[Fischer] Toronto A Team To Keep An Eye On For Myles Turner Trade

[ash_k]

Boucher should have taken that ban like Ayton (PED) during 2019-2020, to gain 25 pounds: We would be set at Center.
The injury should make it a straight GTjr-for-Turner. He is the only center that fits what we need

[Syd-TK3]

I'd much rather Lavert

[Wannabe MEP]

When's the last time a team without an elite defensive C won a championship? The Cavs in 2016 maybe? Your center has to anchor a defensive or the overall team defense will not be good. That's how valuable the position is.

Who was the "elite defensive C" on each of the other championships since 2016? I'll give you Gasol...who else?

2017 Warriors -- ? David West? Or Zaza?
2018 Warriors -- ? Looney?
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- ? Howard?
2021 Bucks -- ? Lopez?

Are you saying all these guys are elite defensive Cs? Or are you arguing for something else?

[Johnny Bball]

When's the last time a team without an elite defensive C won a championship? The Cavs in 2016 maybe? Your center has to anchor a defensive or the overall team defense will not be good. That's how valuable the position is.

Who was the "elite defensive C" on each of the other championships since 2016? I'll give you Gasol...who else?

2017 Warriors -- ? David West? Or Zaza?
2018 Warriors -- ? Looney?
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- ? Howard?
2021 Bucks -- ? Lopez?

Are you saying all these guys are elite defensive Cs? Or are you arguing for something else?

In the finals and Conference finals when it mattered most?

2017 Warriors -- Draymond
2018 Warriors -- Draymond
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- AD
2021 Bucks -- GA

See the pattern?

[Sandman88]

Boucher should have taken that ban like Ayton (PED) during 2019-2020, to gain 25 pounds: We would be set at Center.
The injury should make it a straight GTjr-for-Turner. He is the only center that fits what we need

That doesn’t make us better. Trent is one of our best shooters. It’ll create another hole for a center who has injury concerns, poor rebounder, inconsistent on offense.

[Yeezus_]

When's the last time a team without an elite defensive C won a championship? The Cavs in 2016 maybe? Your center has to anchor a defensive or the overall team defense will not be good. That's how valuable the position is.

Who was the "elite defensive C" on each of the other championships since 2016? I'll give you Gasol...who else?

2017 Warriors -- ? David West? Or Zaza?
2018 Warriors -- ? Looney?
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- ? Howard?
2021 Bucks -- ? Lopez?

Are you saying all these guys are elite defensive Cs? Or are you arguing for something else?

In the finals and Conference finals when it mattered most?

2017 Warriors -- Draymond
2018 Warriors -- Draymond
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- AD
2021 Bucks -- GA

See the pattern?

Yup and then you go back even more with Bosh anchoring the Heat defensively and Timmy with the Spurs.

[alienchild]

When's the last time a team without an elite defensive C won a championship? The Cavs in 2016 maybe? Your center has to anchor a defensive or the overall team defense will not be good. That's how valuable the position is.

Who was the "elite defensive C" on each of the other championships since 2016? I'll give you Gasol...who else?

2017 Warriors -- ? David West? Or Zaza?
2018 Warriors -- ? Looney?
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- ? Howard?
2021 Bucks -- ? Lopez?

Are you saying all these guys are elite defensive Cs? Or are you arguing for something else?

In the finals and Conference finals when it mattered most?

2017 Warriors -- Draymond
2018 Warriors -- Draymond
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- AD
2021 Bucks -- GA

See the pattern?

Rorschach test.

[Wannabe MEP]

When's the last time a team without an elite defensive C won a championship? The Cavs in 2016 maybe? Your center has to anchor a defensive or the overall team defense will not be good. That's how valuable the position is.

Who was the "elite defensive C" on each of the other championships since 2016? I'll give you Gasol...who else?

2017 Warriors -- ? David West? Or Zaza?
2018 Warriors -- ? Looney?
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- ? Howard?
2021 Bucks -- ? Lopez?

Are you saying all these guys are elite defensive Cs? Or are you arguing for something else?

In the finals and Conference finals when it mattered most?

2017 Warriors -- Draymond
2018 Warriors -- Draymond
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- AD
2021 Bucks -- GA

See the pattern?

So...mostly PFs, right?

[Johnny Bball]

Who was the "elite defensive C" on each of the other championships since 2016? I'll give you Gasol...who else?

2017 Warriors -- ? David West? Or Zaza?
2018 Warriors -- ? Looney?
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- ? Howard?
2021 Bucks -- ? Lopez?

Are you saying all these guys are elite defensive Cs? Or are you arguing for something else?

In the finals and Conference finals when it mattered most?

2017 Warriors -- Draymond
2018 Warriors -- Draymond
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- AD
2021 Bucks -- GA

See the pattern?

