Simmons: Yes or No?

[Raps in 4]

Ben would be the best player on maybe 5 teams. He needs to have his own crappy team.

The Raptors would be on that list.

Nope. We suck, but we have plenty of guys who impact the game more than Simmons. If there is one thing this team doesn't lack, it's defence.

[JB7]

Trading for Simmons is about looking 3-4 years down the road, and trying to build a contender around those timelines.

The Raptors clearly are not a contender as currently constructed. But if they were able to acquire Simmons, would him, Barnes, OG, GTG, Achiuwa and Flynn be enough of a core to contend in 3-4 years?

All of these guys are currently between the ages of 20 - 25. Nurse relies heavily on a tight group playing substantial minutes, which seems to be the trend in the NBA. In the playoffs, the rotations seem to be getting smaller.

If Simmons, Barnes, OG and GTG are playing 36+ mins, it will not leave a lot of minutes for other players, especially if one of those players needs to be a more physical center eating up at least 24+ mins a game.

If Simmons can generate open looks for others with his drives (Giannis-like), then you hope that Barnes can develop into the type of late game scorer with his multifaceted skill set. OG, GTG and Flynn offer up the high volume spot up 3pt shooters to surround Simmons. And you hope both Barnes and Achiuwa can develop into decent 3pt shooters. Defensively though, this team is long and athletic and would hopefully be able to play a suffocating defense, and be able to generate a lot of offense from their D.

That's why I would be comfortable moving PS & FVV as the primary pieces in a deal for Simmons and Maxey. Maxey offers another shooter, like Flynn. There is no way the Sixers let Simmons go for something like just PS or FVV and insignificant fillers. The Sixers are in their window for winning and Morey cannot afford to lose an asset like Simmons for minimal value. He'll let him sit the whole season before he makes that type of move. He also needs players that are able to contribute to a winner now, which both PS & FVV can do.

A deal for Simmons is about a future core of Simmons (PG), Barnes (PF) and OG (SF), with GTG (SG) on the fringe of the core depending on how reliable he is as a shooter and defender.

[Raps in 4]

Trading for Simmons is about looking 3-4 years down the road, and trying to build a contender around those timelines.

The Raptors clearly are not a contender as currently constructed. But if they were able to acquire Simmons, would him, Barnes, OG, GTG, Achiuwa and Flynn be enough of a core to contend in 3-4 years?

All of these guys are currently between the ages of 20 - 25. Nurse relies heavily on a tight group playing substantial minutes, which seems to be the trend in the NBA. In the playoffs, the rotations seem to be getting smaller.

If Simmons, Barnes, OG and GTG are playing 36+ mins, it will not leave a lot of minutes for other players, especially if one of those players needs to be a more physical center eating up at least 24+ mins a game.

If Simmons can generate open looks for others with his drives (Giannis-like), then you hope that Barnes can develop into the type of late game scorer with his multifaceted skill set. OG, GTG and Flynn offer up the high volume spot up 3pt shooters to surround Simmons. And you hope both Barnes and Achiuwa can develop into decent 3pt shooters. Defensively though, this team is long and athletic and would hopefully be able to play a suffocating defense, and be able to generate a lot of offense from their D.

That's why I would be comfortable moving PS & FVV as the primary pieces in a deal for Simmons and Maxey. Maxey offers another shooter, like Flynn. There is no way the Sixers let Simmons go for something like just PS or FVV and insignificant fillers. The Sixers are in their window for winning and Morey cannot afford to lose an asset like Simmons for minimal value. He'll let him sit the whole season before he makes that type of move. He also needs players that are able to contribute to a winner now, which both PS & FVV can do.

A deal for Simmons is about a future core of Simmons (PG), Barnes (PF) and OG (SF), with GTG (SG) on the fringe of the core depending on how reliable he is as a shooter and defender.

Simmons is just 2 years younger than FVV and Pascal and is mostly a finished product at this age. Considering he hasn't improved at all In his 4 years in the NBA, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he won't improve now that he's 25. That's not much of a future-oriented trade.

