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Post#1001 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:22 pm

TheBunk wrote:Scottie can absolutely guard sgs. Let's not get ridiculous.

His defensive game last night was terrific when you consider how tough this defensive system is for a rookie.


Huh? No, it wasn't. Scottie was not doing that great on CJ (but neither was OG) and Scottie cannot guard quick PGs like Lilliard. Yet. Nuse can't put him on a island against guys like that, he's going to get blown by. And he was not getting funnelled into help.
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Post#1002 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:32 pm

Among rookies:

1st PPG
1st REB
2nd BLK
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9th STL
2nd in FG% (min 50 attempts)
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Post#1003 » by TheRealDeal » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:58 pm

Ive noticed Scottie almost purposely letting guards by him at times because he loves using his sneaky length & long strides to recover quickly and block people from behind

That might’ve worked in college but it’s a lot more difficult in the NBA. Especially when there’s no rim protector backing him up
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Post#1004 » by Basketball_Jones » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:13 pm

I think he got a bit rattled and amped by the trash talk yesterday. I know everyone says just run the offense through him but clearly he’s not that guy. I like the opportunities he’s getting, and a bit more would be nice. Playing in other lineups without Fred or Siakam would be best to get that imo. Trade off is less chemistry with those two guys though, which is ultimately long term goal.
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Post#1005 » by The G-Man » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:23 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:I think he got a bit rattled and amped by the trash talk yesterday. I know everyone says just run the offense through him but clearly he’s not that guy yet. I like the opportunities he’s getting, and a bit more would be nice. Playing in other lineups without Fred or Siakam would be best to get that imo. Trade off is less chemistry with those two guys though, which is ultimately long term goal.

I think he will become that guy soon. He makes quick reads with the ball and more times than not makes the right decision.
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Post#1006 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:36 pm

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TheBunk wrote:Scottie can absolutely guard sgs. Let's not get ridiculous.

His defensive game last night was terrific when you consider how tough this defensive system is for a rookie.


Huh? No, it wasn't. Scottie was not doing that great on CJ (but neither was OG) and Scottie cannot guard quick PGs like Lilliard. Yet. Nuse can't put him on a island against guys like that, he's going to get blown by. And he was not getting funnelled into help.



Not many that size can guard those smaller players maybe Ben Simmons but even then it still is rough(trey young last years playoffs.. Trey went off)
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Post#1007 » by links135 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:42 pm

Eh, they were actually only 6-14 against Barnes last night. He also posted the best defensive rating in the 2nd half.

More concerning is when Barnes is off the court the last 6 games, the other team is shooting 49% from 3.

We also barely grab any offensive rebounds and we also turn in over 3rd highest on the team when he's off the court, resulting in lost possessions, which means even though we shoot slightly better with him off the court, our offensive rating goes wayyyy down, to the point we have a -18 rating with him off the court.

The bench has been hot garbage the last 6, with them all having roughly a -15 to -18 rating, in fact the starting lineup with Siakam has been doing pretty well, they had a +12 last night and played half the game. Portland also only shot 29% from 3 against the startling lineup.

As soon as Svi or Banton came into the game they basically shot 80% from 3. Really kind of hard to put that on Barnes.
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Post#1008 » by links135 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:48 pm

Also Mobley went 0-11 as a center, which is similar to how Barnes has to play PF/C right now when he's pretty clearly an SF.

They also shot 9-14 against Mobley, so far showing signs that my theory is right that it's the combination with Allen that's dangerous, Mobley at center would struggle.
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Post#1011 » by vulture » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:45 pm

https://noceilings.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-scottie-barnes-experience

At this point, I'm clearly in the wrong with the tier I put him in. Can I feel good about pegging him as one of the five best guys in this class? Absolutely, but what he's already shown on film in the first portion of the 2021-22 NBA season has me re-evaluating not just for tier 2, but possibly tier 1 consideration which is an MVP-caliber player in time.
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Post#1012 » by Vorticity » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:30 pm

links135 wrote:Eh, they were actually only 6-14 against Barnes last night. He also posted the best defensive rating in the 2nd half.

More concerning is when Barnes is off the court the last 6 games, the other team is shooting 49% from 3.

