[Shams] Christian Wood traded for 26th pick and players

[ForeverTFC]

Its normal for Raptors fans to downplay everyones players in the NBA When a team gets a good deal like the Mavs got....Same people that prop up a Thad young on his last legs as being this amazing player we added (Yes hes ok, But hes nothing special) Wanna bring down Woods who is a much better player then Thad at this point in their careers....One has room to grow and get better and the other will only decline as he ages....But somehow we got a good deal trading our pick away for Thad and Mavs did a horrible thing by giving their pick away...One a 18/10 guy who could be a starter and the other a 7PPG 8th man lol

Your argument would be taken more seriously if you don't blatantly fudge the facts and lie. We traded down 10 spots, the Mavs got no pick in return. Not the same.

MAVS are a Contending team with one of the best young players in NBA history....Why the hell would they care about a 26th-33rd Draft pick in a weak draft? What are you talking about lol....The 33rd pick this draft will do Nothing for the Raptors....20th Might get you a role player....Thats the point....Wood is better then any player in the 26th-60th range in this draft class

How convenient that the Mavs have the 26th pick in the draft.

[Clutch0z24]

Your argument would be taken more seriously if you don't blatantly fudge the facts and lie. We traded down 10 spots, the Mavs got no pick in return. Not the same.

MAVS are a Contending team with one of the best young players in NBA history....Why the hell would they care about a 26th-33rd Draft pick in a weak draft? What are you talking about lol....The 33rd pick this draft will do Nothing for the Raptors....20th Might get you a role player....Thats the point....Wood is better then any player in the 26th-60th range in this draft class

How convenient that the Mavs have the 26th pick in the draft.

Ok and what are you arguing? are you saying that the Mavs got worse with giving up NO players in their rotation and kept every player they used in the contending team they had that was one series away from going to the finals and a draft pick for a usefull 18/10 player who could get better since hes only 26 and now is playing with one of the best players in the NBA in Luka.....On every team he played for defenses could also focus only on him since his teams were garbage....That won't be the same with the Mavs....

So are you saying the 26th pick and scraps are more value then Woods? if so idk what to tell you...

You could argue that a 34 year old Thad who might not be here next year and getting the 33rd pick for 20 is a fair exchange....But if Thad walks and we miss out on a decent player and our 33rd busts...Then it was a waste

[Los_29]

Its normal for Raptors fans to downplay everyones players in the NBA When a team gets a good deal like the Mavs got....Same people that prop up a Thad young on his last legs as being this amazing player we added (Yes hes ok, But hes nothing special) Wanna bring down Woods who is a much better player then Thad at this point in their careers....One has room to grow and get better and the other will only decline as he ages....But somehow we got a good deal trading our pick away for Thad and Mavs did a horrible thing by giving their pick away...One a 18/10 guy who could be a starter and the other a 7PPG 8th man lol

Your argument would be taken more seriously if you don't blatantly fudge the facts and lie. We traded down 10 spots, the Mavs got no pick in return. Not the same.

MAVS are a Contending team with one of the best young players in NBA history....Why the hell would they care about a 26th-33rd Draft pick in a weak draft? What are you talking about lol....The 33rd pick this draft will do Nothing for the Raptors....20th Might get you a role player....Thats the point....Wood is better then any player in the 26th-60th range in this draft class

Why would the 20th pick get you a role player but not the 33rd pick?

[Jadoogar]

Wood is the definition of empty stats.

He's been on bad teams for most of his career, i think it's unfair to ask him to carry a bad team, he's not that good. The rockets were trying to lose and he still averaged 18ppg on 59TS%

Mavericks essentially gave up nothing for a 18/10 guy, the 26th pick is unlikely to amount to much, at least in short term. If it doesn't work, he's an expiring. no risk, high reward.

[Johnny Bball]

Its normal for Raptors fans to downplay everyones players in the NBA When a team gets a good deal like the Mavs got....Same people that prop up a Thad young on his last legs as being this amazing player we added (Yes hes ok, But hes nothing special) Wanna bring down Woods who is a much better player then Thad at this point in their careers....One has room to grow and get better and the other will only decline as he ages....But somehow we got a good deal trading our pick away for Thad and Mavs did a horrible thing by giving their pick away...One a 18/10 guy who could be a starter and the other a 7PPG 8th man lol

Your argument would be taken more seriously if you don't blatantly fudge the facts and lie. We traded down 10 spots, the Mavs got no pick in return. Not the same.

