OT: Cavs looking to release/Trade Kevin Porter Jr

[God Squad]

Literally a zero percent chance Masai would’ve been interested considering we already are dealing with TD.

IMO Porter a better prospect than Davis. At least in terms of shot creation/seperation.

KP is a solid young talent, my point was rooted from optics and their current dealings with TD’s alleged domestic violence case they would not want another headache with similar legal issues

Oh, I get it. I just hate to see high-end talent go for nothing.

[Badonkadonk]

He was available to every team, apparently for as close to free as you can get (i.e. future protected 2nd).

That lottery, rebuilding, retooling and playoff teams all determined his market value to be so low should tell you everything you need to know.

By that logic, the fact only 1 team wanted to offer wood 3/42 this past offseason "should have told us everything we need to know."

That's a very odd comparison. Porter was available for free, Wood's contract was priced above the MLE strategically, so only teams with cap room above the exception could even bid or get in on sign-and-trades.

Very different "logic", you can't compare somebody who has no value with somebody who commanded more than guys like Ibaka on the open market

[Indeed]

Masai/Bobby couldn't have given up a future SECOND for this guy? C'mon. Would have been a better project than most players we have minus Bouche.

What second pick do we have that wasn't traded on the last few seasons?
And they may not want to get a replacement from us (cash + pick for him?). I wonder if we waived Len for this reason.

[raptor jesus]

Masai/Bobby couldn't have given up a future SECOND for this guy? C'mon. Would have been a better project than most players we have minus Bouche.

- Suspended at USC
- Sent home by Cleveland
- Weapons charge

The guy has some pretty evident off-court red flags. A key question is: is his on-court production/potential good enough to live with his off-court distractions? He's young, has some talent, but the same can be said for a lot of guys who didn't survive the league because they didn't have their heads on right, plus his numbers aren't super encouraging - so I'd pass on him as well. Given the FO's draft record, I'd rather keep that 2nd rounder.

[riff_raff]

The Cavs got him for a second round pick

[Psubs]

Masai/Bobby couldn't have given up a future SECOND for this guy? C'mon. Would have been a better project than most players we have minus Bouche.

- Suspended at USC
- Sent home by Cleveland
- Weapons charge

The guy has some pretty evident off-court red flags. A key question is: is his on-court production/potential good enough to live with his off-court distractions? He's young, has some talent, but the same can be said for a lot of guys who didn't survive the league because they didn't have their heads on right, plus his numbers aren't super encouraging - so I'd pass on him as well. Given the FO's draft record, I'd rather keep that 2nd rounder.

Houston will likely keep the 2nd rounder as well, with the protections, it won't convey.

[Raptaz]

Its tough, don't know exactly how he lived life before the NBA. Hopefully he will mature and accepts some help/guidance

[Tor_Raps]

He was available to every team, apparently for as close to free as you can get (i.e. future protected 2nd).

That lottery, rebuilding, retooling and playoff teams all determined his market value to be so low should tell you everything you need to know.

By that logic, the fact only 1 team wanted to offer wood 3/42 this past offseason "should have told us everything we need to know."

That's a very odd comparison. Porter was available for free, Wood's contract was priced above the MLE strategically, so only teams with cap room above the exception could even bid or get in on sign-and-trades.

Very different "logic", you can't compare somebody who has no value with somebody who commanded more than guys like Ibaka on the open market

Won't argue with you too much on this lol. Not the finest analogy but my point was that you cant say a player sucks because no one wanted him. My comparison to undrafted players made more sense. "Oh he must suck because no one drafted him." It's your job to find the diamond in the rough.

[Badonkadonk]

By that logic, the fact only 1 team wanted to offer wood 3/42 this past offseason "should have told us everything we need to know."

That's a very odd comparison. Porter was available for free, Wood's contract was priced above the MLE strategically, so only teams with cap room above the exception could even bid or get in on sign-and-trades.

Very different "logic", you can't compare somebody who has no value with somebody who commanded more than guys like Ibaka on the open market

Won't argue with you too much on this lol. Not the finest analogy but my point was that you cant say a player sucks because no one wanted him. My comparison to undrafted players made more sense. "Oh he must suck because no one drafted him." It's your job to find the diamond in the rough.

Yeah I agree with that last comment. I think the team has a pretty good track record of finding those gems, and I suppose ultimately my point is that in the case of Porter, I give them the benefit of the doubt that despite his talent, it wasn't worth the roster spot and investment in time.

Semi-related, but I'd love to see them give Paul Watson some extended run before another project, as he's been in the development system for a bit now and has shown a combination of things that I think we could really use on the wing (size, passable handle, rebounding, good shot, tough etc.).

[Tor_Raps]

25pts 3 Rebs 7 asts at the end of 3 quarters against the Jazz. Not saying he's destined for stardom but these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on.

