2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[DelAbbot]

I like Poetl's contract for what he potentially provides;
The issue is matching salary.

The deal likely ends up being based around Boucher for Poetl unless somehow a third team rolls in to use Dragic's contract.

Boucher is a much better player than poetl,(although older). Much more impact on the game, especially offensively due to his gravity. Poetl still hasn't learned to shoot. I'd say Boucher's next contract will only be a couple mil more per yr more than Poetls too so don't see the point of trading for him. I think he is what he is offensively at this point

I agree with that.
Prior to the contract that Holmes secured this off-season I would have assumed Boucher would have received far far more than he may ultimately end up with.

If Boucher signs for around 10m-ish this off-season then I would rather retain him;
If there was a fear he would end up with far more I would have leaned towards a younger and cheaper for longer Poetl.

What role would Boucher have on this team next year? The current plan is feature a lineup of 6'8+ guys who can do a bit of everything: dribbling, passing, shooting. Boucher can shoot and do nothing else: no handle, no passing, no post-game. His defense is volatile: gets blocks but miss his rotations. And he is much older than our core.

I think when Siakam comes back, there will be a log jam at the forward spots - Boucher needs to go. We should have sold high on him this past summer. Still have a chance to sell him this trade deadline before his contract ends.

[DelAbbot]

What can we get for Boucher and Dragic?

Really hope neither are on this team past the deadline

Two 2nd rounders each. Maybe a really-late first rounder for Boucher from a contender.

[LoveMyRaps]

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We need this guy man. Would be such an amazing fit on this team. Only 25 with so much untapped potential.

A starting lineup of: Barnes (20), FVV (27), OG (24), Siakam (27), Turner (25)
And a whole unit full of prospects: Flynn (22), Svi(24), Trent (22), Banton (22), Achiuwa (22)

[Raps1103]

Give me Poetl over Ayton at fraction the cost.

That makes no sense as Ayton is better than Jakob at everything basketball related

PER wise, Ayton (20.35 on 30 mpg) has an edge on Jak (17.5 on 26 mpg). Both shoot 61-62%, and neither has range. Ayton can make FTs at a 75% clip, Jak is at 50%. Jak blocks a few more shots.

Yes, I'd rather pay Poeltl 8 mill/yr than Ayton the max. Among Cs, only Embiid and Jokic deserve the max. If AD is a C, then him too.

KAT? Sabonis?

[tecumseh18]

That makes no sense as Ayton is better than Jakob at everything basketball related

PER wise, Ayton (20.35 on 30 mpg) has an edge on Jak (17.5 on 26 mpg). Both shoot 61-62%, and neither has range. Ayton can make FTs at a 75% clip, Jak is at 50%. Jak blocks a few more shots.

Yes, I'd rather pay Poeltl 8 mill/yr than Ayton the max. Among Cs, only Embiid and Jokic deserve the max. If AD is a C, then him too.

KAT? Sabonis?

Definitely not Sabonis. He'd have to be a transcendent offensive machine (like Jokic) to overcome his defence. And he's not. Like all Raptors fans, I'd rather have Turner.

KAT ... hmm. It's really hard to tell when the team is a perennial loser. This year will tell the tale. T-Wolves look pretty good. If they can somehow get Simmons for Russell, that defensive presence will really help them, and KAT.

[Indeed]

Boucher is a much better player than poetl,(although older). Much more impact on the game, especially offensively due to his gravity. Poetl still hasn't learned to shoot. I'd say Boucher's next contract will only be a couple mil more per yr more than Poetls too so don't see the point of trading for him. I think he is what he is offensively at this point

I agree with that.
Prior to the contract that Holmes secured this off-season I would have assumed Boucher would have received far far more than he may ultimately end up with.

If Boucher signs for around 10m-ish this off-season then I would rather retain him;
If there was a fear he would end up with far more I would have leaned towards a younger and cheaper for longer Poetl.

What role would Boucher have on this team next year? The current plan is feature a lineup of 6'8+ guys who can do a bit of everything: dribbling, passing, shooting. Boucher can shoot and do nothing else: no handle, no passing, no post-game. His defense is volatile: gets blocks but miss his rotations. And he is much older than our core.

I think when Siakam comes back, there will be a log jam at the forward spots - Boucher needs to go. We should have sold high on him this past summer. Still have a chance to sell him this trade deadline before his contract ends.

Boucher provides offensive rebounding. The lineup against both Boston and Dallas with Boucher at PF, Barnes at SF were amazing, since we put Barnes into success and bully-in. Meanwhile, when we benched Boucher, it was a big issue that we lacked size and length on defense, where we ended up with Banton at SF to make up on it (we defended much better even we weren't scoring, keeping us in the game).

I think we need to have one of Siakam, Barnes or OG at SF, so that we can bully into the paint, and having Boucher at PF allows us to play Barnes at SF full time.
Achiuwa (20)/Birch (20)/Siakam (8)
Siakam (24)/Boucher (20)
Barnes (32)/OG (16)
OG (14)/Trent (20)/Banton (14)
VanVleet (32)/Banton (6)

[LBJKB24MJ23]

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We need this guy man. Would be such an amazing fit on this team. Only 25 with so much untapped potential.