MAVS are a Contending team with one of the best young players in NBA history....Why the hell would they care about a 26th-33rd Draft pick in a weak draft? What are you talking about lol....The 33rd pick this draft will do Nothing for the Raptors....20th Might get you a role player....Thats the point....Wood is better then any player in the 26th-60th range in this draft class

Based on the number of players that are better prospects than wood ever was between 26 and 40+, that's pretty much going to be impossible. This draft is deep in role player talent, and Christian Wood is also a role player. He's likely not putting up 18/10 on a good team.

And draft picks aren't UFAs soon and paid extremely within a year, just for the cap angle.

[Snowwy]

Are we sure that Wood is a more valuable NBA player than Kleber? After watching the playoffs, I'm not so sure. Imagine attacking him and Luka in the pick and roll. It's just such a weird trade because Dallas is a team that plays hard defence - Wood is not a fit with that mentality.

Uh, yes? Kleber just turned 30, was 53.7% TS last year, along with -0.4 Box +/-. It's arguably the worst season of his career, his game fell off significantly.

At 26, Christian Wood is nearly 4 years younger than Kleber. He played on one of the worst teams in the league and still put up 59.5% TS, +1.6 Box +/-, 39% 3 point percentage while averaging a double double with 17.9 PPG, 10.1 RPG in only 6.2 MPG more than Kleber.

Yes, Wood looks like a worse defender than Kleber, but I can't believe we're actually at the point where a player averaging 18/10 on good percentages is somehow less valuable than a guy averaging 7/6 off the bench on bad percentages.

Its normal for Raptors fans to downplay everyones players in the NBA When a team gets a good deal like the Mavs got....Same people that prop up a Thad young on his last legs as being this amazing player we added (Yes hes ok, But hes nothing special) Wanna bring down Woods who is a much better player then Thad at this point in their careers....One has room to grow and get better and the other will only decline as he ages....But somehow we got a good deal trading our pick away for Thad and Mavs did a horrible thing by giving their pick away...One a 18/10 guy who could be a starter and the other a 7PPG 8th man lol

Interesting that you seem to think there is only one end of the court. Sounds kinda like Christian Wood.

Simple facts are wrong in your post and no mention of half of the game. Kleber just played significant NBA playoff minutes and mattered in the second round of the playoffs. No one wants Wood. I don't think there is as much of a difference in the NBA as you seem to think. Did you have a chance to see the graphic that showed that Wood was literally the worst big man to play with in the NBA last year for PGs and SGs on his team?

Also, not sure if you were referring to my post or just the thread in general, but I don't think Dallas did a bad thing to trade 26, I just don't think Wood moves the needle much. Turns out a lot of NBA experts said the same thing, I saw today after my post. The ones that watch a lot of games, not Stephen A or Shaq.

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[Clutch0z24]

Uh, yes? Kleber just turned 30, was 53.7% TS last year, along with -0.4 Box +/-. It's arguably the worst season of his career, his game fell off significantly.

At 26, Christian Wood is nearly 4 years younger than Kleber. He played on one of the worst teams in the league and still put up 59.5% TS, +1.6 Box +/-, 39% 3 point percentage while averaging a double double with 17.9 PPG, 10.1 RPG in only 6.2 MPG more than Kleber.

Yes, Wood looks like a worse defender than Kleber, but I can't believe we're actually at the point where a player averaging 18/10 on good percentages is somehow less valuable than a guy averaging 7/6 off the bench on bad percentages.

Its normal for Raptors fans to downplay everyones players in the NBA When a team gets a good deal like the Mavs got....Same people that prop up a Thad young on his last legs as being this amazing player we added (Yes hes ok, But hes nothing special) Wanna bring down Woods who is a much better player then Thad at this point in their careers....One has room to grow and get better and the other will only decline as he ages....But somehow we got a good deal trading our pick away for Thad and Mavs did a horrible thing by giving their pick away...One a 18/10 guy who could be a starter and the other a 7PPG 8th man lol

Interesting that you seem to think there is only one end of the court. Sounds kinda like Christian Wood.

Simple facts are wrong in your post and no mention of half of the game. Kleber just played significant NBA playoff minutes and mattered in the second round of the playoffs. No one wants Wood. I don't think there is as much of a difference in the NBA as you seem to think. Did you have a chance to see the graphic that showed that Wood was literally the worst big man to play with in the NBA last year for PGs and SGs on his team?

Also, not sure if you were referring to my post or just the thread in general, but I don't think Dallas did a bad thing to trade 26, I just don't think Wood moves the needle much. Turns out a lot of NBA experts said the same thing, I saw today after my post. The ones that watch a lot of games, not Stephen A or Shaq.