So...mostly PFs, right?

Smallball Cs, yes.

[ash_k]

Boucher should have taken that ban like Ayton (PED) during 2019-2020, to gain 25 pounds: We would be set at Center.
The injury should make it a straight GTjr-for-Turner. He is the only center that fits what we need

That doesn’t make us better. Trent is one of our best shooters. It’ll create another hole for a center who has injury concerns, poor rebounder, inconsistent on offense.

We were the second best team of a regular season with FVV, OG& Pascal as our starters and a Mark Gasol on his last legs: Having a center that can stretch, can physically defend centers one-on-one and can protect the rim is key to us. So yes it would make us better.

[Wannabe MEP]

In the finals and Conference finals when it mattered most?

2017 Warriors -- Draymond
2018 Warriors -- Draymond
2019 Raptors -- Gasol
2020 Lakers -- AD
2021 Bucks -- GA

See the pattern?

So...mostly PFs, right?

Smallball Cs, yes.

Well, yes. But on the roster as a PF, and mostly played PF, but versatile enough to play smallball C. The money/quality is in this more mobile/versatile PF defender that can stay with guards on the perimeter, rather than the behemoth Cs of yore. JB, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with this.

[Tha Cynic]

I'd much rather Lavert

Why? He's turning 28 this year and is pretty mediocre. I never understood the Lavert hype.

[RonaldArtest]

Unless he can be had for cheap count me out in the Myles Turner sweepstakes. He’s not the guy you move multiple picks for, too injury-prone and not a big enough difference maker.

[RonaldArtest]

I'd much rather Lavert

Why? He's turning 28 this year and is pretty mediocre. I never understood the Lavert hype.

My guess is he would be a relatively cheap get, and he provides some ball handling and play making from the second unit without having an albatross contract.

[Psubs]

Turner has a stress fracture in his foot. He's not being traded until the off-season.

[Yeezus_]

So...mostly PFs, right?

Smallball Cs, yes.

Well, yes. But on the roster as a PF, and mostly played PF, but versatile enough to play smallball C. The money/quality is in this more mobile/versatile PF defender that can stay with guards on the perimeter, rather than the behemoth Cs of yore. JB, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with this.

The whole point was to share why Sabonis isn't a great fit because:
1. We would have to give up a lot
2. He's not quick enough to guard perimeter players, nor is he a good interior defender.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd much rather Lavert

How do you see him in our lineup? 6th man? That could work. He's a talented player but I just hate how injury prone he is. He's on a pretty team friendly deal as well.

[KL78192020]

I'd much rather Lavert

Why? He's turning 28 this year and is pretty mediocre. I never understood the Lavert hype.

Is that too old now? I keep hearing how FVV and Siakam are still developing at that same age.

[pingpongrac]

I'd much rather Lavert

Why? He's turning 28 this year and is pretty mediocre. I never understood the Lavert hype.

Is that too old now? I keep hearing how FVV and Siakam are still developing at that same age.

There is a pretty big difference between keeping two players at 27 that we have groomed into all-star types over the past 5+ seasons and trading away assets to acquire an injury-prone volume scorer.

LeVert would be a nice piece to add for some bench help if we could get him for something small, but that's not happening. His 18M contract makes it virtually impossible unless Indiana wants to get out of his last year and takes Dragic's expiring plus Flynn or something along those lines.

[ash_k]

Why? He's turning 28 this year and is pretty mediocre. I never understood the Lavert hype.

Is that too old now? I keep hearing how FVV and Siakam are still developing at that same age.

There is a pretty big difference between keeping two players at 27 that we have groomed into all-star types over the past 5+ seasons and trading away assets to acquire an injury-prone volume scorer.

LeVert would be a nice piece to add for some bench help if we could get him for something small, but that's not happening. His 18M contract makes it virtually impossible unless Indiana wants to get out of his last year and takes Dragic's expiring plus Flynn or something along those lines.

if Myles is allegedly "injury-prone"(the stress fracture in his foot looks like the first serious one) then I dont know how you would call Levert
As injury-prone as it gets, going back to Michigan. The Brits would call him "a sicknote".
His last one with the Pacers was a stress fracture in back
Levert's injury record:

Spoiler:

11/23/2021 Back
11/10/2021 Back
10/16/2021 Back
05/16/2021 Migraine
05/13/2021 Knee
01/16/2021 Kidney
08/10/2020 Thigh
08/03/2020 Thigh
11/11/2019 Thumb
11/12/2018 Right Foot Dislocation
04/08/2018 Sore Foot
02/07/2018 Concussion
01/27/2018 Sore Groin
01/02/2018 Strained Left Groin
12/28/2017 Right Hip Pointer