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Re: Masai: We have a Young Team and there will be Growing Pains 

Post#581 » by everdiso » Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:42 am

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Clay Davis wrote:So, after so many pages of discussion, is there a verdict on the Celtics being a treadmill team?

It’s difficult to say how the Celtics are a treadmill team with their blue chip prospects but they’re still overhyped by the National media. I’m not sure why people are necessarily comparing them to us. They started rebuilding when they traded Pierce and Garnett. We just started rebuilding last year. Were way behind in that arc of development.


Not that tough - they've blown through their huge stockpile of picks and have 4 guys to show for it, all in the 23-27 age range. 1 looks like a perennial allstar but not an mvp type. Another looks looks like a solid complementary starter. The 3rd looks like a flawed starter. The 4th so far looks like a good bench tweener. They're all capped out now, no other young pieces to hope for impact from, and likely too good to tank.
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Post#582 » by everdiso » Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:45 am

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So DPM the most trusted of all the metrics.

Here's how the raps and celts compare in DPM (mostly in order of mpg):

Siakam 1.9 (#40) --- Tatum 3.0 (#19)
VanVleet 1.7 ----- Brown 1.5
Anunoby 1.7 ----- Smart 1.5
Dragic -0.6 -------- Schroder -1.3
Trent -2.1 ---------- Richardson -1.5

Birch -0.1 ---------- Horford -1.9
Boucher 1.0 ------ Kanter 0.9
Barnes --- ---------- Williams 1.6

Flynn -1.6 ---------- Pritchard -0.6
Achiuwa -3.2 ----- Nesmith -2.4
Watanabe -1.3 --- Hernangomez -1.6
Mykhailuk -2.0 --- GWilliams -2.1
Bonga 0.0 ---------- Parker -0.2
Gillespie -2.6 ----- Langford -2.3
Dekker ---- ---------- Fernando -2.1


Those numbers look pretty similar, with the one outlier being Tatum. I'm not sure how much of a positive that is for them exactly.

If playing next to a very good player, #19 in the league, doesn't buoy other teammates' numbers, what will?

Outside of four guys: Tatum, Brown, Smart & Williams, I don't see much worth commenting on for them.

That being said, I'm higher on Barnes, Flynn, Achiuwa, Trent and Boucher than any guy not named above on the Celtics.

I really feel that given all of their draft capital, they should easily be further ahead than us. Instead, they seem to be on par or slightly behind us. The mismanagement of assets for their franchise has to be disheartening for their fans. They *should* be in full compete mode, with young studs and in-prime vets. Instead, they missed the boat with Kyrie, misjudged Kemba and missed Horford's window.

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It's amazing how poorly ajnge did with that huge stockpile of picks.

The two 3rd overalls he didn't waste, but didn't get an MVP type either. His 6th overall he turned into a borderline starter. The rest he wasted. Maybe there's some hope Rob Williams finally becomes more than a 7th or 8th man but he's 24 now and has never played even 20mpg.
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Re: Masai: We have a Young Team and there will be Growing Pains 

Post#583 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Sep 19, 2021 12:55 am

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Clay Davis wrote:So, after so many pages of discussion, is there a verdict on the Celtics being a treadmill team?

It’s difficult to say how the Celtics are a treadmill team with their blue chip prospects but they’re still overhyped by the National media. I’m not sure why people are necessarily comparing them to us. They started rebuilding when they traded Pierce and Garnett. We just started rebuilding last year. Were way behind in that arc of development.


Not that tough - they've blown through their huge stockpile of picks and have 4 guys to show for it, all in the 23-27 age range. 1 looks like a perennial allstar but not an mvp type. Another looks looks like a solid complementary starter. The 3rd looks like a flawed starter. The 4th so far looks like a good bench tweener. They're all capped out now, no other young pieces to hope for impact from, and likely too good to tank.