A starting lineup of: Barnes (20), FVV (27), OG (24), Siakam (27), Turner (25)
And a whole unit full of prospects: Flynn (22), Svi(24), Trent (22), Banton (22), Achiuwa (22)

there is nothing we have that they would want. If I were them I would try to make Sabonis and him work.

and from that group, who is getting traded for him lmao.

at the very minimum, Precious and Trent would be a starting package of a discussion. would probably want OG or Siakam too.

[h4rrison]

We need a pass first PG.. Fred is a scorer and plays best off the ball. Simmons would be perfect on this time but I'd only be comfortable losing GTJ..

Would philly take GTJ, Flynn, Dragic + 2 unprotected picks for Simmons?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

We need a pass first PG.. Fred is a scorer and plays best off the ball. Simmons would be perfect on this time but I'd only be comfortable losing GTJ..

Would philly take GTJ, Flynn, Dragic + 2 unprotected picks for Simmons?

they'd probably send us Danny Green lmao

[Rapsfan07]

We need a pass first PG.. Fred is a scorer and plays best off the ball. Simmons would be perfect on this time but I'd only be comfortable losing GTJ..

Would philly take GTJ, Flynn, Dragic + 2 unprotected picks for Simmons?

Do not want Simmons. Way too much positional overlap between Simmons, Siakam, Barnes and OG.

But we do need a better PG if we plan to get back to contender status. Best PG on the market currently that would fit is Sexton.

[h4rrison]

We need a pass first PG.. Fred is a scorer and plays best off the ball. Simmons would be perfect on this time but I'd only be comfortable losing GTJ..

Would philly take GTJ, Flynn, Dragic + 2 unprotected picks for Simmons?

Do not want Simmons. Way too much positional overlap between Simmons, Siakam, Barnes and OG.

But we do need a better PG if we plan to get back to contender status. Best PG on the market currently that would fit is Sexton.

Sexton is just a younger version of FVV without the jumpshot

[LBJKB24MJ23]

We need a pass first PG.. Fred is a scorer and plays best off the ball. Simmons would be perfect on this time but I'd only be comfortable losing GTJ..

Would philly take GTJ, Flynn, Dragic + 2 unprotected picks for Simmons?

Do not want Simmons. Way too much positional overlap between Simmons, Siakam, Barnes and OG.

But we do need a better PG if we plan to get back to contender status. Best PG on the market currently that would fit is Sexton.

[Saul Goodman]

Dragic and Boucher are clearly not in the future plans so id like to see them moved in something like this




trade 1:

To Chicago:
Boucher
Yuta


To Toronto
Derrick Jones
Portland 2022 1st




Trade 2:

To Toronto
Kevin Knox
Bol Bol
Facundo Campazzo
2023 Washington 2nd
2024 Minnesota 2nd
2022 Charlotte 2nd



To Denver
Goran Dragic


To New York:
Jamychal Green


To OKC
Zeke Nnaji







giving Masai extra picks is always a great idea as we march towards our rebuild/retool.

[StopitLeo]

I think things will look a lot better once Pascal returns, but his absence really highlights how we lack a wing scorer (I’m confident Barnes will get there eventually).

Frankly, I don’t see anyone worth trading significant assets for.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/10/25/nba-rumors-execs-have-eyes-set-atlanta-hawks-cam-reddish-for-potential-trade/

"What could the price be to acquire Reddish? One executive said that he believes a team would be willing to part with a lottery-protected first-round pick to acquire him.

Given how high of a ceiling he has, there are likely plenty of teams that would be willing to trade away a lottery-protected pick for the chance at adding Reddish to their team."

[Bruin]

I wonder if Boucher could get us Reddish

[skywalker33]

Dragic and Boucher are clearly not in the future plans so id like to see them moved in something like this




trade 1:

To Chicago:
Boucher
Yuta


To Toronto
Derrick Jones
Portland 2022 1st




Trade 2:

To Toronto
Kevin Knox
Bol Bol
Facundo Campazzo
2023 Washington 2nd
2024 Minnesota 2nd
2022 Charlotte 2nd



To Denver
Goran Dragic


To New York:
Jamychal Green


To OKC
Zeke Nnaji







giving Masai extra picks is always a great idea as we march towards our rebuild/retool.

Dragic doesn't hold that kinda value anymore, even just to match salaries... Dream On.....one of my favorite Aerosmith songs !!

[Rapsfan07]

We need a pass first PG.. Fred is a scorer and plays best off the ball. Simmons would be perfect on this time but I'd only be comfortable losing GTJ..

Would philly take GTJ, Flynn, Dragic + 2 unprotected picks for Simmons?

Do not want Simmons. Way too much positional overlap between Simmons, Siakam, Barnes and OG.

But we do need a better PG if we plan to get back to contender status. Best PG on the market currently that would fit is Sexton.

Sexton is just a younger version of FVV without the jumpshot

And a much better shot creator who can actually get passed his man and finish at the rim

So really not that similar after all

[Mr Swagtastic]

The three trade targets I would try to get if I was Toronto are Dejounte Murray, Jakob Poeltl and Myles Turner. Both Turner and Jakob Poeltl help Toronto gain legit size up front. Dejounte Murray gives Toronto a guy they could pair very nicely with Gary Trent Jr or Scottie Barnes.

[WeTheNorth123]

I wonder if Boucher could get us Reddish

no way! Reddish has been playing way too good!