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BNN Bloomberg: Raptors return on investment is the real deal 

Post#1 » by DG88 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:59 pm

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Come June of this year, Canadians will be reminded of the Toronto Raptors’ NBA championship. After all, it will be the 5-year anniversary of the historic accomplishment.

That capped an unprecedented run of success for a team that was brought into the league as an expansion club in 1995. In addition to the championship, the team won its division in six of seven years from 2014-2020. Both Nick Nurse and Dwane Casey won Coach of the Year honours and numerous players were All-Stars.

Since that era, the team’s on court performance has been mediocre. The Raptors are on pace to miss the playoffs for the third time in four years.

Despite disappointing results on the court, the Raptors, like literally every NBA team, are a perpetual champion when it comes to the bottom line. The organization’s financial valuation is worthy of the Hall of Fame.

According to Sportico, the Raptors are valued at US$4.11 billion, ranking 9th among all teams in the National Basketball Association. The Golden State Warriors are at the top, worth a cool US$8.28B. Even the last ranking team - the New Orleans Pelicans - value at US$2.72B.

Even more amazing is the Raptors value increasing by 23% in just the past year alone. The team’s 2022-23 revenue came in at US$347 million (Sportico), an increase of $32M from the year before. NBA revenue is up across the board with new profit-generating streams around the corner.


Reports conclude that Silver is looking for a US$7B annual package for media rights. Remember, last year’s number was $2.66B. Nearly tripling that might not materialize but what if it doubled? Five billion dollars spread evenly among 30 teams on an annual basis would enhance earnings to the tune of approximately $150-160 million per year, per team. The cap on player salaries, an NBA team’s largest expense, is presently US$136M.

So who will join the NBA as national broadcast partners? ABC/ESPN and Turner are unlikely to relinquish their stakes, but John Ourand of Puck News reported on his Marchand and Ourand Sports Media Podcast that NBC is in contention for a return to NBA broadcasting, and would potentially bring along its streaming service Peacock. One or more of Prime, Apple TV and YouTube could be in the mix as well. Ourand maintains that the streamers have been “disciplined” in their negotiating approaches, but those around the NBA are certain that big tech will enter the picture in the next composition of a rights package.

Additionally, NBA expansion is coming more and more into frame. Las Vegas and Seattle are likely to join the league within five years. (Vancouver and Mexico City are long shots). According to Sportico, the expansion fee could rise as high as US$5 billion, yet another cheque for NBA teams. But unlike all other basketball-related revenue, team owners would not have to share this amount with players.


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Post#2 » by Potential » Mon Jan 8, 2024 6:39 pm

Good riddance to ESPN and their horrible new theme song. I can't wait to witness the NBA on NBC with that amazing theme song
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Post#3 » by Scase » Mon Jan 8, 2024 10:55 pm

If I can properly stream raps games in 4k, I will happily pay for whatever service does it, I can finally get rid of this garbage cable already.
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Post#4 » by tecumseh18 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 11:02 pm

Scase wrote:If I can properly stream raps games in 4k, I will happily pay for whatever service does it, I can finally get rid of this garbage cable already.


What am I seeing now on Bell Fibe on my 4K TV? I can't imagine the image quality being any higher. It looks like a 3D video game as it is.
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Post#5 » by Wise80 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 11:06 pm

Scase wrote:If I can properly stream raps games in 4k, I will happily pay for whatever service does it, I can finally get rid of this garbage cable already.


The raptors and playoff basketball are the reasons why I have cable. I can't wait to be able to stream 4k and have no lag or delay. I'm hopeful a streaming service gets it.
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Post#6 » by 2019nbachamps » Mon Jan 8, 2024 11:15 pm

Raptors are able to benefit from the marketing genius of the NBA. Team valuations will boom once NBA wraps up the new tv and streaming deals. In the past the sports leagues could only do deals with traditional media. Now you have mega powers like Google, Apple, Amazon, bidding for the rights. Cost of the brick is going up.
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Post#7 » by ontnut » Mon Jan 8, 2024 11:38 pm

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Scase wrote:If I can properly stream raps games in 4k, I will happily pay for whatever service does it, I can finally get rid of this garbage cable already.