That's why I would be comfortable moving PS & FVV as the primary pieces in a deal for Simmons and Maxey. Maxey offers another shooter, like Flynn. There is no way the Sixers let Simmons go for something like just PS or FVV and insignificant fillers. The Sixers are in their window for winning and Morey cannot afford to lose an asset like Simmons for minimal value. He'll let him sit the whole season before he makes that type of move. He also needs players that are able to contribute to a winner now, which both PS & FVV can do.

That's not how trades work. Other GMs aren't in the business of helping Morey out. Simmons is a flawed player. He doesn't want to go back to Philly and Philly doesn't want him back. Morey has absolutely no trade leverage. It's not like this is Kawhi or Harden we're talking about. It's Ben **** Simmons. An overpaid role player. Nobody is going to dangle two productive players in their primes (like Pascal and FVV) for him.

Ben being voted to a few all-star games means something to casual fans, not NBA GMs. They see his flaws. He isn't worth much, especially not at his salary.

[JB7]

Trading for Simmons is about looking 3-4 years down the road, and trying to build a contender around those timelines.

The Raptors clearly are not a contender as currently constructed. But if they were able to acquire Simmons, would him, Barnes, OG, GTG, Achiuwa and Flynn be enough of a core to contend in 3-4 years?

All of these guys are currently between the ages of 20 - 25. Nurse relies heavily on a tight group playing substantial minutes, which seems to be the trend in the NBA. In the playoffs, the rotations seem to be getting smaller.

If Simmons, Barnes, OG and GTG are playing 36+ mins, it will not leave a lot of minutes for other players, especially if one of those players needs to be a more physical center eating up at least 24+ mins a game.

If Simmons can generate open looks for others with his drives (Giannis-like), then you hope that Barnes can develop into the type of late game scorer with his multifaceted skill set. OG, GTG and Flynn offer up the high volume spot up 3pt shooters to surround Simmons. And you hope both Barnes and Achiuwa can develop into decent 3pt shooters. Defensively though, this team is long and athletic and would hopefully be able to play a suffocating defense, and be able to generate a lot of offense from their D.

That's why I would be comfortable moving PS & FVV as the primary pieces in a deal for Simmons and Maxey. Maxey offers another shooter, like Flynn. There is no way the Sixers let Simmons go for something like just PS or FVV and insignificant fillers. The Sixers are in their window for winning and Morey cannot afford to lose an asset like Simmons for minimal value. He'll let him sit the whole season before he makes that type of move. He also needs players that are able to contribute to a winner now, which both PS & FVV can do.

A deal for Simmons is about a future core of Simmons (PG), Barnes (PF) and OG (SF), with GTG (SG) on the fringe of the core depending on how reliable he is as a shooter and defender.

Simmons is just 2 years younger than FVV and Pascal and is mostly a finished product at this age. Considering he hasn't improved at all In his 4 years in the NBA, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he won't improve now that he's 25. That's not much of a future-oriented trade.

He has mostly played in the shadow of Embiid. If Giannis had a C like Embiid, I doubt he would exactly look like the player he is today.

I'm not saying Ben is going to become a replica of Giannis, but he offers some of the strengths that Giannis offers (size, ball handling, D, ability to create offense off drives to the basket).

He is better at getting to the rim than either PS or FVV, and that is something the Raptors are clearly lacking. Someone who can create those easy scoring opportunities around the basket, that will demand double teams.

And 2 years is a lot when the rest of the core is 20-24.

He doesn't need to develop his shot. He just needs to be a decent FT shooter to avoid the hack-a-shaq in late game situations. Essentially be who he is, with decent FT shooting, and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses.

Ultimately, it will be Barnes development that will dictate the future success (championship) of the franchise.

I see Ben as a Shaq-type in the new NBA, like Giannis. Dominate the game in all facets but shooting. And leave another player to be the late game scorer.

