Freddie Gillespie Highlights

[Indeed]

Theis is not a bad option but at that point maybe Birch isn't either if they feel they can really develop his 3 point shooting. But passing is a pretty big concern for me if we are going with these 4 as our core. This is why I think Nurse has this infatuation with McCaw,Bembry types. If you got a guy pretty much a cross between Yuta and Bembry but more proven with a little more girth that is the ideal guy to me. That is actually Ben Simmons with a 3 so not easy to find/doesn't exist. lol.

Theis is a good option. Realistic and does much of what we need. It would be nice to have at least one banger on the roster with real size. Even Boston went out and got TT because they felt Theis wasn't big enough.

A 7 footer that plays defence, shoots and passes -that's basically Embiid, so maybe not so realistic.

Try to draft Queta.

Anyone we draft won't be a starter, so I think we will still need to look at FA.
I think we should avoid over loading the C spot, since they are more or less a specialist these days.

[bluerap23]

Theis is a good option. Realistic and does much of what we need. It would be nice to have at least one banger on the roster with real size. Even Boston went out and got TT because they felt Theis wasn't big enough.

A 7 footer that plays defence, shoots and passes -that's basically Embiid, so maybe not so realistic.

Try to draft Queta.

Anyone we draft won't be a starter, so I think we will still need to look at FA.
I think we should avoid over loading the C spot, since they are more or less a specialist these days.

Based on draft position I'm hoping for Mitchell. He will be an instant contributor as a bench scorer. We really shouldn't have any issue finding a Centre with MLE type money.

[Psubs]

Theis is a good option. Realistic and does much of what we need. It would be nice to have at least one banger on the roster with real size. Even Boston went out and got TT because they felt Theis wasn't big enough.

A 7 footer that plays defence, shoots and passes -that's basically Embiid, so maybe not so realistic.

Try to draft Queta.

Anyone we draft won't be a starter, so I think we will still need to look at FA.
I think we should avoid over loading the C spot, since they are more or less a specialist these days.

Lowered expectations, but

2020
#12 Tyrese Haliburton

2019 ( I guess no stars in this range)
#9 Rui Hachimura
#11 Cameron Johnson
#12 PJ Washington
#13 Tyler Herro

2018
#11 Shai Gilgious-Alexander
#14 Michael Porter Jr

2017
#13 Donovan Mitchell
#14 Bam Adebayo

2016
#11 Domantas Sabonis

Due to the high number of elite (though no Lebron's or Zion's) prospects in the top 5, I see the #8-15 range should have a couple of players like the 2017 and 2018 draft. Just gotta scout well.

[tecumseh18]

Theis is not a bad option but at that point maybe Birch isn't either if they feel they can really develop his 3 point shooting. But passing is a pretty big concern for me if we are going with these 4 as our core. This is why I think Nurse has this infatuation with McCaw,Bembry types. If you got a guy pretty much a cross between Yuta and Bembry but more proven with a little more girth that is the ideal guy to me. That is actually Ben Simmons with a 3 so not easy to find/doesn't exist. lol.

Theis is a good option. Realistic and does much of what we need. It would be nice to have at least one banger on the roster with real size. Even Boston went out and got TT because they felt Theis wasn't big enough.

A 7 footer that plays defence, shoots and passes -that's basically Embiid, so maybe not so realistic.

Try to draft Queta.

Fine, but we still gotta win games next season.

[kanahda ballz]

He reminds me a little of Chris Bosh in the face and the hair....but different body type and playing style of course.

His game reminds me of Richuan Holmes - 6'8" - 6'9" athletic hustling big, who is active under the rim with shot blocking, rebounding and dunking.

Would not be surprised to see him on the end of some alley-oops once he gets used to playing with the PGs (most likely with Flynn).

[Indeed]

Try to draft Queta.

Anyone we draft won't be a starter, so I think we will still need to look at FA.
I think we should avoid over loading the C spot, since they are more or less a specialist these days.

Lowered expectations, but

2020
#12 Tyrese Haliburton

2019 ( I guess no stars in this range)
#9 Rui Hachimura
#11 Cameron Johnson
#12 PJ Washington
#13 Tyler Herro

2018
#11 Shai Gilgious-Alexander
#14 Michael Porter Jr

2017
#13 Donovan Mitchell
#14 Bam Adebayo

2016
#11 Domantas Sabonis

Due to the high number of elite (though no Lebron's or Zion's) prospects in the top 5, I see the #8-15 range should have a couple of players like the 2017 and 2018 draft. Just gotta scout well.