Jaylen brown is more than a complementary starter. No need to hate. All they need is one more star and they climb up into the upper tier. They have trade assets and also have max cap space coming up. They have the opportunity to make moves. Bigger question is Brad Stevens. Is he up to the task
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Re: Masai: We have a Young Team and there will be Growing Pains 

Post#584 » by everdiso » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:35 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
everdiso wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:It’s difficult to say how the Celtics are a treadmill team with their blue chip prospects but they’re still overhyped by the National media. I’m not sure why people are necessarily comparing them to us. They started rebuilding when they traded Pierce and Garnett. We just started rebuilding last year. Were way behind in that arc of development.


Not that tough - they've blown through their huge stockpile of picks and have 4 guys to show for it, all in the 23-27 age range. 1 looks like a perennial allstar but not an mvp type. Another looks looks like a solid complementary starter. The 3rd looks like a flawed starter. The 4th so far looks like a good bench tweener. They're all capped out now, no other young pieces to hope for impact from, and likely too good to tank.

Jaylen brown is more than a complementary starter. No need to hate. All they need is one more star and they climb up into the upper tier. They have trade assets and also have max cap space coming up. They have the opportunity to make moves. Bigger question is Brad Stevens. Is he up to the task


He's a complementary starter. No chance he could be a #1 option.

They don't have any trade assets other than the 4 guys I mentioned.

And they don't have max capspace coming up.
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Re: Masai: We have a Young Team and there will be Growing Pains 

Post#585 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:44 am

everdiso wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
everdiso wrote:
Not that tough - they've blown through their huge stockpile of picks and have 4 guys to show for it, all in the 23-27 age range. 1 looks like a perennial allstar but not an mvp type. Another looks looks like a solid complementary starter. The 3rd looks like a flawed starter. The 4th so far looks like a good bench tweener. They're all capped out now, no other young pieces to hope for impact from, and likely too good to tank.

Jaylen brown is more than a complementary starter. No need to hate. All they need is one more star and they climb up into the upper tier. They have trade assets and also have max cap space coming up. They have the opportunity to make moves. Bigger question is Brad Stevens. Is he up to the task


He's a complementary starter. No chance he could be a #1 option.

They don't have any trade assets other than the 4 guys I mentioned.

And they don't have max capspace coming up.

Brown almost averaged 25 ppg last year. lol at 'complementary starter'.
They have capspace coming up in a couple of years.
Value of players always up for debate.
Celtics are not a contender but they're closer to the championship than we are.
Also putting down the Celtics doesn't make the Raptors look better btw.
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Re: Masai: We have a Young Team and there will be Growing Pains 

Post#586 » by everdiso » Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:27 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
everdiso wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:Jaylen brown is more than a complementary starter. No need to hate. All they need is one more star and they climb up into the upper tier. They have trade assets and also have max cap space coming up. They have the opportunity to make moves. Bigger question is Brad Stevens. Is he up to the task


He's a complementary starter. No chance he could be a #1 option.

They don't have any trade assets other than the 4 guys I mentioned.

And they don't have max capspace coming up.

Brown almost averaged 25 ppg last year. lol at 'complementary starter'.
They have capspace coming up in a couple of years.
Value of players always up for debate.
Celtics are not a contender but they're closer to the championship than we are.
Also putting down the Celtics doesn't make the Raptors look better btw.


He's a complementary player. Scoring 24ppg as an off-ball player on a .500 team doesn't change that.

They are capped out for years.

Bigging up the Celtics doesn't make them better than they are - even though the media has tried their best.
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Re: Masai: We have a Young Team and there will be Growing Pains 

Post#587 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:33 am

everdiso wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
everdiso wrote:
He's a complementary starter. No chance he could be a #1 option.

They don't have any trade assets other than the 4 guys I mentioned.

And they don't have max capspace coming up.

Brown almost averaged 25 ppg last year. lol at 'complementary starter'.
They have capspace coming up in a couple of years.
Value of players always up for debate.
Celtics are not a contender but they're closer to the championship than we are.
Also putting down the Celtics doesn't make the Raptors look better btw.


He's a complementary player. Scoring 24ppg as an off-ball player on a .500 team doesn't change that.

They are capped out for years.

Bigging up the Celtics doesn't make them better than they are - even though the media has tried their best.

so scoring 25 ppg as on OFF BALL SCORER is a LESSER accomplishment?
LOL
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