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The already approaching roster crunch

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The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#1 » by bluerap23 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:26 pm

Just looking at our current situation approaching Thursday. Between fully guaranteed, partial guarantees and our own free agents we are rumoured to want to retain (and hopes of adding one new free agent) we are already up against a max roster without a contract for Koloko. It could mean Koloko will be offered the second two-way. The roster crunch doesn't bode well for fringe guys like Armoni Brooks, David Johnson, Jalen Harris and even Svi who could get cut just to make room. This may increase the odds for an off-season trade to help deal with the crunch as well.

Fully Guaranteed (9)

Pascal Siakam
Fred VanVleet
OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr
Scottie Barnes
Khem Birch
Precious Achiuwa
Malachi Flynn
Svi Mykhailiuk

Partial Guarantees (2)
Dalano Banton
Armoni Brooks

Free Agents we’d like to bring back (3)
Chris Boucher
Thad Young
Justin Champaignie

MLE FA (1)

Two-way
Ron Harper Jr.

Unsigned Draft Pick
Christian Koloko

That is 17 guys without David Johnson or Jalen Harris (who seems unlikely now).
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Post#2 » by Godaddycurse » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:28 pm

send another team 2.5M to absorb and cut Svi. They cash in 500k for their troubles, we get more room under the tax
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Post#3 » by Raptorfan2012 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:29 pm

Brooks is probably gone (probably replaced by the MLE). Banton will probably be kept. Svi can be cut if needed (we just owe him that $1.9M for the season).
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Re: The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#4 » by Brinbe » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:32 pm

at some point they need to start consolidating assets.

as others have said, at worst just waive svi and brooks is probably gone.
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Post#5 » by Godaddycurse » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:37 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote: Svi can be cut if needed (we just owe him that $1.9M for the season).


It's better to trade Svi away to be cut by another team so his money is not on our books
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Post#6 » by Raptorfan2012 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:41 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote: Svi can be cut if needed (we just owe him that $1.9M for the season).


It's better to trade Svi away to be cut by another team so his money is not on our books


Agreed if we can find a trade partner for Svi. If not, we can still keep Svi for now unless we really need to open a roster spot.
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Post#7 » by alienchild » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:44 pm

Crikey , change your diaper. This not a problem that the FO is unaware of, and has many ways to resolve. Not worth a thread.
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Re: The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#8 » by C_Money » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:49 pm

There will be a trade or 2 this summer IMO.
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Post#9 » by Morse Code » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:54 pm

So many guys that bring no value whatsoever. Keep champagne and Banton but IMO get rid of Svi, Flynn, Thad, Brooks. I forget who else, but these guys do nothing for us long term and hold no value around the league. I'm surprised so many ppl want to bring Thad back too.



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Re: The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#10 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:55 pm

Brinbe wrote:at some point they need to start consolidating assets.

as others have said, at worst just waive svi and brooks is probably gone.


Kinda hard when the assets you want to consolidate, suck.
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Post#11 » by KL78192020 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:06 pm

Brinbe wrote:at some point they need to start consolidating assets.

as others have said, at worst just waive svi and brooks is probably gone.


Some of these guys have little to no value in Brooks, Svi, Flynn, Birch. They could just get waived.
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Post#12 » by brownbobcat » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:07 pm

bluerap23 wrote:Just looking at our current situation approaching Thursday. Between fully guaranteed, partial guarantees and our own free agents we are rumoured to want to retain (and hopes of adding one new free agent) we are already up against a max roster without a contract for Koloko. It could mean Koloko will be offered the second two-way. The roster crunch doesn't bode well for fringe guys like Armoni Brooks, David Johnson, Jalen Harris and even Svi who could get cut just to make room. This may increase the odds for an off-season trade to help deal with the crunch as well.