Maybe more like the 2012 draft, perhaps deeper this year:
Anthony Davis
MKG
Beal
Waiters
Robinson
Lillard
Barnes
Ross
Drummond
Rivers
Leonard
Lamb
Marshall
Henson
Harkless

[alienchild]

I'm happy with Birch as our back up C and Freddie as our 3rd. Boucher should be backing up Pascal and OG. Just need a starting C.

Fred/Flynn/Harris
Trent/Bembry
OG/Watson/Yuta
Pascal/Boucher
Starter/Birch/Freddie

Our bench could use more scoring though.

If the 1st pick isn't Mobley, I say they bring in Olynyk. He shoots the 3, passes well, is taller then 6'10 (though isn't a great rebounder due to wingspan). He's a good complement to the bruisers.

I would be cool giving Birch the BAE for 2 years guaranteed like Stanley. Freddie can have a 2 year deal like Matt Thomas, same for Yuta.

Likely the player drafted is a SG or SF so Bembry is a luxury to be brought back if he'll play for the min for 1 year. Bring back Watson as he can shoot the 3 and be like a cheap Tony Snell off the bench.

I really want Mobley. I don’t think there’s any way we get up there to get him, but he just seems like a missing piece to the rest of the roster. I still have Cunningham and Green ahead of him, but he’s a great fit. Unfortunately I don’t think we’re going to be picking that high without some serious luck.

Olynyk also feels like a very realistic, logical MLE guy. Your lineup for next year feels close too:

Fred/Flynn/Harris
Trent/Bembry
OG/Watson/Yuta
Pascal/Boucher
Starter/Birch/Freddie

Plus:
FRP and 2 SRPs
Lowry or players from Lowry S&T
Probably Olynyk with the MLE

That might well be a contender, honestly, depending on the FRP and the Lowry resolution.

Let’s play hypothetical:
Fred / Flynn
Trent / Herro / Bembry / Harris
OG / Iguodala / Watson / Yuta
Pascal / Boucher
Olynyk / Mobley / Birch / Freddie

Mobley is the next Wiseman.

[Psubs]

Mobley is the next Wiseman.

He's quicker than Wiseman, though perhaps bigs are now viewed as running backs in the NFL?

You still need them and they're important but get injured and are more easily replaceable.

Not since Duncan in 2005 has a C (counting Dirk as a PF) or Shaq has a big man been the finals MVP.

This might be a position that management is taking because of slapping together Baynes and Len like MLB relievers on the Blue Jays.

[Indeed]

Mobley is the next Wiseman.

He's quicker than Wiseman, though perhaps bigs are now viewed as running backs in the NFL?

You still need them and they're important but get injured and are more easily replaceable.

Not since Duncan in 2005 has a C (counting Dirk as a PF) or Shaq has a big man been the finals MVP.

This might be a position that management is taking because of slapping together Baynes and Len like MLB relievers on the Blue Jays.

I believe Duncan was PF on offense in 2005, playing like Malone to hit those mid-long range jumpers.

[niQ]

Anyone we draft won't be a starter, so I think we will still need to look at FA.
I think we should avoid over loading the C spot, since they are more or less a specialist these days.

Lowered expectations, but

2020
#12 Tyrese Haliburton

2019 ( I guess no stars in this range)
#9 Rui Hachimura
#11 Cameron Johnson
#12 PJ Washington
#13 Tyler Herro

2018
#11 Shai Gilgious-Alexander
#14 Michael Porter Jr

2017
#13 Donovan Mitchell
#14 Bam Adebayo

2016
#11 Domantas Sabonis

Due to the high number of elite (though no Lebron's or Zion's) prospects in the top 5, I see the #8-15 range should have a couple of players like the 2017 and 2018 draft. Just gotta scout well.

Maybe more like the 2012 draft, perhaps deeper this year:
Anthony Davis
MKG
Beal
Waiters
Robinson
Lillard
Barnes
Ross
Drummond
Rivers
Leonard
Lamb
Marshall
Henson
Harkless

Ah 2012. Year of the Coin Toss.

[Psubs]

Theis is a good option. Realistic and does much of what we need. It would be nice to have at least one banger on the roster with real size. Even Boston went out and got TT because they felt Theis wasn't big enough.

A 7 footer that plays defence, shoots and passes -that's basically Embiid, so maybe not so realistic.