[Dr Positivity]

And I say that as someone who thinks the trade return would actually just be FVV and Boucher for Simmons

I still say no. He doesn't fit the culture.

[Raps in 4]

Trading for Simmons is about looking 3-4 years down the road, and trying to build a contender around those timelines.

The Raptors clearly are not a contender as currently constructed. But if they were able to acquire Simmons, would him, Barnes, OG, GTG, Achiuwa and Flynn be enough of a core to contend in 3-4 years?

All of these guys are currently between the ages of 20 - 25. Nurse relies heavily on a tight group playing substantial minutes, which seems to be the trend in the NBA. In the playoffs, the rotations seem to be getting smaller.

If Simmons, Barnes, OG and GTG are playing 36+ mins, it will not leave a lot of minutes for other players, especially if one of those players needs to be a more physical center eating up at least 24+ mins a game.

If Simmons can generate open looks for others with his drives (Giannis-like), then you hope that Barnes can develop into the type of late game scorer with his multifaceted skill set. OG, GTG and Flynn offer up the high volume spot up 3pt shooters to surround Simmons. And you hope both Barnes and Achiuwa can develop into decent 3pt shooters. Defensively though, this team is long and athletic and would hopefully be able to play a suffocating defense, and be able to generate a lot of offense from their D.

That's why I would be comfortable moving PS & FVV as the primary pieces in a deal for Simmons and Maxey. Maxey offers another shooter, like Flynn. There is no way the Sixers let Simmons go for something like just PS or FVV and insignificant fillers. The Sixers are in their window for winning and Morey cannot afford to lose an asset like Simmons for minimal value. He'll let him sit the whole season before he makes that type of move. He also needs players that are able to contribute to a winner now, which both PS & FVV can do.

A deal for Simmons is about a future core of Simmons (PG), Barnes (PF) and OG (SF), with GTG (SG) on the fringe of the core depending on how reliable he is as a shooter and defender.

Simmons is just 2 years younger than FVV and Pascal and is mostly a finished product at this age. Considering he hasn't improved at all In his 4 years in the NBA, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he won't improve now that he's 25. That's not much of a future-oriented trade.

He has mostly played in the shadow of Embiid. If Giannis had a C like Embiid, I doubt he would exactly look like the player he is today.

I'm not saying Ben is going to become a replica of Giannis, but he offers some of the strengths that Giannis offers (size, ball handling, D, ability to create offense off drives to the basket).

He is better at getting to the rim than either PS or FVV, and that is something the Raptors are clearly lacking. Someone who can create those easy scoring opportunities around the basket, that will demand double teams.

And 2 years is a lot when the rest of the core is 20-24.

He doesn't need to develop his shot. He just needs to be a decent FT shooter to avoid the hack-a-shaq in late game situations. Essentially be who he is, with decent FT shooting, and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses.

Ultimately, it will be Barnes development that will dictate the future success (championship) of the franchise.

I see Ben as a Shaq-type in the new NBA, like Giannis. Dominate the game in all facets but shooting. And leave another player to be the late game scorer.

Developing a shot is absolutely critical in the modern NBA. Him not having any semblance of a jumpshot is precisely why he gets played off the court in the playoffs.

Giannis isn't much of a shooter, but he will still take a mid-range shot or a three from time to time to keep defences honest. You can't ignore him outside of the paint like you can Ben. Hell, Simmons avoids any kind of scoring opportunities, even passing out of dunks and layups sometimes.

[JB7]

Simmons is just 2 years younger than FVV and Pascal and is mostly a finished product at this age. Considering he hasn't improved at all In his 4 years in the NBA, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he won't improve now that he's 25. That's not much of a future-oriented trade.

He has mostly played in the shadow of Embiid. If Giannis had a C like Embiid, I doubt he would exactly look like the player he is today.

I'm not saying Ben is going to become a replica of Giannis, but he offers some of the strengths that Giannis offers (size, ball handling, D, ability to create offense off drives to the basket).