Last thing ill say on this....If Woods for 26 is a bad trade 20 for Thad was the worst move in the history of all NBA trades...33rd pick does not matter man ...If you guys think there are that many usefull NBA players in the draft more power to ya....Especially at 33...

The draft is all luck and in every draft you get about 2-3 all stars if your lucky, 1 generational player if lucky, And about 5 Really good role players if lucky....And the rest are fringe NBA players or see themselves out the league once their contract is up...

If you can get a guy who put up 18/10 in the NBA for a pick that low you do it everytime....Idc if hes on a bad team putting up 18/10 in the best league in the world is not easy....If you can get a good player for a pick that might end up being a G-leaguer or most likely then good on you....

If you think the Raps will strike gold at 33 the chances are astronomically low for that to happen....There are not 33 role players in this draft let alone The raptors be the ones to select the diamond all star at 33 lol chances are slim fella...But carry on

[douggood]

The statline of Christian Wood's opposing center for a 2 month stretch of games


Dec 22 2021: Cousins starts and scores 18 points on 7/13 shooting
Dec 23 2021: Turner scores 32 on 14/18 shooting
Dec 27 2021: Plumee scores 15 on 7/7 shooting
Dec 28 2021: Lebron starts at center (technically) and scores a 30 point triple double
Dec 31 2021: Yurtseven scores 10 on 5/11
Jan 1 2022: Jokic with a 24 point triple double in 25 min
Jan 5 2022: Kuzma (played mostly center this game with 43 min) scores 24 on 9/20
Jan 7 2022: Powell scores 15 on 6/8
Jan 9 2022: KAT scores 40 on 15/25
Jan 10 2022: Embiid scores 31 on 9/16 in 26 min
Jan 12 2022: Poetl scores 13 on 4/5
Jan 14 2022: Marvin Bagley scores 26 on 12/20
Jan 16 2022: Metu with 14 points on 6/14 (Bagley didnt play)
Jan 19 2022: Gobert scores 23 on 9/13
Jan 21 2022: Looney with 8 points on 3/3
Jan 25 2022: Poetl with 18 on 9/13
Jan 28 2022: Nurkic scores 25 on 8/11
Jan 31 2022: Looney scores 7 on 3/6
Feb 2 2022: Mobley scores 29 on 12/20
Feb 4 2022: Poetl scores 21 on 9/15
Feb 6 2022: JV scores 18 on 5/10
Feb 8 2022: JV scores 13 on 5/7
Feb 10 2022: Siakam scores 30 on 13/19 and Boucher scores 16 on 4/8 (depending on who you want to say played center)
Feb 14 2022: Gobert scores 14 on 7/8
Feb 17 2022: Zubac scores 13 on 6/10 in 22 min
Feb 25th: WCJ scores 24 on 9/11
Feb 27: Zubac scores 14 on 5/5
March 1st: Zubac scores 22 on 8/12
March 2: Gobert scores 27 on 12/14
March 4: Cousins scores 31 on 10/14 in 23 min
March 6: Steven Adams scores 23 on 9/11

not my research; saw this on
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vdxuqv/the_statline_of_christian_woods_opposing_center/

[KL78192020]

Your argument would be taken more seriously if you don't blatantly fudge the facts and lie. We traded down 10 spots, the Mavs got no pick in return. Not the same.

MAVS are a Contending team with one of the best young players in NBA history....Why the hell would they care about a 26th-33rd Draft pick in a weak draft? What are you talking about lol....The 33rd pick this draft will do Nothing for the Raptors....20th Might get you a role player....Thats the point....Wood is better then any player in the 26th-60th range in this draft class

Based on the number of players that are better prospects than wood ever was between 26 and 40+, that's pretty much going to be impossible. This draft is deep in role player talent, and Christian Wood is also a role player. He's likely not putting up 18/10 on a good team.

And draft picks aren't UFAs soon and paid extremely within a year, just for the cap angle.

its one thing to be a prospect another to pan out. History of the 26th pick. Maybe 3-4 guys better than Wood on that list.