Try to draft Queta.

Fine, but we still gotta win games next season.

Maybe squeak into the playoffs and then draft AJ Griffin, Caleb Houstan or Benedict Mathurin (if he stays for his sophomore year).

[Indeed]

Lowered expectations, but

2020
#12 Tyrese Haliburton

2019 ( I guess no stars in this range)
#9 Rui Hachimura
#11 Cameron Johnson
#12 PJ Washington
#13 Tyler Herro

2018
#11 Shai Gilgious-Alexander
#14 Michael Porter Jr

2017
#13 Donovan Mitchell
#14 Bam Adebayo

2016
#11 Domantas Sabonis

Due to the high number of elite (though no Lebron's or Zion's) prospects in the top 5, I see the #8-15 range should have a couple of players like the 2017 and 2018 draft. Just gotta scout well.

Maybe more like the 2012 draft, perhaps deeper this year:
Anthony Davis
MKG
Beal
Waiters
Robinson
Lillard
Barnes
Ross
Drummond
Rivers
Leonard
Lamb
Marshall
Henson
Harkless

Ah 2012. Year of the Coin Toss.

I wish we drafed Barnes to fill that SF needs, but ending up with Ibaka isn't the end of the world, I guess.

[niQ]

Maybe more like the 2012 draft, perhaps deeper this year:
Anthony Davis
MKG
Beal
Waiters
Robinson
Lillard
Barnes
Ross
Drummond
Rivers
Leonard
Lamb
Marshall
Henson
Harkless

Ah 2012. Year of the Coin Toss.

I wish we drafed Barnes to fill that SF needs, but ending up with Ibaka isn't the end of the world, I guess.

Same. But alas, we got Ben Uzoh'd. But even losing out on that coin toss, I still think we should've went with Drummond. Ah wells, everything worked out in the end and now we have championship.

[Dalek]

Lowered expectations, but

2020
#12 Tyrese Haliburton

2019 ( I guess no stars in this range)
#9 Rui Hachimura
#11 Cameron Johnson
#12 PJ Washington
#13 Tyler Herro

2018
#11 Shai Gilgious-Alexander
#14 Michael Porter Jr

2017
#13 Donovan Mitchell
#14 Bam Adebayo

2016
#11 Domantas Sabonis

Due to the high number of elite (though no Lebron's or Zion's) prospects in the top 5, I see the #8-15 range should have a couple of players like the 2017 and 2018 draft. Just gotta scout well.

Maybe more like the 2012 draft, perhaps deeper this year:
Anthony Davis
MKG
Beal
Waiters
Robinson
Lillard
Barnes
Ross
Drummond
Rivers
Leonard
Lamb
Marshall
Henson
Harkless

2012. Year of the Coin Toss.

We can't beat ourselves up over 2012. We shouldn't have been in reach of any of the good talent. It was just that GMs made some bad choices. MKG went second, Waiters fourth and Thomas Robinson went before Lillard. All of those GMs made huge mistakes. Everyone knew MKG had an uncorrectable shot, Waiters had too much ego to be good, and Thomas Robinson was a robotic tweener.

Drummond should have went higher given his freakish size/athletic profile, while Lillard and Barnes should have been higher given their production level in college. Lillard was lesser know but he played at the combine if I remember correctly and had a huge amount of draft hype at the time.

Kawhi Leonard's draft stock also got elevated during the combine when they measured his freakish hands. Not sure why people doubted his shot more than MKG's to this day but that is part of the reason he dropped. I really liked him at the time.

Spoiler:

Kawhi Leonard is going to be a great fit with this team, if he gets drafted. He seems serious, has an NBA body, above average defense and rebounding, and is only turning 20 at the end of this month. He's a guy that just seems like an easy plug and play guy for the Raps. You know, he reminds me a bit of Andre Iguodala when he came into the league.

The only wild card that could unseat him is Tobias Harris. I don't know a huge amount about him, but he is a better shooter and is younger than all the other SFs in this draft at 18. Jim Kelly went wild about him being the guy raising up on the draft boards so I think Harris may be a real possibility. It would be the equivalent of the Charllie V pick from 2005 that through everyone for loop.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1113456&p=28354788&hilit=leonard#p28354788

[bluerap23]

Ah 2012. Year of the Coin Toss.

I wish we drafed Barnes to fill that SF needs, but ending up with Ibaka isn't the end of the world, I guess.

