Tofubeque wrote:kalel123 wrote:OakleyDokely wrote:Vince is going to the hall of fame and he will be mostly remembered as a Raptor, which is why there will be a strong push to retire his number. If Vince went on to win a title in NJ, the narrative changes, but he spent the rest of his career as a journeyman with no real connection to another city.
The problem is what did he actually do for the Raptors that's worthy of jersey retirement? All of the good he did for the Raptors, peaking at dunk contest and second round exit, don't really amount to much when all's said and done and all of it's cancelled out by the bad even if you believe the revisionist history. What happened still happened.
Dominique Wilkins peaked at the dunk contest and 2nd round exits, there was zero question the Hawks would retire his jersey. Granted he had a longer tenure than Vince, but cultural impact matters. They've also retired Maravich and Mutombo's jerseys after only 4-5 year stints with them, and that's 2 of the 5 player numbers retired from 50+ years in Atlanta.A lot of other stuff people say he did, even if you agree with them (and I don't), is actually an argument for him to be considered for Canadian Basketball Hall of Fame but not for his jersey to be retired as a Raptor because those things mean nothing to this team.
Also the biggest thing with him going to HOF will be that he fizzled out as a journey man then lasted as long as he did with so many other teams. So again, that's not really Raptors related.
Just because we have shorter history than most teams in the league doesn't mean we should retire just anyone's jersey.
Canadian Basketball means nothing to the Raptors? Look, I get thinking the red and white "Canada's team" branding ushered in during Colangelo's time is tacky, but our head coach is the head coach of Canada Basketball for a reason. We've had several Canadians develop on the team just in the past couple years, and it's probably only a matter of time before one of the several Canadian stars in the league, directly influenced by Vince, ends up in a Raptors jersey.
Anyway nobody is saying we should retire "just anyone's" jersey. IMO it should be Lowry, then Vince, then that's it.
So just because another team does something, we should just blindly follow? Besides, Wilkins played almost his entire career except the tail end with Hakws and was simply better than Vince Carter throughout his playing days. Mutombo also was named Defensive Player of the year 3 or 4 times with the Hawks alone. And none of 'em quit on his way out.
I don't believe in this influence Vince Carter supposedly had on Canadian basketball but even if one were to believe it, what has that exactly done for the Raptors? NOTHING. The fans he brought in all left once he quit and made this team a laughing stock. The fans that are still here would've been here regardless because Raptors play in Toronto, Canada not because Vince Carter once played here. Most of the casual fans today are here because of Raptors recent playoff success. Again, nothing to do with Vince Carter.
We've had several Canadians develop on the team just in the past couple of years because Raptors play in Canada, nothing to do with Vince Carter. We have Nick Nurse also coaching Team Canada because Raptors play in Canada and he helped us win a championship, which again has nothing to do with Vince Carter. None of the Canadian stars being drafted from here on out will not have been directly influenced by Vince Carter because they would've been born on the tail end of Carter's tenure here and wouldn't even remember seeing him live in Raptors jersey. And as things currently stand, none of the Canadian stars currently in the league are anywhere near coming here and even if they come, it'll be because Raptors are in Canada not because of anything to do with Vince Carter. Which is why the supposed cultural impact means nothing to the Raptors. And even if they did, him quitting also happened and that and its impact on the team is real and that cancels out any good that he supposedly did.