We also barely grab any offensive rebounds and we also turn in over 3rd highest on the team when he's off the court, resulting in lost possessions, which means even though we shoot slightly better with him off the court, our offensive rating goes wayyyy down, to the point we have a -18 rating with him off the court.


That's crazy! do you have the link that shows the difference in OffRtg?
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Post#1013 » by ruckus » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:55 pm

What astounds me about Scottie this early in his career is that he just has a nose for the ball. He's getting 10-ish ppg just on cleaning up. Once he incorporates an actual offensive game outside of his surprisingly money midrange, he'll be at 25+ ppg scorer.

And I think thats conservative. Just building off what he's currently doing and increasing his usage, he's going to be an offensive beast in a few years.

2/6 3PA = 6 points
5/6 FTA = 5 points
5/10 2PA = 10 points
Plus 5-10 garbage points and he's already there.
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Post#1014 » by JJ From Deep » Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:38 pm

Scottie is back on top on the Rookie Ladder
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-nov-17-2021-edition

You want poise? Barnes has been even better on the road (19.6 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 2.6 apg, 54.2% shooting) than at home. That and more earned him high praise from Brooklyn coach Steve Nash: “He can impact the game in a lot of ways. Offensively, I think there is a player that has a high ceiling but is still going to continue to develop. Defensively, he is very versatile and can guard multiple positions, skill sets and actions.” And a slightly less nuanced but more audacious compliment from TNT’s Charles Barkley, predicting the No. 4 pick in the Draft will be Rookie of the Year.
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Post#1015 » by Mikistan » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:17 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:Ive noticed Scottie almost purposely letting guards by him at times because he loves using his sneaky length & long strides to recover quickly and block people from behind

That might’ve worked in college but it’s a lot more difficult in the NBA. Especially when there’s no rim protector backing him up


I dont like when he puts his arms down/behind his back to defend on the perimeter - you can get with a little bit of hand-checking in the current nba, you just cant be reaching in/grabbing all the time in front of refs
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Post#1017 » by links135 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:06 pm

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links135 wrote:Eh, they were actually only 6-14 against Barnes last night. He also posted the best defensive rating in the 2nd half.

More concerning is when Barnes is off the court the last 6 games, the other team is shooting 49% from 3.

We also barely grab any offensive rebounds and we also turn in over 3rd highest on the team when he's off the court, resulting in lost possessions, which means even though we shoot slightly better with him off the court, our offensive rating goes wayyyy down, to the point we have a -18 rating with him off the court.


That's crazy! do you have the link that shows the difference in OffRtg?


Yeah, I mentioned it was the last 6 though, since Siakam's been back and this 1-5 losing skid.

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612761/onoffcourt-advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=6&sort=OFF_RATING&dir=-1
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Post#1018 » by Tha Cynic » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:35 pm

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TheRealDeal wrote:Ive noticed Scottie almost purposely letting guards by him at times because he loves using his sneaky length & long strides to recover quickly and block people from behind

That might’ve worked in college but it’s a lot more difficult in the NBA. Especially when there’s no rim protector backing him up


I dont like when he puts his arms down/behind his back to defend on the perimeter - you can get with a little bit of hand-checking in the current nba, you just cant be reaching in/grabbing all the time in front of refs


He started doing that because he has been picked on by refs. There have definitely been at least one or two phantom calls against him per game. He has even picked up two technicals in a row now.
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Post#1019 » by Mikistan » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:35 pm

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Mikistan wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:Ive noticed Scottie almost purposely letting guards by him at times because he loves using his sneaky length & long strides to recover quickly and block people from behind

That might’ve worked in college but it’s a lot more difficult in the NBA. Especially when there’s no rim protector backing him up


I dont like when he puts his arms down/behind his back to defend on the perimeter - you can get with a little bit of hand-checking in the current nba, you just cant be reaching in/grabbing all the time in front of refs


He started doing that because he has been picked on by refs. There have definitely been at least one or two phantom calls against him per game. He has even picked up two technicals in a row now.

Yup refs know how to **** us
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Post#1020 » by HumbleRen » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:53 pm

Since OG is out, we're gonna need to stretch the floor even more.

Lemme see some 3's Scottie, don't be scared, let them fly.

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