He is better at getting to the rim than either PS or FVV, and that is something the Raptors are clearly lacking. Someone who can create those easy scoring opportunities around the basket, that will demand double teams.

And 2 years is a lot when the rest of the core is 20-24.

He doesn't need to develop his shot. He just needs to be a decent FT shooter to avoid the hack-a-shaq in late game situations. Essentially be who he is, with decent FT shooting, and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses.

Ultimately, it will be Barnes development that will dictate the future success (championship) of the franchise.

I see Ben as a Shaq-type in the new NBA, like Giannis. Dominate the game in all facets but shooting. And leave another player to be the late game scorer.

Developing a shot is absolutely critical in the modern NBA. Him not having any semblance of a jumpshot is precisely why he gets played off the court in the playoffs.

Giannis isn't much of a shooter, but he will still take a mid-range shot or a three from time to time to keep defences honest. You can't ignore him outside of the paint like you can Ben. Hell, Simmons avoids any kind of scoring opportunities, even passing out of dunks and layups sometimes.

I agree. To truly be a legit contender the team would need him to develop at least a mid-range game to keep the D honest. But if that and FT shooting is all you need to develop in him, don't you take the shot for PS & FVV?

[Raps in 4]

He has mostly played in the shadow of Embiid. If Giannis had a C like Embiid, I doubt he would exactly look like the player he is today.

I'm not saying Ben is going to become a replica of Giannis, but he offers some of the strengths that Giannis offers (size, ball handling, D, ability to create offense off drives to the basket).

He is better at getting to the rim than either PS or FVV, and that is something the Raptors are clearly lacking. Someone who can create those easy scoring opportunities around the basket, that will demand double teams.

And 2 years is a lot when the rest of the core is 20-24.

He doesn't need to develop his shot. He just needs to be a decent FT shooter to avoid the hack-a-shaq in late game situations. Essentially be who he is, with decent FT shooting, and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses.

Ultimately, it will be Barnes development that will dictate the future success (championship) of the franchise.

I see Ben as a Shaq-type in the new NBA, like Giannis. Dominate the game in all facets but shooting. And leave another player to be the late game scorer.

Developing a shot is absolutely critical in the modern NBA. Him not having any semblance of a jumpshot is precisely why he gets played off the court in the playoffs.

Giannis isn't much of a shooter, but he will still take a mid-range shot or a three from time to time to keep defences honest. You can't ignore him outside of the paint like you can Ben. Hell, Simmons avoids any kind of scoring opportunities, even passing out of dunks and layups sometimes.

I agree. To truly be a legit contender the team would need him to develop at least a mid-range game to keep the D honest. But if that and FT shooting is all you need to develop in him, don't you take the shot for PS & FVV?

If he was younger, sure. But he's 25 and hasn't made any meaningful progress since entering the NBA. I'd say the odds of him improving are slim, and if he doesn't improve, you're stuck with a defensive specialist making $33-40 million/year until 2025.

[Kreamy]

Simmons is just 2 years younger than FVV and Pascal and is mostly a finished product at this age. Considering he hasn't improved at all In his 4 years in the NBA, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he won't improve now that he's 25. That's not much of a future-oriented trade.

He doesn't even attempt to shoot the ball. How is it a pretty safe bet he won't improve when he hasn't even hit his prime?

Ben being voted to a few all-star games means something to casual fans, not NBA GMs. They see his flaws. He isn't worth much, especially not at his salary.

Quite the opposite. He's the best perimeter defender in the league and finished second in defensive player of the year voting. He's also an excellent passer. I think GMs understand his impact on winning and won't get caught up in that casual fan stuff.

[realball]

Only if it's for Dragic + Boucher + 1st. We can't give up any of core of FVV/Siakam/OG/Barnes, they are all better or worth more than Simmons.

[Clay Davis]

Simmons is just 2 years younger than FVV and Pascal and is mostly a finished product at this age. Considering he hasn't improved at all In his 4 years in the NBA, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he won't improve now that he's 25. That's not much of a future-oriented trade.

