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It’s truly futile arguing anything with blue pill sheep. Ideology is for the weak minded, those people don’t like being challenged let them enjoy their delusions

Lol

You don’t miss a post on here do you

Nope. You seem to have missed a whole bunch though.

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How was America founded on the right of individuals to rule their own lives if the founding fathers owned slaves to whom they allowed no rights and the country spent hundreds of years denying certain people basic human rights? I don’t know what’s worse; the fact that there are still people that repeat blatant lies like this in 2021 or that there are people who still take such statements at face value because they themselves don’t count slaves as “individuals” (or humans with rights) which was the same thing that the founding fathers did. Disappointed but not surprised.

This is all true, but misleading. The proper context for Slavery in America is to know that Slavery existed as a practice from the beginning of recorded human history wherever humans were.

In that proper context, what makes America and western civilization unique is that it saw the practice as wrong and fought to end it. The British went so far as to have it's own ships patrolling the coasts of Africa to stop the trade at great expense.

But again, Leftist ideology will not tell you the whole story because it is necessary to attack what this society is, to replace it with them as unquestioned rulers with total power.

This is very easy to spot as well. The way you go about destroying a free society is one, you start reducing freedoms bit by bit. More regulations, controls, laws and higher taxes means more control for the state and less for the individual.

The second part, involves destroying what is crucial for freedom. A few people must be able to control themselves or else someone must come in to control them. That is precisely why the left is so pro criminal.

That is why they will advocate for 'treatment' when they know full well there is no cure for crime, mental illness or a crisis. Destroying the moral foundation that keeps a society civil is crucial to suspend and take away freedom.

This is not new or unique either. This is the foundation for leftist thought. How can they be in control, instead of the individual. They are the talented few and as such, you do as you are told, while they are free to do as they want.

Translation for those reading the above:

You’re right America was founded on a falsehood, but that’s misleading because black people not being regarded as humans with rights was normal back then in western society so in the “context” of the era the statement is true. Also,western society didn’t start slavery, it’s always been a thing and they stopped the slave trade eventually out of the goodness of their hearts unlike other slaveowners in history so give em props.

Smh.

Slavery was normal. What makes you think only black people were slaves? People enslaved those around them for must of human history. Absolutely, technology made it possible to enslave different groups and send them across the world. It's just strange to me that some only want to look at part of history. The reality is Western civilization and the fundamental belief in the rights of the individual is what put an end to Slavery. Leftism is Slavery. So it's the last thing anyone who's against slavery would support.

There's no difference between working for the state, and bureaucrats will decide what you need to survive and what we commonly think of as Slavery.

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How was America founded on the right of individuals to rule their own lives if the founding fathers owned slaves to whom they allowed no rights and the country spent hundreds of years denying certain people basic human rights? I don’t know what’s worse; the fact that there are still people that repeat blatant lies like this in 2021 or that there are people who still take such statements at face value because they themselves don’t count slaves as “individuals” (or humans with rights) which was the same thing that the founding fathers did. Disappointed but not surprised.

This is all true, but misleading. The proper context for Slavery in America is to know that Slavery existed as a practice from the beginning of recorded human history wherever humans were.

In that proper context, what makes America and western civilization unique is that it saw the practice as wrong and fought to end it. The British went so far as to have it's own ships patrolling the coasts of Africa to stop the trade at great expense.

But again, Leftist ideology will not tell you the whole story because it is necessary to attack what this society is, to replace it with them as unquestioned rulers with total power.

This is very easy to spot as well. The way you go about destroying a free society is one, you start reducing freedoms bit by bit. More regulations, controls, laws and higher taxes means more control for the state and less for the individual.

The second part, involves destroying what is crucial for freedom. A few people must be able to control themselves or else someone must come in to control them. That is precisely why the left is so pro criminal.

That is why they will advocate for 'treatment' when they know full well there is no cure for crime, mental illness or a crisis. Destroying the moral foundation that keeps a society civil is crucial to suspend and take away freedom.

This is not new or unique either. This is the foundation for leftist thought. How can they be in control, instead of the individual. They are the talented few and as such, you do as you are told, while they are free to do as they want.

I really don't want to argue with you. I'll just point out, the first instance of banning slavery in history was done close to 2500 years ago by Cyrus the Great when the Persian Empire was created.

Another thing for you, if you really care to understand, is that while the overtly oppressive modern regimes fall under openly authoritarian governments, the most conformist and conformed population is the one that has been selling itself as the bastion of individual right and freedom.

But like I said, I don't want to argue. If you really care go and see why American 'individuality' was recognized to be the most dangerous condition for actual individual autonomy over 200 years ago. And it didn't end there. Over and over 'Americanism' and the American social system has been identified as something that continuously takes away a person's capacity for thinking. You talk about freedoms being taken away bit by bit, but freedom in terms of objects and choice to 'busy' yourself with is what you're talking about, while what makes you a person, the ability to be able to see and interpret and think for yourself is constantly being denied you. What you're thinking is so great is basically keeping people as dumb as infants while throwing toys in front of them and telling them getting to play is what freedom is all about. From sociology/anthropology to psychology, individual to group and social, the American individualism model has been found to produce and demand conformity down to the bones. But I have a feeling you'll think all that research and writing is 'leftist' non sense.

There has absolutely been a long history of dislike for the American model. I agree with you on that. But I complete disagree with your conclusions. Look at what leftists are doing now. You do not have a right to disagree anymore.

The wrong speech means you can be punished professionally and in some cases criminally. In America your have a right to do as you wish, except deny freedom to others, and that's precisely why leftists hate America. They have big plans, big dreams and need the power of the state to implement it.

So they attack America in any way they can. I'm not interested in being told what to do at every turn because they claim it will make a better world.

Nope, not interested. And as history has shown time and time again, they simply lack the knowledge and morality to even do what they say anyways. Most of it is fantasy meant to scam people with no basis in actual economic reality.

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Bottom line, you either support a world where other people who claim they know better and will tell you what to do, or a world where you are free to make your own way.

The history of third party decision making by people who often pay no price for being wrong has been disastrous and deadly.

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