Nah’Shon Hyland Denver Nuggets Virginia Commonwealth 2021
Payton Pritchard Boston Celtics Oregon 2020
Dylan Windler Cleveland Cavaliers Belmont 2019
Landry Shamet Philadelphia 76ers Wichita State 2018
Caleb Swanigan Portland Trail Blazers Purdue 2017
Furkan Korkmaz Philadelphia 76ers Anadolu Efes S.K. (Turkey) 2016
Nikola Milutinov San Antonio Spurs KK Partizan (Serbia) 2015
PJ Hairston Miami Heat Texas Legends (D-League) 2014
Andre Roberson Minnesota Timberwolves Colorado 2013
Miles Plumlee Indiana Pacers Duke 2012
Jordan Hamilton Dallas Mavericks Texas 2011
Quincy Pondexter Oklahoma City Thunder Washington 2010
Taj Gibson Chicago Bulls Southern California 2009
George Hill San Antonio Spurs IUPUI 2008
Aaron Brooks Houston Rockets Oregon 2007
Jordan Farmar Los Angeles Lakers California-Los Angeles 2006
Jason Maxiell Detroit Pistons Cincinnati 2005
Kevin Martin Sacramento Kings Western Carolina 2004
Ndudi Ebi Minnesota Timberwolves Westbury Christian School 2003
John Salmons San Antonio Spurs Miami (FL) 2002
Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia 76ers Seton Hall 2001
Mamadou N’diaye Denver Nuggets Auburn 2000
Vonteego Cummings Indiana Pacers Pittsburgh 1999
Sam Jacobson Los Angeles Lakers Minnesota 1998
Charles Smith Miami Heat New Mexico 1997
Jerome Williams Detroit Pistons Georgetown 1996
Sherell Ford Seattle SuperSonics Illinois-Chicago 1995
Charlie Ward New York Knicks Florida State 1994
Geert Hammink Orlando Magic Louisiana State 1993
Dave Johnson Portland Trail Blazers Syracuse 1992
Mark Randall Chicago Bulls Kansas 1991
Lance Blanks Detroit Pistons Texas 1990

[Los_29]

Its normal for Raptors fans to downplay everyones players in the NBA When a team gets a good deal like the Mavs got....Same people that prop up a Thad young on his last legs as being this amazing player we added (Yes hes ok, But hes nothing special) Wanna bring down Woods who is a much better player then Thad at this point in their careers....One has room to grow and get better and the other will only decline as he ages....But somehow we got a good deal trading our pick away for Thad and Mavs did a horrible thing by giving their pick away...One a 18/10 guy who could be a starter and the other a 7PPG 8th man lol

Interesting that you seem to think there is only one end of the court. Sounds kinda like Christian Wood.

Simple facts are wrong in your post and no mention of half of the game. Kleber just played significant NBA playoff minutes and mattered in the second round of the playoffs. No one wants Wood. I don't think there is as much of a difference in the NBA as you seem to think. Did you have a chance to see the graphic that showed that Wood was literally the worst big man to play with in the NBA last year for PGs and SGs on his team?

Also, not sure if you were referring to my post or just the thread in general, but I don't think Dallas did a bad thing to trade 26, I just don't think Wood moves the needle much. Turns out a lot of NBA experts said the same thing, I saw today after my post. The ones that watch a lot of games, not Stephen A or Shaq.

Last thing ill say on this....If Woods for 26 is a bad trade 20 for Thad was the worst move in the history of all NBA trades...33rd pick does not matter man ...If you guys think there are that many usefull NBA players in the draft more power to ya....Especially at 33...

The draft is all luck and in every draft you get about 2-3 all stars if your lucky, 1 generational player if lucky, And about 5 Really good role players if lucky....And the rest are fringe NBA players or see themselves out the league once their contract is up...

If you can get a guy who put up 18/10 in the NBA for a pick that low you do it everytime....Idc if hes on a bad team putting up 18/10 in the best league in the world is not easy....If you can get a good player for a pick that might end up being a G-leaguer or most likely then good on you....

If you think the Raps will strike gold at 33 the chances are astronomically low for that to happen....There are not 33 role players in this draft let alone The raptors be the ones to select the diamond all star at 33 lol chances are slim fella...But carry on

You’re full of contradictions.

Christian Wood is not a good basketball player. The fact you can’t see this is concerning.

We didn’t trade the 20th pick outright. We dropped down 13 spots in the draft. We got a player that makes more of an impact on winning than Christian Wood. 18/10 means nothing in this league. Enes Kanter, JV, Hassan Whiteside, Andre Drummond can also put up great numbers and yet none of them have any value in this league.

If you think that there is a big difference between 20 and 33 then you are grossly misinformed. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum.

[DreamTeam09]

MAVS are a Contending team with one of the best young players in NBA history....Why the hell would they care about a 26th-33rd Draft pick in a weak draft? What are you talking about lol....The 33rd pick this draft will do Nothing for the Raptors....20th Might get you a role player....Thats the point....Wood is better then any player in the 26th-60th range in this draft class

Based on the number of players that are better prospects than wood ever was between 26 and 40+, that's pretty much going to be impossible. This draft is deep in role player talent, and Christian Wood is also a role player. He's likely not putting up 18/10 on a good team.