Harris isn't reinstated yet so they don't have to worry about him. I'm not sure they want to guarantee Brooks' 1.75M unless he blows the doors off during pre-season and they probably keep Svi for trade ballast so that's:

9 guaranteed + Banton, Koloko, 2 of Boucher/Thad/MLE

That brings us to 13, so they could keep Brooks/Champagnie unless something better comes along. Plus there's also the "injury" list.
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Re: The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#13 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:11 pm

How many guys on a roster now

15 plus 2 x 2 ways?
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Re: The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#14 » by Los_29 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:12 pm

Morse Code wrote:So many guys that bring no value whatsoever. Keep champagne and Banton but IMO get rid of Svi, Flynn, Thad, Brooks. I forget who else, but these guys do nothing for us long term and hold no value around the league. I'm surprised so many ppl want to bring Thad back too.



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It's not just us that want to bring him back. The organization seems to want to bring him back as well. He's a good bench piece and likely won't cost a lot of money. There are financial benefits to bringing him back as well due to having his bird rights. Our younger players seem to want him back too.

It'd be pretty foolish for a team lacking depth to let go of a good, affordable bench piece.
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Post#15 » by KL78192020 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:12 pm

Morse Code wrote:So many guys that bring no value whatsoever. Keep champagne and Banton but IMO get rid of Svi, Flynn, Thad, Brooks. I forget who else, but these guys do nothing for us long term and hold no value around the league. I'm surprised so many ppl want to bring Thad back too.



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Thad was such a useless trade, his impact was negligible. Some will say anything to justify the trade, his veteran leadership led this team to a first round exit lol and we gave up 13 spots in the draft for no reason.
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Post#16 » by Los_29 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:17 pm

KL78192020 wrote:
Morse Code wrote:So many guys that bring no value whatsoever. Keep champagne and Banton but IMO get rid of Svi, Flynn, Thad, Brooks. I forget who else, but these guys do nothing for us long term and hold no value around the league. I'm surprised so many ppl want to bring Thad back too.



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Thad was such a useless trade, his impact was negligible. Some will say anything to justify the trade, his veteran leadership led this team to a first round exit lol and we gave up 13 spots in the draft for no reason.


The ones who think it was a bad trade still can't give a compelling argument as to why it was bad. Hopefully one day they can and we can have a productive discussion about it. "Impact was negligible." :lol: You know what else is negligible? The difference between the 20th pick and the 33rd pick.

Funny stuff.
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Post#17 » by brownbobcat » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:27 pm

Los_29 wrote:The ones who think it was a bad trade still can't give a compelling argument as to why it was bad. Hopefully one day they can and we can have a productive discussion about it. "Impact was negligible." :lol: You know what else is negligible? The difference between the 20th pick and the 33rd pick.

Funny stuff.

Now that they have him, they might as well keep him. I will try to restrain any feelings of schadenfreude if he doesn't return - but no promises.
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Re: The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#18 » by kalel123 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:30 pm

I'm pretty sure Raptors management team is losing absolutely no sleep over this because it's not something you worry about.... EVER.

There are often discussions here about how this team lacks quality depth and you think end of bench players on a team like this is worth discussing? The entire focus should be on how to improve top-to-middle of the roster. It all starts with that MLE FA and possibly retaining Boucher and Thad Young. Those end of bench guys can easily be cut in September/October without issues.
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Post#19 » by kalel123 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:32 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Brinbe wrote:at some point they need to start consolidating assets.

as others have said, at worst just waive svi and brooks is probably gone.


Kinda hard when the assets you want to consolidate, suck.


We lack the proper depth to be talking about consolidating talent. Still in the asset collecting phase. If a star is available and he can be had then sure. But last I checked, that's not the case.
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The already approaching roster crunch 

Post#20 » by bluerap23 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:37 pm

alienchild wrote:Crikey , change your diaper. This not a problem that the FO is unaware of, and has many ways to resolve. Not worth a thread.

It’s the off-season, chill. Don’t like the thread: don’t let the door smack you on the way out.
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