pingpongrac wrote:Boogie! wrote:pingpongrac wrote:This board is wildin' and has been for some time now. There have been numerous threads exaggerating FVV's negative on-court and off-court impact he has on the team, but it's a whole new level lately.
A few weeks ago it was "Thad got mad at Scottie because Scottie and GTJ were making fun of FVV" even though it literally had to do with Scottie and GTJ seemingly being nonchalant during halftime warm-ups. Yesterday it was "FVV is the worst ISO scorer in the league" even though a quick search on NBA.com shows that there are 5 worse (1 of which is almost identical) ISO scorers on our team alone. Tonight it is "there is friction between FVV and OG because of something OG said to Nurse 3 years ago" even though there is absolutely no evidence of turmoil between FVV and OG. If only people could point to FVV not following OG on Instagram (like how he doesn't follow Scottie) as more proof that they hate each other's guts.
Like I said before,fvv is not that good To warrant such unwaverable defense. It is this attitude and delusion that is ruining the culture of this team. We need to stop overrating players, see them for what they are, understand their value and role on the team, and figure out of it fits or not. Fvv is not a spring chicken, his flaws have been apparent for years now, and for as good as YOU think he Is based on whatever metrics you want to use, it's quite obvious that him in the current role combined with nick nurse's delusion belief on his importance to the team and his physical decline, that he is not worth keeping around.
The league is evolving. If he was an elite and efficient shooter, or was more athletic and a few inches taller, his flaws may be worth sticking with. If this was 10 years ago, he might really have been the kyle lowry of this team. But he's not good enough to build around. He's already said he's not used to playing off ball and has attributed his struggles to that and with the ball he's far too dribble happy and lacks explosiveness and elite court vision to run an offense properly. These are fatal flaws for a guard of his stature.
It has nothing to do with an unwavering defence because it's FVV. There have been countless posts/topics on this board flat-out lying about his overall numbers or play on any given night all season while there has been a new conspiracy theory or two based off of absolutely nothing meaningful every week. I'd be calling out the same BS if people were making up garbage that takes 5 seconds to fact check about OG, Siakam, Scottie, GTJ, Achiuwa, etc.
I literally couldn't care less from a roster standpoint if FVV is with the team or not in 2 weeks as long as we're getting back something worthwhile for him in a trade and/or we're not eventually paying him more than he's worth. Regardless of what YOU think, he's clearly still very impactful and he would be a very good 4th option that can occasionally take over games when he gets hot. This team is trending in a different direction this season though and now might be a good time to deal him as he has been playing much better and recouping some value over the past 20-25 games. More than anything though, I'm starting to hope more and more that he does get traded so this board can stop whining about every damn thing he says or does. But we all know the next victim will be chosen shortly thereafter and it will more than likely be Siakam or Scottie.
The problem with Fred is in bold.
He doesn't think he's a fourth option, and has said he needs the ball in hands to be successful. In his most recent interviews he's deflected blame onto everyone but himself. He is Mr. 'Bet on Yourself,' and that chip on his shoulder, that he needed to go from undrafted to an all-star, has never left and is hurting the team.
Fred thought he was going to be new-Kyle, but it doesn't work when you're not a basketball savant. Guys just end up resenting you. Also, Kyle was a PG that was team-first at all times, Fred is a SG with the ball in his hands. For the sake of everyone, he needs a reset somewhere else, not because he's a bad guy, but because it's not working here and he'll never be able to take a step back.