And draft picks aren't UFAs soon and paid extremely within a year, just for the cap angle.

its one thing to be a prospect another to pan out. History of the 26th pick. Maybe 3-4 guys better than Wood on that list.

Nah’Shon Hyland Denver Nuggets Virginia Commonwealth 2021
Payton Pritchard Boston Celtics Oregon 2020
Dylan Windler Cleveland Cavaliers Belmont 2019
Landry Shamet Philadelphia 76ers Wichita State 2018
Caleb Swanigan Portland Trail Blazers Purdue 2017
Furkan Korkmaz Philadelphia 76ers Anadolu Efes S.K. (Turkey) 2016
Nikola Milutinov San Antonio Spurs KK Partizan (Serbia) 2015
PJ Hairston Miami Heat Texas Legends (D-League) 2014
Andre Roberson Minnesota Timberwolves Colorado 2013
Miles Plumlee Indiana Pacers Duke 2012
Jordan Hamilton Dallas Mavericks Texas 2011
Quincy Pondexter Oklahoma City Thunder Washington 2010
Taj Gibson Chicago Bulls Southern California 2009
George Hill San Antonio Spurs IUPUI 2008
Aaron Brooks Houston Rockets Oregon 2007
Jordan Farmar Los Angeles Lakers California-Los Angeles 2006
Jason Maxiell Detroit Pistons Cincinnati 2005
Kevin Martin Sacramento Kings Western Carolina 2004
Ndudi Ebi Minnesota Timberwolves Westbury Christian School 2003
John Salmons San Antonio Spurs Miami (FL) 2002
Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia 76ers Seton Hall 2001
Mamadou N’diaye Denver Nuggets Auburn 2000
Vonteego Cummings Indiana Pacers Pittsburgh 1999
Sam Jacobson Los Angeles Lakers Minnesota 1998
Charles Smith Miami Heat New Mexico 1997
Jerome Williams Detroit Pistons Georgetown 1996
Sherell Ford Seattle SuperSonics Illinois-Chicago 1995
Charlie Ward New York Knicks Florida State 1994
Geert Hammink Orlando Magic Louisiana State 1993
Dave Johnson Portland Trail Blazers Syracuse 1992
Mark Randall Chicago Bulls Kansas 1991
Lance Blanks Detroit Pistons Texas 1990

CW was undrafted - so this whole notion of "Good luck finding player x at a low draft spot" is very misleading, when the said player being discussed was an UDFA who bounced around the league for 4-5yrs before finding a home.

Finding someone ready to contribute right away is a totally different thing tho....

I think CW is a good player and a great fit on the Mavs considering Powell played the most minutes at C for them last year

[OakleyDokely]

Wood is the definition of empty stats.

He's been on bad teams for most of his career, i think it's unfair to ask him to carry a bad team, he's not that good. The rockets were trying to lose and he still averaged 18ppg on 59TS%

Mavericks essentially gave up nothing for a 18/10 guy, the 26th pick is unlikely to amount to much, at least in short term. If it doesn't work, he's an expiring. no risk, high reward.

It's a low risk move for the Mavs, I agee. I just don't like him as a player. He's one of the worst defensive players in the entire league and whatever he does offensively is negated by what he gives back defensively.

[Clutch0z24]

Interesting that you seem to think there is only one end of the court. Sounds kinda like Christian Wood.

Simple facts are wrong in your post and no mention of half of the game. Kleber just played significant NBA playoff minutes and mattered in the second round of the playoffs. No one wants Wood. I don't think there is as much of a difference in the NBA as you seem to think. Did you have a chance to see the graphic that showed that Wood was literally the worst big man to play with in the NBA last year for PGs and SGs on his team?

Also, not sure if you were referring to my post or just the thread in general, but I don't think Dallas did a bad thing to trade 26, I just don't think Wood moves the needle much. Turns out a lot of NBA experts said the same thing, I saw today after my post. The ones that watch a lot of games, not Stephen A or Shaq.

Last thing ill say on this....If Woods for 26 is a bad trade 20 for Thad was the worst move in the history of all NBA trades...33rd pick does not matter man ...If you guys think there are that many usefull NBA players in the draft more power to ya....Especially at 33...

The draft is all luck and in every draft you get about 2-3 all stars if your lucky, 1 generational player if lucky, And about 5 Really good role players if lucky....And the rest are fringe NBA players or see themselves out the league once their contract is up...