Same. But alas, we got Ben Uzoh'd. But even losing out on that coin toss, I still think we should've went with Drummond. Ah wells, everything worked out in the end and now we have championship.

Our front office were the only people on earth that would have passed on Drummond for TRoss. I think they would have taken Dame and were expecting him to be available earlier in the process.

[Dalek]

Maybe more like the 2012 draft, perhaps deeper this year:
Anthony Davis
MKG
Beal
Waiters
Robinson
Lillard
Barnes
Ross
Drummond
Rivers
Leonard
Lamb
Marshall
Henson
Harkless

2012. Year of the Coin Toss.

We can't beat ourselves up over 2012. We shouldn't have been in reach of any of the good talent. It was just that GMs made some bad choices. MKG went second, Waiters fourth and Thomas Robinson went before Lillard. All of those GMs made huge mistakes. Everyone knew MKG had an uncorrectable shot, Waiters had too much ego to be good, and Thomas Robinson was a robotic tweener.

Drummond should have went higher given his freakish size/athletic profile, while Lillard and Barnes should have been higher given their production level in college. Lillard was lesser know but he played at the combine if I remember correctly and had a huge amount of draft hype at the time.

Kawhi Leonard's draft stock also got elevated during the combine when they measured his freakish hands. Not sure why people doubted his shot more than MKG's to this day but that is part of the reason he dropped. I really liked him at the time.

Spoiler:

Kawhi Leonard is going to be a great fit with this team, if he gets drafted. He seems serious, has an NBA body, above average defense and rebounding, and is only turning 20 at the end of this month. He's a guy that just seems like an easy plug and play guy for the Raps. You know, he reminds me a bit of Andre Iguodala when he came into the league.

The only wild card that could unseat him is Tobias Harris. I don't know a huge amount about him, but he is a better shooter and is younger than all the other SFs in this draft at 18. Jim Kelly went wild about him being the guy raising up on the draft boards so I think Harris may be a real possibility. It would be the equivalent of the Charllie V pick from 2005 that through everyone for loop.

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1113456&p=28354788&hilit=leonard#p28354788

Oof, I got confused by the first list. I thought that read as Kawhi Leonard not Myers Leonard.

[Indeed]

I wish we drafed Barnes to fill that SF needs, but ending up with Ibaka isn't the end of the world, I guess.

Same. But alas, we got Ben Uzoh'd. But even losing out on that coin toss, I still think we should've went with Drummond. Ah wells, everything worked out in the end and now we have championship.

Our front office were the only people on earth that would have passed on Drummond for TRoss. I think they would have taken Dame and were expecting him to be available earlier in the process.

I thought Ross was Casey's pick.

[TOStateofMind]

On court aside his postgame interview was a really good listen, very likeable.

[tecumseh18]

Same. But alas, we got Ben Uzoh'd. But even losing out on that coin toss, I still think we should've went with Drummond. Ah wells, everything worked out in the end and now we have championship.

Our front office were the only people on earth that would have passed on Drummond for TRoss. I think they would have taken Dame and were expecting him to be available earlier in the process.

I thought Ross was Casey's pick.

Yeah, I just read that, and that Colangelo wanted Drummond (although that sounds like after-the-fact propaganda).

When he slipped, I wanted Drummond simply because he was more obviously tradeable than any other alternative (Lamb, Rivers - never ever heard of T-Ross). If we had picked Drummond, we might have been able to to trade him to OKC for Harden. I heard that JV could have gotten it done, but the consensus at the time was that Drummond was better. OKC was obviously looking for a dreadnought C, and ended up drafting the big Kiwi (with our draft pick) the following year.

[bluerap23]

Our front office were the only people on earth that would have passed on Drummond for TRoss. I think they would have taken Dame and were expecting him to be available earlier in the process.

I thought Ross was Casey's pick.

Yeah, I just read that, and that Colangelo wanted Drummond (although that sounds like after-the-fact propaganda).

When he slipped, I wanted Drummond simply because he was more obviously tradeable than any other alternative (Lamb, Rivers - never ever heard of T-Ross). If we had picked Drummond, we might have been able to to trade him to OKC for Harden. I heard that JV could have gotten it done, but the consensus at the time was that Drummond was better. OKC was obviously looking for a dreadnought C, and ended up drafting the big Kiwi (with our draft pick) the following year.

That was definitely the narrative. I don't know what is worse for BC. Not picking the guy you think or allowing your coach to pick? There is no way Masai is letting NN make a pick of that magnitude.