[HeadtopChunes]

I am unreasonably upset about this. Getting a talented scoring prospect for free is not good enough apparently. We need "high character guys" that cannot score

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[tecumseh18]

25pts 3 Rebs 7 asts at the end of 3 quarters against the Jazz. Not saying he's destined for stardom but these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on.

FFS, how does Masai manage to miss out on so many great "buy low" opportunities, forcing Nurse give minutes to entitled prima donnas like Boucher, Norm, Fred or Davis. I soon might have to add SJ to that list.

Porter is a 2 who is shooting 20% from 3 this season. Let's not go down that road ... again.

[Tor_Raps]

25pts 3 Rebs 7 asts at the end of 3 quarters against the Jazz. Not saying he's destined for stardom but these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on.

FFS, how does Masai manage to miss out on so many great "buy low" opportunities, forcing Nurse give minutes to entitled prima donnas like Boucher, Norm, Fred or Davis. I soon might have to add SJ to that list.

Porter is a 2 who is shooting 20% from 3 this season. Let's not go down that road ... again.

Lol why do you have to go to the extreme? This board is hilarious that if you question anything our management does, it means that you hate them all together lol. I repeat, we have the best management in the game and I would not trade them for any other management.

And I hope you realize the stats you quoted are from ONE friggin game. Feel free to check his season stats after tonight's game, you might think he's an actual allstar lol.

[Oakville_Raptor]

I would love to have Kevin Porter, but it''s clear as day that no opposing GM's want to trade with Masai because of his history with screwing teams. It's kind of unfortunate...but oh well

[TD2FutureStar]

I would love to have Kevin Porter, but it''s clear as day that no opposing GM's want to trade with Masai because of his history with screwing teams. It's kind of unfortunate...but oh well

Exactly. Crazy to say but I dont think we see an in season trade with Masai at the helm for years. It's already been a few btw.

[bluerap23]

25pts 3 Rebs 7 asts at the end of 3 quarters against the Jazz. Not saying he's destined for stardom but these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on.

There are certain guys that will only get a second chance with teams that are completely in the tank. It isn't just the Raptors that passed on him. Also, no evidence that Cleveland was willing to trade him in conference.

BTW, did Houston win?

[Brinbe]

I would've loved porter Jr here. More skilled and accomplished version of TD.

But they're in full stasis evaluation mode. They're buying time. For what? Only the front office knows right now.

[YogurtProducer]

25pts 3 Rebs 7 asts at the end of 3 quarters against the Jazz. Not saying he's destined for stardom but these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on.

The guy shot 11/25. Context is key

[tecumseh18]

25pts 3 Rebs 7 asts at the end of 3 quarters against the Jazz. Not saying he's destined for stardom but these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on.

FFS, how does Masai manage to miss out on so many great "buy low" opportunities, forcing Nurse give minutes to entitled prima donnas like Boucher, Norm, Fred or Davis. I soon might have to add SJ to that list.

Porter is a 2 who is shooting 20% from 3 this season. Let's not go down that road ... again.

Lol why do you have to go to the extreme? This board is hilarious that if you question anything our management does, it means that you hate them all together lol. I repeat, we have the best management in the game and I would not trade them for any other management.

Your exact words were "these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on". There is a strong implication there that the Raps have failed to take advantage of such buy low opportunities in the past. I was simply - but yes, sarcastically - noting that our entire fricken' team, including the coach, represents management taking advantage of buy-low opportunities.

Given the general reluctance of US athletes to come north of the border, we have to pick our spots. This trade for Houston's heavily protected second could have been consumated, although Raps only have one 2nd round pick available in the next few seasons. Perhaps Masai wants to save it for use in a bigger deal.

And I hope you realize the stats you quoted are from ONE friggin game. Feel free to check his season stats after tonight's game, you might think he's an actual allstar lol.

Actually, I didn't realize this was his first game this season. After last night he's down to 14.3% from 3 for the two games. Including last season, he's averaging 32%. But, unlike Norm, he seems to be able to pass and (maybe) rebound the ball. Interesting prospect, being given the green light by a going nowhere franchise.

[PhilBlackson]

25pts 3 Rebs 7 asts at the end of 3 quarters against the Jazz. Not saying he's destined for stardom but these are the type of buy lows that I wish we'd take chances on.

The guy shot 11/25. Context is key

In his first game or so against arguably the league's best defense or you saying good players never have numbers like that?!?

I can understand making that kinda comment if he had a full season (particularly on a good team) and this was pretty much his norm but it obviously isn't and context also applies to the level of competition. Powell shot 7 of 17 and Lowry 5 of 18 against BOS which is an even lower percentage and these guys are the ones supposedlycarrying us, does this "context" mean they're garbage or overrated or maybe what you're trying to imply is fairly meaningless and it's not the case for anyone being mentioned.

All you have to do is actually WATCH KP Jr and it's obvious he's a very talented young player. Not lighting up the league's best defense in your first game doesn't somehow kill that notion.