If you can get a guy who put up 18/10 in the NBA for a pick that low you do it everytime....Idc if hes on a bad team putting up 18/10 in the best league in the world is not easy....If you can get a good player for a pick that might end up being a G-leaguer or most likely then good on you....

If you think the Raps will strike gold at 33 the chances are astronomically low for that to happen....There are not 33 role players in this draft let alone The raptors be the ones to select the diamond all star at 33 lol chances are slim fella...But carry on

You’re full of contradictions.

Christian Wood is not a good basketball player. The fact you can’t see this is concerning.

We didn’t trade the 20th pick outright. We dropped down 13 spots in the draft. We got a player that makes more of an impact on winning than Christian Wood. 18/10 means nothing in this league. Enes Kanter, JV, Hassan Whiteside, Andre Drummond can also put up great numbers and yet none of them have any value in this league.

If you think that there is a big difference between 20 and 33 then you are grossly misinformed. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum.

Lol your takes are pretty bad most the time so i will not listen to nonsense....Wood is "Not a good basketball player" yet is in the NBA And a starter level type of guy and put up 18/10....JV Has no value? JV had one of the best seasons of his career this year and is a huge part of the Pelicans team....

Bud the chances of you getting any value player with a 33rd pick or a 20th pick is rare...Wood will be better then 60-70 percent of this draft class and the 33rd pick in this draft will do NOTHING for the Raptors this upcoming season....The player will be a 905er and might crack the rotation in a few years if lucky....

Look at the history of these picks lol....If you can get a Christian Wood who you know can put up 18/10 or take a gamble on a guy who might be out the league or have a 5 percent chance to become as good as Christian Wood id rather take Wood

[Johnny Bball]

MAVS are a Contending team with one of the best young players in NBA history....Why the hell would they care about a 26th-33rd Draft pick in a weak draft? What are you talking about lol....The 33rd pick this draft will do Nothing for the Raptors....20th Might get you a role player....Thats the point....Wood is better then any player in the 26th-60th range in this draft class

Based on the number of players that are better prospects than wood ever was between 26 and 40+, that's pretty much going to be impossible. This draft is deep in role player talent, and Christian Wood is also a role player. He's likely not putting up 18/10 on a good team.

And draft picks aren't UFAs soon and paid extremely within a year, just for the cap angle.

its one thing to be a prospect another to pan out. History of the 26th pick. Maybe 3-4 guys better than Wood on that list.

Nah’Shon Hyland Denver Nuggets Virginia Commonwealth 2021
Payton Pritchard Boston Celtics Oregon 2020
Dylan Windler Cleveland Cavaliers Belmont 2019
Landry Shamet Philadelphia 76ers Wichita State 2018
Caleb Swanigan Portland Trail Blazers Purdue 2017
Furkan Korkmaz Philadelphia 76ers Anadolu Efes S.K. (Turkey) 2016
Nikola Milutinov San Antonio Spurs KK Partizan (Serbia) 2015
PJ Hairston Miami Heat Texas Legends (D-League) 2014
Andre Roberson Minnesota Timberwolves Colorado 2013
Miles Plumlee Indiana Pacers Duke 2012
Jordan Hamilton Dallas Mavericks Texas 2011
Quincy Pondexter Oklahoma City Thunder Washington 2010
Taj Gibson Chicago Bulls Southern California 2009
George Hill San Antonio Spurs IUPUI 2008
Aaron Brooks Houston Rockets Oregon 2007
Jordan Farmar Los Angeles Lakers California-Los Angeles 2006
Jason Maxiell Detroit Pistons Cincinnati 2005
Kevin Martin Sacramento Kings Western Carolina 2004
Ndudi Ebi Minnesota Timberwolves Westbury Christian School 2003
John Salmons San Antonio Spurs Miami (FL) 2002
Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia 76ers Seton Hall 2001
Mamadou N’diaye Denver Nuggets Auburn 2000
Vonteego Cummings Indiana Pacers Pittsburgh 1999
Sam Jacobson Los Angeles Lakers Minnesota 1998
Charles Smith Miami Heat New Mexico 1997
Jerome Williams Detroit Pistons Georgetown 1996
Sherell Ford Seattle SuperSonics Illinois-Chicago 1995
Charlie Ward New York Knicks Florida State 1994
Geert Hammink Orlando Magic Louisiana State 1993
Dave Johnson Portland Trail Blazers Syracuse 1992
Mark Randall Chicago Bulls Kansas 1991
Lance Blanks Detroit Pistons Texas 1990

and that would be great if I wasn't talking about 24 draft slots in a very different year.

