Gary Trent Jr. is a scrub. Change my view.

[sca]

https://go.nba.com/7wc7

What exactly does this guy do well?

Score efficiently? No, his career TS% (.546) has been lower than the league’s overall TS% (.569) in his career years.

Pass the ball? He had the second lowest AST ratio among guards that have averaged 25+ MPG, after Kelly Oubre Jr:

https://go.nba.com/8axh

Rebound the ball? t-4th worst REB% among guards that have averaged 25+ MPG last year:

https://go.nba.com/pqd5

Defend? I don’t think anyone will mistake him for a good defender. He also has -1.7 career DPM.

Make his team better overall? He’s a -2 BPM*, .058 WS/48**, -3.4 relative +/-* guy throughout his career.

So what exactly makes him part of the core and deserving of a 10M+/yr contract? I know that he’s young and can make me eat crow in the future, but it irks me whenever he’s talked as a potential star player. Nothing about his short career has been indicative that he can even become an average starter, IMO.

Anyway, maybe I’m judging him wrong and he can become an OK guy with some developmemt and a a full training camp with the team. That’s why I’m asking you to change my view on him. Is he any good? Does he have Norm-like potential? Where do you see him in five years?

* league average is 0
** league average is .100

[6ixpessant]

You're completely wrong about him.

Advanced stats shouldn't be allowed for fans.

[DelAbbot]

GTJ is a bum at any contract above 15M

[sca]

You're completely wrong about him.

Advanced stats shouldn't be allowed for fans.

What a compelling argument.

[AbC?]

He’s on a role player trajectory, a lot like Tim Hardaway Jr. Doesn’t have the tools to be a star.

I’d pay him max 14 mill AAV and that’s already a premium. Wouldn’t surprise me if he got more because of his age.

[PhilBlackson]

I look forward to this board flip flopping back on board by mid season lol

[NotMyKawhi]

He could become a bad contract if you give him 15 or more.

I just see FVV, Suggs and OG getting most of the minutes in the backcourt. And if we don't draft suggs we prolly resign lowry


I'll give him 10 million tho

[Kingsway_fan]

Hope we can package him for an upgrade

[sca]

He’s on a role player trajectory, a lot like Tim Hardaway Jr. Doesn’t have the tools to be a star.

I’d pay him max 14 mill AAV and that’s already a premium. Wouldn’t surprise me if he got more because of his age.

I see, but since he doesn’t do anything above average other than shooting threes, and he’s terrible in many aspects of the game, he’s basically a replacement level player. There are many young guys like him in Europe and maybe even G-League. The only difference is that they haven’t had the chance that Trent Jr. has gotten in his career so far. Why are we going to pay around 10-15 M$/year for him?

[Scott Hall]

The old Raptor fan mentality of if you're not a star you're a scrub

22 year old that's almost a 20ppg scorer in the NBA and could still be in College. He's way better
at 22 then Powell, FVV, Siakam and Boucher were. He has some holes in his game but let's see
if he can develop under our system.

[Raps in 4]

He's not great, and I hope we don't overpay for him. He's a poor defender and a streaky shooter. That's a decent bench piece, but nothing more.

[Blood Orange]

He's 22, give the guy a chance and let's see what he could do during this season before we pigeon hole him as a scrub.

[Ranger One]

By this analysis, Norm was a scrub too. This guy is basically a younger Norm, and Norm was no star thats for sure. Too many people on this board have some misguided view that Trent Jr is some All Star in the making. Difference is that Norm had peaked last year whereas Trent JR still has lots of room to improve and grow. He will be a solid addition to this roster as long as people dont expect him to be the next Beal or something.

[sca]

The old Raptor fan mentality of if you're not a star you're a scrub

22 year old that's almost a 20ppg scorer in the NBA and could still be in College. He's way better
at 22 then Powell, FVV, Siakam and Boucher were. He has some holes in his game but let's see
if he can develop under our system.

He doesn’t have holes in his game, he has craters. Anyone can score 15+ points if they’re given the green light.

[DelAbbot]

https://craftednba.com/players/gary-trent-jr.

GTJ is the only raptor labelled "sieve". As in defensively a sieve.

[VanWest82]

I think the obvious counter to this is GT has some skill that you could project into a winning player. For example, even though his shooting splits aren't anything to write home about he's pretty clearly a good shooter. He's also effective getting open off ball. Those two things alone mean he adds some gravity to our offense. He needs to improve though.

[alevirfe]

"in his career years" lol isn't he going into his fourth season next year?

TS favours players who get to the FT line. his TS is also low because he mostly shoots 3s

[will]

A tad bit harsh to label GTJ a scrub, no?

[C_Money]

He’s the youngest guy on the roster. The stupid sh*t I read on here sometimes…

[Indeed]

He is an asset, where we can re-sign him and fill out our salary to near tax.
I think we didn't know he was not a capable defender, but we can probably hide him by coming off the bench. I prefer a 35 years old Lowry though.