Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Pointgod]

I dont see many FVV deals out there right now that would make sense for us or other teams at deadline. Likely will have to wait for offseason

Bulls (Ball, Williams and White), Wolves (swap Russell for FVV but try to get Reid and another young prospect off them), Mavs (probably a 3 way if another team wants Hardaway) are some possibilities.

The Bulls aren’t putting Williams in a package for Fred despite how mediocre I believe he is. I like the idea of trading for Lonzo and White but Lonzo’s knee scares the **** out of me if it’s completely ****. The Bulls can throw in the Portland pick or another asset to improve our guard depth and we can throw in a bunch of front court pieces like Keem Birch, Thad because lord knows they need it. I don’t see two teams so close to the play in trading with each other though.

[Raptors_128]

I heard on the latest Zach Lowe pod with guest Bill Simmons a trade rumor of OG Anunoby & filler (Thad?) for Keegan Murray and Harrison Barnes.

What do you guys think?

If Keegan Murray is on the table for OG then I’m listening. That’s a good starting point.

[Pointgod]

I heard on the latest Zach Lowe pod with guest Bill Simmons a trade rumor of OG Anunoby & filler (Thad?) for Keegan Murray and Harrison Barnes.

What do you guys think?

Barnes is UFA, so his value to the Raptors is filler. He's also better than OG right now overall. Sacramento is probably going to value Murray pretty significantly as an asset that can appreciate over his rookie contract. I'm guessing Simmons proposed this, because it makes little sense for either team.

[tecumseh18]

I heard on the latest Zach Lowe pod with guest Bill Simmons a trade rumor of OG Anunoby & filler (Thad?) for Keegan Murray and Harrison Barnes.

What do you guys think?

Barnes is UFA, so his value to the Raptors is filler. He's also better than OG right now overall. Sacramento is probably going to value Murray pretty significantly as an asset that can appreciate over his rookie contract. I'm guessing Simmons proposed this, because it makes little sense for either team.

Barnes really better than OG?

I feel like guys like Simmons and other Americans see the Raptors as a source of talent to make other teams better. They don't look into or care how it affects the Raps.

I still like PER as a quick and dirty assessment of what a player brings to a team. Interesting that the Kings' top two players (Sabonis and Fox) have a higher PER than the Raptors' top two players. Of course, it doesn't help that the Raps don't even have a #2 player worthy of the designation. Malik Monk has a higher PER than any of our other four starters after Pascal.

Anyway, for what it's worth, O.G.'s PER of 15.5 is higher than H. Barnes' PER of 14.9. And then when you add in the defensive capability, there's no comparison. But if Masai believes in Murray - and a lot of people seem to - this is the sort of trade that should be made.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Barnes is UFA, so his value to the Raptors is filler. He's also better than OG right now overall. Sacramento is probably going to value Murray pretty significantly as an asset that can appreciate over his rookie contract. I'm guessing Simmons proposed this, because it makes little sense for either team.

Barnes really better than OG?

I feel like guys like Simmons and other Americans see the Raptors as a source of talent to make other teams better. They don't look into or care how it affects the Raps.

I still like PER as a quick and dirty assessment of what a player brings to a team. Interesting that the Kings' top two players (Sabonis and Fox) have a higher PER than the Raptors' top two players. Of course, it doesn't help that the Raps don't even have a #2 player worthy of the designation. Malik Monk has a higher PER than any of our other four starters after Pascal.

Anyway, for what it's worth, O.G.'s PER of 15.5 is higher than H. Barnes' PER of 14.9. And then when you add in the defensive capability, there's no comparison. But if Masai believes in Murray - and a lot of people seem to - this is the sort of trade that should be made.

I don't even think Hollinger would use PER anymore.

I should have qualified it that Barnes is arguably better. He's a better offensive player. OG is the best wing defender in the NBA. Barnes isn't terrible as a defender. The difference isn't worth their best prospect, imo, and the Raptors don't need to trade OG, so... this is a dumb trade for Sacramento to consider and I can see why a rival proposed it.

[Spida888]

Sacramento probably just stays the course, they haven't made the playoffs for so long that even just making it would be a win for them this season.

[ATLTimekeeper]

suggestion not legit. Lowe spoke to a guy from a rival team about kings and said they should go after OG with that package. 1:17

Right, so a rival suggested that the Kings should get better? No, they thought of a stupid trade for the Kings to make, and one that only marginally is beneficial to the Raptors.

Listen to podcast before speaking

I'm going off your paraphrasing. That's on you

[TravisScott55]

I heard on the latest Zach Lowe pod with guest Bill Simmons a trade rumor of OG Anunoby & filler (Thad?) for Keegan Murray and Harrison Barnes.

What do you guys think?