What am I seeing now on Bell Fibe on my 4K TV? I can't imagine the image quality being any higher. It looks like a 3D video game as it is.

4kTV isn't the same as streaming. Also a lot of the content on the "4k" channels are just regular HD or 1080p that are upconverted.

A lot of the online streaming - I'm with Rogers - is still pretty crap, often 720p. It looks very bad esp on a big screen. Borderline unwatchable.
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Post#8 » by douggood » Mon Jan 8, 2024 11:45 pm

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tecumseh18 wrote:
Scase wrote:If I can properly stream raps games in 4k, I will happily pay for whatever service does it, I can finally get rid of this garbage cable already.


What am I seeing now on Bell Fibe on my 4K TV? I can't imagine the image quality being any higher. It looks like a 3D video game as it is.

4kTV isn't the same as streaming. Also a lot of the content on the "4k" channels are just 1080p that are upconverted.

A lot of the online streaming - I'm with Rogers - is still pretty crap, often 720p. It looks very bad esp on a big screen.

its not rogers/bell, its a technical issue, production issue, processing issue, and with the distribution setup.
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Post#9 » by canz55 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 12:38 am

NFL dwarfs the NBA in viewership. MLB also made a comeback.

What makes Silver think he can sell the rights for $7 billion?

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Post#10 » by ontnut » Tue Jan 9, 2024 1:29 am

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What am I seeing now on Bell Fibe on my 4K TV? I can't imagine the image quality being any higher. It looks like a 3D video game as it is.

4kTV isn't the same as streaming. Also a lot of the content on the "4k" channels are just 1080p that are upconverted.

A lot of the online streaming - I'm with Rogers - is still pretty crap, often 720p. It looks very bad esp on a big screen.

its not rogers/bell, its a technical issue, production issue, processing issue, and with the distribution setup.

Yeah makes sense. I wasn't blaming one or the other, just that there's barely any true 4K sports in Canada.
But it's also a complaint of mine when the broadcasters use "4k" channels to justify more subscription cost. They may show 1 or 2 programs in actual 4k in a year, the rest of the time it's not actually 4k.
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Post#11 » by ontnut » Tue Jan 9, 2024 1:35 am

canz55 wrote:NFL dwarfs the NBA in viewership. MLB also made a comeback.

What makes Silver think he can sell the rights for $7 billion?

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canz55 wrote:NFL dwarfs the NBA in viewership. MLB also made a comeback.

What makes Silver think he can sell the rights for $7 billion?

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NBA is more global

Btw, NBA tv deal is already more than MLB.

Big tech companies can afford to pay more than traditional media since they have more ways to monetize viewers. Traditional media only sell advertising. Big tech sell products, services, and way more targeted advertising (unlike TV, Apple, Google, Amazon know everything about you which is more valuable to advertisers).
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Since that era, the team’s on court performance has been mediocre. The Raptors are on pace to miss the playoffs for the third time in four years.

Despite disappointing results on the court, the Raptors, like literally every NBA team, are a perpetual champion when it comes to the bottom line. The organization’s financial valuation is worthy of the Hall of Fame.

So who will join the NBA as national broadcast partners? ABC/ESPN and Turner are unlikely to relinquish their stakes, but John Ourand of Puck News reported on his Marchand and Ourand Sports Media Podcast that NBC is in contention for a return to NBA broadcasting, and would potentially bring along its streaming service Peacock. One or more of Prime, Apple TV and YouTube could be in the mix as well. Ourand maintains that the streamers have been “disciplined” in their negotiating approaches, but those around the NBA are certain that big tech will enter the picture in the next composition of a rights package.

Additionally, NBA expansion is coming more and more into frame. Las Vegas and Seattle are likely to join the league within five years. (Vancouver and Mexico City are long shots). According to Sportico, the expansion fee could rise as high as US$5 billion, yet another cheque for NBA teams. But unlike all other basketball-related revenue, team owners would not have to share this amount with players.


