Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[Merit]

The Kyle Lowry sign-and-trade to Miami isn't in doubt, but it appears the reason it hasn't been officially completed yet is that Toronto is now trying to re-home Goran Dragic. In statements to the media, Dragic expressed a desire to join the Mavericks and play with Luka Doncic, something Dallas is known to be interested in as well. To join as a third team in that deal, Dallas would have to send at least $14.4 million in salary to Toronto, something most easily done by combining Dwight Powell and Willie Cauley-Stein. But that's also where it gets complicated.

Dallas wouldn't want to do that because Powell is beloved around the organization, and losing two centers in the same transaction would thin the team's depth. The Mavs also don't want to replace Cauley-Stein with one of their prospects in Josh Green or Tyrell Terry. But Toronto likely views Dragic, a proven veteran on an expiring deal, as a positive asset. Dallas wants him, so why shouldn't it give something up? That's the current limbo it's easy to imagine both teams in right now. One possible solution is Dallas finding an expendable player Toronto does want and using a recently acquired trade exception (TPE) to bring something more conducive to the Raptors' likings.

Via https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

[KL78192020]

going from a guard heavy team to bigs only lol.

[Syd-TK3]

Give us josh green

[Jerry Lucas]

Powell and WCS combined salaries this season are $14.1 million.

[C_Money]

So they think they can just get Dragic for nothing? They will have to give something up obviously lol.

[nivisi9]

depressing asf, anyway we could atleast pry Green from them?

[VancouverRaps]

If true, I don't blame the Mavs for playing hardball, I can't imagine there's a lot of suitors for Dragic right now at his salary so why bid against yourself?

[Tor_Raps]

Getting one of their centers and a prospect would give us quite the return considering we're also getting Precious and a 2nd Rounder.

[rapstarter]

Will be a 30 team merry go round by end of this week

[biblast]

The Kyle Lowry sign-and-trade to Miami isn't in doubt, but it appears the reason it hasn't been officially completed yet is that Toronto is now trying to re-home Goran Dragic. In statements to the media, Dragic expressed a desire to join the Mavericks and play with Luka Doncic, something Dallas is known to be interested in as well. To join as a third team in that deal, Dallas would have to send at least $14.4 million in salary to Toronto, something most easily done by combining Dwight Powell and Willie Cauley-Stein. But that's also where it gets complicated.

Dallas wouldn't want to do that because Powell is beloved around the organization, and losing two centers in the same transaction would thin the team's depth. The Mavs also don't want to replace Cauley-Stein with one of their prospects in Josh Green or Tyrell Terry. But Toronto likely views Dragic, a proven veteran on an expiring deal, as a positive asset. Dallas wants him, so why shouldn't it give something up? That's the current limbo it's easy to imagine both teams in right now. One possible solution is Dallas finding an expendable player Toronto does want and using a recently acquired trade exception (TPE) to bring something more conducive to the Raptors' likings.

Via https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

[HangTime]

Maybe we can jump in on the Spurs/Bulls trade, and the second ever 5 team trade. Anyone have any crazy ideas?

This was the first, and only, 5 team trade to date:
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1343542

[Apz]

Just take powell and burke and have heat bridge the gap

[RapsAndJays21]

Not a fan of helping other teams, especially the one who took Bosh from us.

We'll see in a couple days

[artsncrafts]

If true, I don't blame the Mavs for playing hardball, I can't imagine there's a lot of suitors for Dragic right now at his salary so why bid against yourself?

But on the other side, why would Toronto do it unless they get a young player or pick back. Dragic has more value than WCS and Powell so Raps could just keep him and trade at deadline or he expires.

[dalton749]

The hold up has to be doing their due diligence to find a third team. Some interesting names they could considering depending on if we want more going out or less with dragic could be kleber, markkanen, Turner, nance, Morris, nurkic, hart, Bagley, favors, to name a few.

[alienchild]

If Dragic can't be moved by Thurs, the Heat will have further obligations to TOR, either K Z Okpala or draft compensation.

[G_Misconduct]

Not a fan of helping other teams, especially the one who took Bosh from us.

We'll see in a couple days

Bosh is my most hated raptor of all time, he was just such a whiner. IMO he probably damn near begged to join the Heatles, I don't hold that one against them. I have a weird Stockholm Syndrome-esque respect from a distance for Pat Riley

[Appostis]

Moses Brown plus Powell?

[ontnut]

The Kyle Lowry sign-and-trade to Miami isn't in doubt, but it appears the reason it hasn't been officially completed yet is that Toronto is now trying to re-home Goran Dragic. In statements to the media, Dragic expressed a desire to join the Mavericks and play with Luka Doncic, something Dallas is known to be interested in as well. To join as a third team in that deal, Dallas would have to send at least $14.4 million in salary to Toronto, something most easily done by combining Dwight Powell and Willie Cauley-Stein. But that's also where it gets complicated.

Dallas wouldn't want to do that because Powell is beloved around the organization, and losing two centers in the same transaction would thin the team's depth. The Mavs also don't want to replace Cauley-Stein with one of their prospects in Josh Green or Tyrell Terry. But Toronto likely views Dragic, a proven veteran on an expiring deal, as a positive asset. Dallas wants him, so why shouldn't it give something up? That's the current limbo it's easy to imagine both teams in right now. One possible solution is Dallas finding an expendable player Toronto does want and using a recently acquired trade exception (TPE) to bring something more conducive to the Raptors' likings.

Via https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/2021-nba-free-agency-live-updates-news-analysis-trades/Sv5IIlL9fSee

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

In theory, you have to agree to the S&T first and then work out the details. None of these signings are final until the 6th anyhow. Guys can and have, reneged on their verbal agreements to sign with specific teams. Maybe the Mavs are looking at moving one of their prospects for a depth C so they can replace Powell/WCS production, or something like that.

[Hero_Panda]

You'd think that this would had to be ironed out PRIOR the Mother F S&T deal! Like are you suggesting that we didn't have a deal in place to flip Dragic before agreeing to the S&T ??? This is total BS!

From what I understand:
- TOR trade Dragic to DAL for one of Powerll/WCS and filler
- TOR keeps Dragic and but gets Okpala + filler along with Achiuwa + 2nd for taking on Dragic's contract.

Sounds like things were planned out from TOR's perspective.