[Johnny Bball]

Last thing ill say on this....If Woods for 26 is a bad trade 20 for Thad was the worst move in the history of all NBA trades...33rd pick does not matter man ...If you guys think there are that many usefull NBA players in the draft more power to ya....Especially at 33...

The draft is all luck and in every draft you get about 2-3 all stars if your lucky, 1 generational player if lucky, And about 5 Really good role players if lucky....And the rest are fringe NBA players or see themselves out the league once their contract is up...

If you can get a guy who put up 18/10 in the NBA for a pick that low you do it everytime....Idc if hes on a bad team putting up 18/10 in the best league in the world is not easy....If you can get a good player for a pick that might end up being a G-leaguer or most likely then good on you....

If you think the Raps will strike gold at 33 the chances are astronomically low for that to happen....There are not 33 role players in this draft let alone The raptors be the ones to select the diamond all star at 33 lol chances are slim fella...But carry on

You’re full of contradictions.

Christian Wood is not a good basketball player. The fact you can’t see this is concerning.

We didn’t trade the 20th pick outright. We dropped down 13 spots in the draft. We got a player that makes more of an impact on winning than Christian Wood. 18/10 means nothing in this league. Enes Kanter, JV, Hassan Whiteside, Andre Drummond can also put up great numbers and yet none of them have any value in this league.

If you think that there is a big difference between 20 and 33 then you are grossly misinformed. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum.

Lol your takes are pretty bad most the time so i will not listen to nonsense....Wood is "Not a good basketball player" yet is in the NBA And a starter level type of guy and put up 18/10....JV Has no value? JV had one of the best seasons of his career this year and is a huge part of the Pelicans team....

Bud the chances of you getting any value player with a 33rd pick or a 20th pick is rare...Wood will be better then 60-70 percent of this draft class and the 33rd pick in this draft will do NOTHING for the Raptors this upcoming season....The player will be a 905er and might crack the rotation in a few years if lucky....

Look at the history of these picks lol....If you can get a Christian Wood who you know can put up 18/10 or take a gamble on a guy who might be out the league or have a 5 percent chance to become as good as Christian Wood id rather take Wood

Just wow....

[ciueli]

What you guys don't seem to want to bring up with respect to Christian Wood is that it's impossible to be a good defensive player when you're surrounded by bad defensive players.

Eric Gordon has a 121 Defensive Rating which is literally the worst rating of any player who played significant minutes in the entire league. Jalen Green is 3rd worst in that same category at 120, basically 2 of the 3 worst guards in the entire league who played 1000+ minutes this season.

Individual players don't play defence in the modern NBA, teams play defence. Houston is one of the worst defensive teams in the entire league, they were 29th in defensive efficiency, ahead of only Portland, another team with brutally bad defensive guards. But somehow Christian Wood gets all the blame in an era where most teams employ switching defences.

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Last thing ill say on this....If Woods for 26 is a bad trade 20 for Thad was the worst move in the history of all NBA trades...33rd pick does not matter man ...If you guys think there are that many usefull NBA players in the draft more power to ya....Especially at 33...

The draft is all luck and in every draft you get about 2-3 all stars if your lucky, 1 generational player if lucky, And about 5 Really good role players if lucky....And the rest are fringe NBA players or see themselves out the league once their contract is up...

If you can get a guy who put up 18/10 in the NBA for a pick that low you do it everytime....Idc if hes on a bad team putting up 18/10 in the best league in the world is not easy....If you can get a good player for a pick that might end up being a G-leaguer or most likely then good on you....

If you think the Raps will strike gold at 33 the chances are astronomically low for that to happen....There are not 33 role players in this draft let alone The raptors be the ones to select the diamond all star at 33 lol chances are slim fella...But carry on

You’re full of contradictions.

Christian Wood is not a good basketball player. The fact you can’t see this is concerning.

We didn’t trade the 20th pick outright. We dropped down 13 spots in the draft. We got a player that makes more of an impact on winning than Christian Wood. 18/10 means nothing in this league. Enes Kanter, JV, Hassan Whiteside, Andre Drummond can also put up great numbers and yet none of them have any value in this league.

If you think that there is a big difference between 20 and 33 then you are grossly misinformed. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum.

Lol your takes are pretty bad most the time so i will not listen to nonsense....Wood is "Not a good basketball player" yet is in the NBA And a starter level type of guy and put up 18/10....JV Has no value? JV had one of the best seasons of his career this year and is a huge part of the Pelicans team....

Bud the chances of you getting any value player with a 33rd pick or a 20th pick is rare...Wood will be better then 60-70 percent of this draft class and the 33rd pick in this draft will do NOTHING for the Raptors this upcoming season....The player will be a 905er and might crack the rotation in a few years if lucky....