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Post#14 » by Scase » Tue Jan 9, 2024 4:39 pm

douggood wrote:
ontnut wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
What am I seeing now on Bell Fibe on my 4K TV? I can't imagine the image quality being any higher. It looks like a 3D video game as it is.

4kTV isn't the same as streaming. Also a lot of the content on the "4k" channels are just 1080p that are upconverted.

A lot of the online streaming - I'm with Rogers - is still pretty crap, often 720p. It looks very bad esp on a big screen.

its not rogers/bell, its a technical issue, production issue, processing issue, and with the distribution setup.

Cept Rogers/Bell are part of that equation. They ARE the distribution setup, and honestly cutting out all of the legitimate technical reasons, the quality of a SN(Rogers) 4k broadcast vs a TSN(Bell) one, is pretty jarring, the level of ghosting on SN is appalling.

There are solutions for all of these options, they just aren't willing to foot the bill for them, and that's fine, because streaming companies have, and will continue to do so moving forward, while the cable companies continue to slowly bleed out. The fact that you can't even stream each game in "4K" is absurd as well.
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Post#15 » by maternal85 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:38 pm

canz55 wrote:NFL dwarfs the NBA in viewership. MLB also made a comeback.

What makes Silver think he can sell the rights for $7 billion?

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The NBA is by far more global than the NFL. Perhaps the NFL has more viewership in North America. But globally I'm not sure.
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Post#16 » by maternal85 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:40 pm

2019nbachamps wrote:Raptors are able to benefit from the marketing genius of the NBA. Team valuations will boom once NBA wraps up the new tv and streaming deals. In the past the sports leagues could only do deals with traditional media. Now you have mega powers like Google, Apple, Amazon, bidding for the rights. Cost of the brick is going up.


The NBA and each team has excellent marketing. They actually get it unlike other leagues.
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Post#17 » by Raps in 4 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:52 pm

douggood wrote:
ontnut wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
What am I seeing now on Bell Fibe on my 4K TV? I can't imagine the image quality being any higher. It looks like a 3D video game as it is.

4kTV isn't the same as streaming. Also a lot of the content on the "4k" channels are just 1080p that are upconverted.

A lot of the online streaming - I'm with Rogers - is still pretty crap, often 720p. It looks very bad esp on a big screen.

its not rogers/bell, its a technical issue, production issue, processing issue, and with the distribution setup.


It's not hard. Broadcasters are just cheap. They know most people can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4K, so why spend money upgrading something most people won't even notice?
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Post#18 » by ontnut » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:54 pm

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douggood wrote:
ontnut wrote:4kTV isn't the same as streaming. Also a lot of the content on the "4k" channels are just 1080p that are upconverted.

A lot of the online streaming - I'm with Rogers - is still pretty crap, often 720p. It looks very bad esp on a big screen.

its not rogers/bell, its a technical issue, production issue, processing issue, and with the distribution setup.


It's not hard. Broadcasters are just cheap. They know most people can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4K, so why spend money upgrading something most people won't even notice?

In the video I heard a lot of the same excuses used when we went from SD to HD.
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Post#19 » by Raps in 4 » Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:56 pm

ontnut wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
douggood wrote:its not rogers/bell, its a technical issue, production issue, processing issue, and with the distribution setup.


It's not hard. Broadcasters are just cheap. They know most people can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4K, so why spend money upgrading something most people won't even notice?

In the video I heard a lot of the same excuses used when we went from SD to HD.


Most of what he's rambling about are problems that were solved a decade ago. I wouldn't be shocked if the video was sponsored by some cable company.
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Post#20 » by deeps6x » Tue Jan 9, 2024 6:03 pm

$350M revenue on an over $4B valuation? Wow, projections must be insane for future revenue streams.

Keep in mind that this is only $350M revenue, NOT profit. They are probably only making $100-150M profit.

There are a ton of better businesses to invest in these days. But if you are a billionaire and have already made more then you and your great grandchildren could ever spend, then I guess buying a chunk of, or a whole NBA team, is one of the highest profile things you can do to pump up your ego even more.
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