might be a bust. I heard Durant comparisons, but I don't think he's on that level. The next top 5 guy was probably drafted in 2018. The one after that might be in this class, but you're getting way ahead of yourself. Lebron, Duncan, Shaq & Olajuwon were all unanimous 1st overall picks. Durant & Jordan would've been most years too. Curry & Kawhi defied the odds to become top 5 level players. It's the draft you don't know what's going to happen. All we know is that this one is much better than the last two and maybe the best in a decade for lotto picks.


Guys worth tanking for

Lebron
Zion

Guys we had no idea were generational superstars

Kawhi
Curry
Giannis
Luka

There's no science to this. Team situation, scouting and player development is EVERYTHING.

I trust our system in taking one of those 5 gems and turning them into who they need to be.


But there is a science to this - probability science. There are many out there, for example, here's one in which someone compared NBA Draft Pick # to probability of being an all star.

Based on NBA drafts since 1989, he found the 1st pick has the best chance to become an All-Star at some point of their career at 63% probability, followed by the #3 pick (57%) and #2 pick (40%). Generally, lottery picks had 26% chance, non-lottery (1st round) 7.8%, and 2nd round 2.5%. Chart copy below. It's not a perfect science as there are outliers but that's why it's called probability.

So if you believe Masai is a superior judge of talent to beat the odds, then it make even more sense to try and draft as high as possible to give him even better odds of finding that franchise star player.

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Re: Tank World Order 

Post#759 » by Psubs » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:32 pm

T-d0t wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:
T-d0t wrote:It's called sell high for a reason man. Boucher isn't a kid


Boucher's short contract right now is very valuable (especially to a contender), little risk and all the upside. If we wait on trading Boucher, his next contract may not be as valuable as right now.
Exactly. He is also putting up some unsustainable numbers/percentages. Happy for him though


He's an older Wood.
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Post#760 » by DelAbbot » Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:38 pm

Jetfire wrote:
T-d0t wrote:
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Boucher's short contract right now is very valuable (especially to a contender), little risk and all the upside. If we wait on trading Boucher, his next contract may not be as valuable as right now.
Exactly. He is also putting up some unsustainable numbers/percentages. Happy for him though


I don't think their outside the realm of near consistent production for him. He never received the minutes to deliver in the past. Also context is highly relevant, he's our defacto big so he will default to greater number of boards. He has also shown to be a consistent blocker. His shot has improved considerably, if he continues to develop defensively I think we could see a big turn around for him.

Like I said though I think this is highly contextual based on the current make up of our team at the moment.

If he tacks on some real dense muscle he could be something really awesome.

PrinceAli wrote:Bouchers value right now is as high as it’ll ever be. With the way his stock has risen I think we could get a first round pick from some team for him. If that’s on the table I hope we go for it


I have to disagree with this. He's shown immense grown in a year alone. You can't discount that for yet another prospect play. Raps also have an incredibly terrible track record at predicting talent growth.


One thing about Boucher is that, NN has put him in positions to succeed - i.e. in the right matchups and lineups (small). If NN always put Boucher to defend the likes of Joel Embiid, then he would have fouled out before putting up any stats.

In a sense, Boucher right now is kinda like a baseball equivalent of a Lefty Specialist pitcher (putting up dominating stats against lefty batters), and you want to maximize that asset's value by trading him to a team needing that role.

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