Barnes is UFA, so his value to the Raptors is filler. He's also better than OG right now overall. Sacramento is probably going to value Murray pretty significantly as an asset that can appreciate over his rookie contract. I'm guessing Simmons proposed this, because it makes little sense for either team.

[WuTang_OG]

Right, so a rival suggested that the Kings should get better? No, they thought of a stupid trade for the Kings to make, and one that only marginally is beneficial to the Raptors.

Listen to podcast before speaking

I'm going off your paraphrasing. That's on you

Lowe speaks to many people within teams not necessarily team execs and this trade isn’t all that crazy considering the type of prospect murray is. Even so, you think barnes is better than og so you’re pretty clueless either way

[anotherhomer]

Listen to podcast before speaking

I'm going off your paraphrasing. That's on you

Lowe speaks to many people within teams not necessarily team execs and this trade isn’t all that crazy considering the type of prospect murray is. Even so, you think barnes is better than og so you’re pretty clueless either way

I get that Keegan great prospect but not sure why raps do that tho

Raps need a 3 lvl scoring prospect with good off ball shooting who has size and passable on defense

[douggood]

I'm going off your paraphrasing. That's on you

Lowe speaks to many people within teams not necessarily team execs and this trade isn’t all that crazy considering the type of prospect murray is. Even so, you think barnes is better than og so you’re pretty clueless either way

I get that Keegan great prospect but not sure why raps do that tho

Raps need a 3 lvl scoring prospect with good off ball shooting who has size and passable on defense

its not like the raptors are putting the finishing touches on a championship team. goal is to get better/more assets, more flexibility. keegan is on a rookie deal with upside.

[LarSiN]

I heard on the latest Zach Lowe pod with guest Bill Simmons a trade rumor of OG Anunoby & filler (Thad?) for Keegan Murray and Harrison Barnes.

What do you guys think?

Barnes is UFA, so his value to the Raptors is filler. He's also better than OG right now overall. Sacramento is probably going to value Murray pretty significantly as an asset that can appreciate over his rookie contract. I'm guessing Simmons proposed this, because it makes little sense for either team.

LOL, whaaaat ?? Did you seriously just say that Harrison Barnes is better than OG ???? Wooow

[tecumseh18]

Barnes really better than OG?

I feel like guys like Simmons and other Americans see the Raptors as a source of talent to make other teams better. They don't look into or care how it affects the Raps.

I still like PER as a quick and dirty assessment of what a player brings to a team. Interesting that the Kings' top two players (Sabonis and Fox) have a higher PER than the Raptors' top two players. Of course, it doesn't help that the Raps don't even have a #2 player worthy of the designation. Malik Monk has a higher PER than any of our other four starters after Pascal.

Anyway, for what it's worth, O.G.'s PER of 15.5 is higher than H. Barnes' PER of 14.9. And then when you add in the defensive capability, there's no comparison. But if Masai believes in Murray - and a lot of people seem to - this is the sort of trade that should be made.

I don't even think Hollinger would use PER anymore.

Well, ESPN does. Basketball-reference.com also still include PER as one of their stats.

It ultimately comes down to an eye/smell test, and from comparing the PER leaders to the Win Share leaders, I'd have to say PER is in better accordance with my humble opinion. Unless you agree with WS that Sabonis is the third best player in the league, Giannis is #18, and Pascal is not in the top 20 (while DeMar is #12). Giannis climbs back to #10 under VORP, still behind Sabonis, Haliburton and Donovan Mitchell and slightly ahead of Julius Randle (!?!)

Oddly, they don't have net Offensive rating - defensive rating. NBA.com does feature a net rating stat, with the top two spots going to:

Spoiler:

Rudy Gay and KCP

Ooookay.

Jokic is #3, and a bunch of nobodies (and Aaron Gordon) round out Top Ten.

For PIE, the top 10 looks legit. Way down the list, Harrison Barnes is #97, and OG is at #100. Interestingly, Obi Toppin is #87, and Keldon Johnson (who Spurs drafted with the pick we sent in the Kawhi trade and who I've always considered to be the dictionary definition of a replacement-level player) is #89. Drew Eubanks, is #91. Personally, I’d rather have OG than Eubanks, who admittedly sports a slightly higher PER than OG. Speaking of Masai/Bobby mistakes, Yuta and OPJ are tied.

An interesting diversion on a Saturday afternoon, but it does raise the question of the extent to which we overrate our own players, even such a sought-after piece like OG. Pascal barely scrapes the top 20 in these lists, if he shows up at all. Raps have had such a miserable season, which kills a lot of the advanced stats based on plus/minus. But you need talent to win. Do we have nearly enough?

