Indeed wrote: LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Excuse for "insignificant price tag" when adding up to be near 20m?
Baynes didn't set the franchise back?
I don't think we have a horrible contract, but we are over the tax for a play-in team? Even we trade away Dragic to be under the tax, it does not mean we have salary flexibility next year, might as well lose Boucher. So we are happy with this roster for the next 2 years?
No, Baynes didn't set the franchise back. Stanley Johnson didn't set this franchise back. They were stop-gap players.
I mean you can blame covid and playing in Tampa for setting this franchise back. That's what Masai said. He even said "years".
But I bet signing Ibaka and/or Gasol would have been bad extensions and would have set the franchise back aka multiple years. Ibaka having back surgery or whatever and Gasol a real shadow of himself now. By getting rid of them, we were able to move on and go find big men who fit in the timeline.
So not many extensions, according to the question originally asked, were considered "bad".
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Baynes was clearly the major problem that we started the season in a negative way, and Lowry was shaking his head as he cannot pass the ball to him at rim nor pass to him for 3s. Ujiri and Nurse wouldn't blame on the players, but clearly Baynes sets us back in the first 10 games.
Meanwhile, Ibaka won't have the same back issue that was due to playing 30+mins against bigger C as a Raptors. Boucher and Siakam will share some time (that goes for Leonard who got hurt as a Clippers, while unlikely as a Raptors). It feels you are making yourself feel better by saying we are not getting Ibaka (or even Leonard), but the reality of our medical staff and ability to load manage would not be the same for these players.
Claiming we don't have bad contracts (Ujiri didn't sign / extend bad contracts) is just wishful thinking. The strategy of praying for an all-star to join without plan B was a failure. I don't see how people can still argue that our management did no wrong after how things happened last year.
laughable to blame 1 player for the bad start of the season. clearly you didn't see the rest of the team play horribly either. with no go to offensive player + terrible team defense, yes blame it all on Baynes. to start a season 2-8 is because of 1 minor role player is terrible.
Ibaka's injury may or may not have been prevented because of the jersey he was in. injuries happen, esp during the covid year.
oh I didn't say Baynes wasn't a bad contract. he was because he didn't us anything nearly for what we paid him for. but he didn't set the franchise back - which is what i'm countering your point of setting this franchise back. or SJ for that matter. If we had ibaka, I think we would have resigned Lowry to another extension, and we would have kept going into this perpetual motion of 2nd round playoff team.
I think can clearly say, signing Baynes, not signing Ibaka/Gasol, Covid, playing in Tampa, not resigning Lowry, our future couldn't have been more clear with drafting a player like Barnes. all those things have collectively led us here where we don't have any questionable tread-milling.
again the question to be asked was any extension that Masai signed turned out to be bad overall. and I think the answer to that is: no there were no extensions that handcuffed the organization at all.