He doesn't even attempt to shoot the ball. How is it a pretty safe bet he wont improve when he hasn't even hit his prime?

Ben being voted to a few all-star games means something to casual fans, not NBA GMs. They see his flaws. He isn't worth much, especially not at his salary.

Quite the opposite. He's the best perimeter defender in the league and finished second in defensive player of the year voting. He's also an excellent passer. I think GMs understand his impact on winning and don't get caught up in that casual fan stuff.

He literally peaked in his rookie Summer league. I'm not exaggerating a smidgeon. He has regressed since his rookie year. There's also no evidence to say he's better than Siakam; Siakam showed more playing next to a superstar in his lone season in the role than Simmons has shown in his entire career in the role.

His defense is also overrated since the Sixers run a funneling defense. They don't run a switch-heavy defense. OG is actually a more positionally-diverse defender than Simmons. He'd be the fourth best player on our team at the moment (see the statistics about FVV's defensive activity that someone posted).

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[Clay Davis]

Only if it's for Dragic + Boucher + 1st. We can't give up any of core of FVV/Siakam/OG/Barnes, they are all better or worth more than Simmons.

I wouldn't give up a first unless it was top-18 protected or better.

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[Tofubeque]

I don't think he's a "cancer" or anything but I also don't think he's worth an average of 37mil a year for 4 years + trade kicker + trade assets

[rapluva]

Simmons is not coming to Toronto... Whatever trade the Sixers make .they will want a point guard in return...

They should have made the Lowry deal last year and then signed him to a 3 year 85 million deal next... Who knows they could have been champions...

A sign and trade straight up would have worked for Simmons this year... Sixers best deal would be with the Blazers with Lillard coming back... Helps both teams... Blazers can then trade McCollum to the Warriors for Wiseman.. Wiggins and one of the rookies from this year...along with a pick..

Sixers are running out of options..they need a starting point guard in return...

[Raps in 4]

Simmons is just 2 years younger than FVV and Pascal and is mostly a finished product at this age. Considering he hasn't improved at all In his 4 years in the NBA, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet he won't improve now that he's 25. That's not much of a future-oriented trade.

He doesn't even attempt to shoot the ball. How is it a pretty safe bet he won't improve when he hasn't even hit his prime?

Ben being voted to a few all-star games means something to casual fans, not NBA GMs. They see his flaws. He isn't worth much, especially not at his salary.

Quite the opposite. He's the best perimeter defender in the league and finished second in defensive player of the year voting. He's also an excellent passer. I think GMs understand his impact on winning and won't get caught up in that casual fan stuff.

Why doesn't he shoot the ball? That's a red flag, don't you think?

And sure, defensive specialists are valuable. Just not at $35 million/year. He's barely worth half that money. If Ben was earning $20 million/year or less, I'd be interested. He is instantly one of the worst contracts in the NBA if he doesn't improve, and considering he hasn't shown any improvement in 4 seasons in the NBA, I wouldn't be betting on him suddenly hitting the gym to get better at age 25.

[Tor_Raps]

That package is highway robbery for Philly. Fred alone is arguably more valuable than Simmons. Throwing multiple FRPs on top is insanity.

Stop it. There's homerism and then there's this level of homerism lol

It's not homerism. Ben Simmons is just that bad. If a player can't shoot, their value is extremely limited.

He should be played at PF who can handle the ball on a secondary basis when needed. He should never be the primary ball handler. He still does a lot of other things at an elite level to be a very good player.

[mihaic]

It is hard to vote. The correct answer imo is "it depends". For cheap yes, for much no.

[kalel123]

There's no fair trade to be made considering Philly's asking price.

Even if we were to assume a fair trade from our perspective could be made, you'd still have to be convinced he can be made to change his ways and fix him mentally cause he has some fatal flaws. Not so sure about that myself because if it was more doable than not, he wouldn't be where he is now in the first place.

[Darkseid]

Hard no.

Not even for FVV.

[raptorstime]

The young socialite would dip the first moment he's a free agent.