[LarSiN]

Or we could just compare actual stats

FG% - 467 vs 481
Ft% - 836 vs 823
3pt - 74 vs 64
Pts - 692 vs 609
Rbs - 222 vs 209
Ast - 81 vs 70
Stl - 86 vs 35
Blk - 30 vs 5
TO - 88 vs 50

[Pointgod]

I heard on the latest Zach Lowe pod with guest Bill Simmons a trade rumor of OG Anunoby & filler (Thad?) for Keegan Murray and Harrison Barnes.

What do you guys think?

Barnes is UFA, so his value to the Raptors is filler. He's also better than OG right now overall. Sacramento is probably going to value Murray pretty significantly as an asset that can appreciate over his rookie contract. I'm guessing Simmons proposed this, because it makes little sense for either team.

Barnes really better than OG?

I feel like guys like Simmons and other Americans see the Raptors as a source of talent to make other teams better. They don't look into or care how it affects the Raps.

I listened to the podcast and Simmons admitted that he’s higher on Keegan Murray (who’s the actual prize for the Raptors) than most and lower on OG than most. And it was Lowe that brought up that some basketball person had said the Kings should go after OG while Simmons was originally trying to get the Kangz to go after Paul George.

[anotherhomer]

Barnes is UFA, so his value to the Raptors is filler. He's also better than OG right now overall. Sacramento is probably going to value Murray pretty significantly as an asset that can appreciate over his rookie contract. I'm guessing Simmons proposed this, because it makes little sense for either team.

Barnes really better than OG?

I feel like guys like Simmons and other Americans see the Raptors as a source of talent to make other teams better. They don't look into or care how it affects the Raps.

I listened to the podcast and Simmons admitted that he’s higher on Keegan Murray (who’s the actual prize for the Raptors) than most and lower on OG than most. And it was Lowe that brought up that some basketball person had said the Kings should go after OG while Simmons was originally trying to get the Kangz to go after Paul George.

Right now, I see Keegan obviously not as good on defense but offense is the same.

And he plays the same position as barnes and pascal

[ATLTimekeeper]

Or we could just compare actual stats

FG% - 467 vs 481
Ft% - 836 vs 823
3pt - 74 vs 64
Pts - 692 vs 609
Rbs - 222 vs 209
Ast - 81 vs 70
Stl - 86 vs 35
Blk - 30 vs 5
TO - 88 vs 50

This is almost as bad as PER.

Let's do per36 and TS

TS .571 vs .631
pts 17.7 vs 16.7
rbs 5.7 vs 5.7
ast 2.1 vs 1.9
stl 2.2 vs. 1.0
blk 0.8 vs. 0.1
to 2.3 vs. 1.4

Seems like what I said, Barnes is a better offensive player and Anunoby is a better defensive player. The advantage Sacramento would be receiving is through growth potential of OG, but they'd be losing out on cheaper growth potential of Murray and production of Barnes. The Raptors would presumably do this to get younger, cheaper, and so have no long term interest in Barnes. And that's what I said, he'd be filler for the Raptors, and Sacramento wouldn't gain much advantage here. Dumb trade proposal for both teams.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

if we are gonna trade OG, I'd rather trade him with Trent for an upgrade.

[anotherhomer]

Or we could just compare actual stats

FG% - 467 vs 481
Ft% - 836 vs 823
3pt - 74 vs 64
Pts - 692 vs 609
Rbs - 222 vs 209
Ast - 81 vs 70
Stl - 86 vs 35
Blk - 30 vs 5
TO - 88 vs 50

This is almost as bad as PER.

Let's do per36 and TS

TS .571 vs .631
pts 17.7 vs 16.7
rbs 5.7 vs 5.7
ast 2.1 vs 1.9
stl 2.2 vs. 1.0
blk 0.8 vs. 0.1
to 2.3 vs. 1.4

Seems like what I said, Barnes is a better offensive player and Anunoby is a better defensive player. The advantage Sacramento would be receiving is through growth potential of OG, but they'd be losing out on cheaper growth potential of Murray and production of Barnes. The Raptors would presumably do this to get younger, cheaper, and so have no long term interest in Barnes. And that's what I said, he'd be filler for the Raptors, and Sacramento wouldn't gain much advantage here. Dumb trade proposal for both teams.

Is a deal that doesn't make sense

Og really comes down to, which team feels he's the missing piece and what they willing to offer

[Ackshun]

I'm going off your paraphrasing. That's on you

Lowe speaks to many people within teams not necessarily team execs and this trade isn’t all that crazy considering the type of prospect murray is. Even so, you think barnes is better than og so you’re pretty clueless either way

I get that Keegan great prospect but not sure why raps do that tho

Raps need a 3 lvl scoring prospect with good off ball shooting who has size and passable on defense

What’s the beef then ?

OG and Barnes are the only two on my untouchable list, but I would do it for Keegan. Definitely.