Does the "success" of the Knicks and Heat change anything?

[UnderdogRaptors]

Knicks will be back to reality next year lol

[TorontoRapsFan]

Think about it, Durant, Kyrie and Harden all decided to congregate in Brooklyn, because of that market. The Nets long history of failure sure didn't dissuade them.

The Raps have the exact same challenges they've always had, the 'chip didn't change that (Kawhi still wanted to go to LA), the Heat's fluky playoff run didn't change that, and the Knicks being the "4th best team in the EC" (lol) doesn't change that.

The Nets' case is not really about an outside appeal like the Heat or the Knicks. The nets got lucky bagging Kyrie. And then they got super lucky that Durant was going through whatever at GS and Kyrie, being looked at as a superstar around the league, got them Durant. And Harden going to play there has absolutely nothing to do with the team as an organization or the city.

The Nets did not get "really lucky", outside of having to be located in Brooklyn. Those dominoes, starting with Kyrie, all happened specifically because of the market.

Kyrie doesn't randomly decide to go to Indiana or back to Cleveland and try to attract other FAs for a reason.

Why didn't anyone go to Brooklyn for the 7 years before then? Why hasn't anyone gone to the Knicks? It's not the way you make it sound. Kyrie wanted to something specific. The Nets just happened to be there. And him going to the Nets had so much more to do with the Knicks being what they have been for the last 20 years than the Nets being something. Btw Irving grew up in New Jersey. Where the Nets used to play.

[OakleyDokely]

New York's and Miami's future largely rest on their ability to land star FAs because neither has a title contending core or a top young player on the verge of superstardom.

[Chandan]

The Nets' case is not really about an outside appeal like the Heat or the Knicks. The nets got lucky bagging Kyrie. And then they got super lucky that Durant was going through whatever at GS and Kyrie, being looked at as a superstar around the league, got them Durant. And Harden going to play there has absolutely nothing to do with the team as an organization or the city.

The Nets did not get "really lucky", outside of having to be located in Brooklyn. Those dominoes, starting with Kyrie, all happened specifically because of the market.

Kyrie doesn't randomly decide to go to Indiana or back to Cleveland and try to attract other FAs for a reason.

Why didn't anyone go to Brooklyn for the 7 years before then? Why hasn't anyone gone to the Knicks? It's not the way you make it sound. Kyrie wanted to something specific. The Nets just happened to be there. And him going to the Nets had so much more to do with the Knicks being what they have been for the last 20 years than the Nets being something. Btw Irving grew up in New Jersey. Where the Nets used to play.

That was the result of bad management with the Russian owner Proharov?
Back then they had Jason kidd and pried Vince Carter from us. They were quite the buzz for a while. Brooklyn had always been a huge market with deep franchise history.

[ruckus]

While I agree that some focus should be put on reacting and pivoting to what other teams in the league do, the past 10-15 years or so should be proof enough that things in the NBA don't always go according to plan. Look at some of the so-called superteams that have assembled during that time and how underwhelming it looks in hindsight. The Heatles only stayed together for 4 seasons and I guess followed through on their "not 5, not 6, not 7" proclamation. As dominant as the Warriors appeared to be, they only won 3 championships for their troubles. The Celtics for all the draft picks they accumulated haven't yet been to the finals. The Sixers, for how long The Process took, have more memes than success at this point.

If Masai took his ball and ran home every time the Raps got swept or another competitor picked up a high draft pick or stole a marquee free agent, we would have never been in the position to trade for Kawhi.

So yes, while the transformations of the Knicks and the Nets should be given some consideration by our front office, it shouldn't materially change any plan of action they have in place.

[C Court]

We got this ring + solid young core + 2021 lottery pick + Masai/Bobby/Nick. I like us!

[OakleyDokely]

You really can't worry about other teams around you are doing. Injuries happen and superteams fail for numerous reasons. Teams like DAL, TOR, SA were able to win championships last decade despite not being "superteams". They were built organically, got some luck and won a title.

[OakleyDokely]

There isn't one franchise out there currently that looks like they will dominate the league over the next five years or so.

All the current contenders have older cores with a 2-3 year window max with the exception of Utah, Denver, Philadelphia and those three teams aren't unbeatable superteams.

The one team who could really cause trouble is the Mavs if they can land another star but as of right now they look like a pretender.

Right now is one of the few periods in NBA history not dominated by a superteam or two. That could all change within one offseason but with most contenders maxed out and many without draft capital, we might not see another superteam for a few years.

That's why I'm surprised the contenders weren't more aggressive at the deadline. The title is wide open this year.

[Dennis 37]

Knicks are the feel good story of this season....everyone loves rooting for the underdogs, similar to the Nets before they got Kyrie, KD, Harden. But just like the Nets if the Knicks start experiencing an abundance of success they will start getting hated on.

Heat are going to finish the season a couple games above .500 and will very likely be a 1st round exit....that's not exactly something special. Heat had their feel good story last season and now it's over.....the Raptors had their feel good story the last 2 seasons but now it's over. Things change fast in the NBA

Not quite. If the Knicks continue to develop their own picks and maybe sign tier 2 FAs, then people will appreciate them regardless. If they sign one or two max free agents, then no, there's nothing to appreciate. I don't appreciate teams which buy their success.

[Ackshun]

Knicks will be back to reality next year lol

Yeah this. Knicks aren't allowed to have nice things.

Dont know if Leon Rose can undo the dysfunctional ways on this organization. At least not this quickly.

[scirocco53]

Miami does not move the needle at all for me, and I don't really see them so "improved". I am happy to see the Knicks improved. Having another team in the east that stars want to go isn't a bad thing. They aren't picking Toronto. Even if Siakam, OG, and Fred develop into the next Steph, Klay, and Draymond, a player like Durant does not come here. It's simple reality.

I am never going to find myself cheering for a super team. Organic growth like Golden State (pre Durant), and OKC prior is ideal. I want Portland, Denver, Phoenix or Utah succeed, rather than watch either LA team make it to the finals. I am so over Superstars stacking teams, leaving non-destination teams with no choice but to give out max contracts to their non superstar players.