Look at the history of these picks lol....If you can get a Christian Wood who you know can put up 18/10 or take a gamble on a guy who might be out the league or have a 5 percent chance to become as good as Christian Wood id rather take Wood

My takes have been pretty bad? Is it because you don’t agree with them? I along with many others have been right a lot more than we’ve been wrong. Can’t say the same for some others on here though. It’s not hard to be right on here when you apply common sense and others don’t.

You haven’t watched Wood play. You’re just looking at his box score statistics. That alone is a recipe for disaster. Guy is 27 years old and is now going to his 7th team. He’s been let go by teams that are rebuilding. If Wood was any good he would’ve been retained. But he wasn’t because he’s got questionable character and is a terrible defensive player.

JV was traded by the Grizzlies so they could move up to draft Zaire Williams. By getting rid of JV they won like 56 games. Huge part of the Pelicans? Nance was playing in crunch time over JV. Once again, stop looking at box score stats.

So you’ve looked at the history of picks then? Then you must love the Thad deal.

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What you guys don't seem to want to bring up with respect to Christian Wood is that it's impossible to be a good defensive player when you're surrounded by bad defensive players.

Eric Gordon has a 121 Defensive Rating which is literally the worst rating of any player who played significant minutes in the entire league. Jalen Green is 3rd worst in that same category at 120, basically 2 of the 3 worst guards in the entire league who played 1000+ minutes this season.

Individual players don't play defence in the modern NBA, teams play defence. Houston is one of the worst defensive teams in the entire league, they were 29th in defensive efficiency, ahead of only Portland, another team with brutally bad defensive guards. But somehow Christian Wood gets all the blame in an era where most teams employ switching defences.

He was bad defensively long before Houston

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You’re full of contradictions.

Christian Wood is not a good basketball player. The fact you can’t see this is concerning.

We didn’t trade the 20th pick outright. We dropped down 13 spots in the draft. We got a player that makes more of an impact on winning than Christian Wood. 18/10 means nothing in this league. Enes Kanter, JV, Hassan Whiteside, Andre Drummond can also put up great numbers and yet none of them have any value in this league.

If you think that there is a big difference between 20 and 33 then you are grossly misinformed. This has been discussed numerous times on this forum.

Lol your takes are pretty bad most the time so i will not listen to nonsense....Wood is "Not a good basketball player" yet is in the NBA And a starter level type of guy and put up 18/10....JV Has no value? JV had one of the best seasons of his career this year and is a huge part of the Pelicans team....

Bud the chances of you getting any value player with a 33rd pick or a 20th pick is rare...Wood will be better then 60-70 percent of this draft class and the 33rd pick in this draft will do NOTHING for the Raptors this upcoming season....The player will be a 905er and might crack the rotation in a few years if lucky....

Look at the history of these picks lol....If you can get a Christian Wood who you know can put up 18/10 or take a gamble on a guy who might be out the league or have a 5 percent chance to become as good as Christian Wood id rather take Wood

My takes have been pretty bad? Is it because you don’t agree with them? I along with many others have been right a lot more than we’ve been wrong. Can’t say the same for some others on here though. It’s not hard to be right on here when you apply common sense and others don’t.

You haven’t watched Wood play. You’re just looking at his box score statistics. That alone is a recipe for disaster. Guy is 27 years old and is now going to his 7th team. He’s been let go by teams that are rebuilding. If Wood was any good he would’ve been retained. But he wasn’t because he’s got questionable character and is a terrible defensive player.

JV was traded by the Grizzlies so they could move up to draft Zaire Williams. By getting rid of JV they won like 56 games. Once again, stop looking at box score stats.

So you’ve looked at the history of picks then? Then you must love the Thad deal.

Saying a big man who can get you 18/10 has no value in the league is just a dumb statement.....We have no real big man and it hurts us lots of times especially in the playoffs when we get out rebounded and get dominated by the likes of the Embiids of the world.....

Your point would be valid if the Mavs gave up a Finney Smith or a Brunson or any player that they had where they went to the NBA Finals almost you could make an argument at this being a bad trade for the Mavs....

They literally gave up nothing and a 26th pick (Like i said if you look up the draft history low picks tend to not turn out well for most) for a player that they can use and can develop his game....Like others have pointed out defensive woes could also be a tribute for the teams hes been on where they do not play defense and are tanking teams....

Now he is on a contending team so we will see how his game is played here on out....You can judge him with his performance on the Mavs....

And the Thad trade is different from this because Thad is 34 years old and does not have much left in the tank ...Wood has many years left