Steelo Green wrote:And for every Giannis and Kawhi there are 95% of the NBAs finals MVPs who are lottery picks.
NBA finals MVP? That's such a dumb trophy. It's at most a 7 game sample and usually less. Also how many of those picks were drafted by their team since the new CBA was developed (the one with max 5 year contracts so 2011)?
2020 Lebron - nope
2019 Kawhi - nope
2018 Durant - nope
2017 Durant - nope
2016 James - nope
2015 Iggy - nope
2014 Leonard - yup
2013 James - nope
2012 James - nope
2011 Dirk - yup
2 out 10.. that's a 20% success rate. Pretty crappy odds. And the Dirk one doesn't technically count since the CBA came in during the 2011-2012 season.. so really 1 out of 9.
I'll take Tolzman's pick at 15 and enjoy a bit of the playoffs as well.
lmao, you mock a seven game sample as insignificant but then proceed to give a 10 year sample as if that's any better
if you want a real sample you should at least go for 30-40......oh wait, that would go into jordan/duncan championships..which doesn't help your narrative
I went back that far because the point I'm making should be clear. I mean the CBA and player empowerment has changed the NBA landscape incredibly since 2011. You have to see that right?
Davis, Harden, Durant, Lebron, Butler, George (am I missing someone) all left and didn't win a chip with the team that drafted them (Lebron is a weird case, because he came back but that's rare/odd). So the teams that drafted them didn't get that FMP or MVP or best PER in a season, or whatever stat/trophy you want to use.
There will be exceptions like Kawhi and GIannis getting picked at 15 are exceptions. Curry and Dame stayed. Beal wants to stay. Hopefully Giannis and Murray continue to stay. But again these are not the norm.. they are the exception. Just like getting a stud in the 15th pick is an exception, not the norm.
If Doncic, Trae, Tatum, Giannis, Zion win a chip.. I doubt it will be with the team that drafted them. Probably a better chance it won't happen. So you draft a stud.. you better hope and pray they will stay. Or else the tank was for nothing.
History is long in the NBA but circumstances have changed a lot since MJ, Kobe or even Duncan were winning chips.