What exactly is the plan/path to getting better?

[nivisi9]

- So we traded a top 20 player and didn't get a single good young player back (really should've held out for Walker or atleast Nembard)

-Acquired a bunch of late round picks in one of the worst drafts in years.

- Likely don't have our top 10 pick, likely the only way to acquire another legit core piece.

- Will likely avoid full blown tanking next year and probably aren't bad enough to be a top 5 worse team in the league for a top pick(that's basically 2 yrs from now anyway)

What exactly is the plan for getting better then?

What are some potential paths with this somewhat awkward situation for a rebuild?

[DelAbbot]

IQ turns into Maxey
RJ turns into Paul George-lite
Scottie fulfills his potential as a top 20 player

[metafisical]

Watch BBQ improve, tank and add high level draft picks to the roster. Make shrewd trades when needed. That's it.

[Tor_Raps]

Gonna need BBQ to all go up a level next year with us using our cap space on some impact player(s). This team is just lacking talent overall so just guys that actually belong in the nba will be a start for us lol.

[Psubs]

IQ turns into Maxey
RJ turns into Paul George-lite
Scottie fulfills his potential as a top 20 player

IQ turns into Maxey with better defense but worse finishing at the rim.
RJ turns into Derozan with 37% 3pt range. Demar has shot 35% two of the last 3 seasons.
Ya Scottie.
Build that bench and get chemistry, then make a few trade is 2-3 years to make a run.

[Psubs]

Gonna need BBQ to all go up a level next year with us using our cap space on some impact player(s). This team is just lacking talent overall so just guys that actually belong in the nba will be a start for us lol.

Step one was dumping Precious, next is Boucher. Find another Johntay Porter. I think in a year or 2, Johntay and Poeltl would platoon C depending on how big is the opposing starting C.

[TimeForChange]

- So we traded a top 20 player and didn't get a single good young player back (really should've held out for Walker or atleast Nembard)

-Acquired a bunch of late round picks in one of the worst drafts in years.

- Likely don't have our top 10 pick, likely the only way to acquire another legit core piece.

- Will likely avoid full blown tanking next year and probably aren't bad enough to be a top 5 worse team in the league for a top pick(that's basically 2 yrs from now anyway)

What exactly is the plan for getting better then?

What are some potential paths with this somewhat awkward situation for a rebuild?

Follow the path OKC did.

It will be painful for those who started following the raptors after the championship but it will be fun for those of us who saw the growth in players like demar and Kyle

[Kingsway_fan]

Ww are a lotto team for next few years. Indiana picks are worthless. Our own pick after this coming years gift to San Antonio will be the ones to choose well.

[billy_hoyle]

Flat odds mean we don't need to be bottom 5 to move up in the lottery.

Look at Detroit, worst in the league last year and got the 5th pick.

I think we need to have some lottery luck, and some good drafting.

We'd accelerate our rebuild if we could use our cap space this summer to pry a player or two in FA while Scottie is cheap, and IQ is on a low 1st cap hold.

Claxton, Bey, Monk, Patrick Williams are all players that are young-ish and could improve. They are all potentially high level complementary players.

[Reeko]

The same as it was in those early DeRozan, Lowry, JV years, internal development and shrewd deals to bolster the bench. Not sure why some posters are so pessimistic, there's a lot to be optimistic about right now.

[Kingsway_fan]

- So we traded a top 20 player and didn't get a single good young player back (really should've held out for Walker or atleast Nembard)

-Acquired a bunch of late round picks in one of the worst drafts in years.

- Likely don't have our top 10 pick, likely the only way to acquire another legit core piece.

- Will likely avoid full blown tanking next year and probably aren't bad enough to be a top 5 worse team in the league for a top pick(that's basically 2 yrs from now anyway)

What exactly is the plan for getting better then?

What are some potential paths with this somewhat awkward situation for a rebuild?

Follow the path OKC did.

It will be painful for those who started following the raptors after the championship but it will be fun for those of us who saw the growth in players like demar and Kyle

Yeah.. two of the most overrated players in franchise history... the definition of treadmill.

[Psubs]

Flat odds mean we don't need to be bottom 5 to move up in the lottery.

Look at Detroit, worst in the league last year and got the 5th pick.

I think we need to have some lottery luck, and some good drafting.

We'd accelerate our rebuild if we could use our cap space this summer to pry a player or two in FA while Scottie is cheap, and IQ is on a low 1st cap hold.

Claxton, Bey, Monk, Patrick Williams are all players that are young-ish and could improve. They are all potentially high level complementary players.

Ya, if we throw $90 million over 4 years (21-22-23-24) for Patrick Williams would Chicago match?

[bboyskinnylegs]

let’s see what trades are made in the next few weeks

[DelAbbot]

The same as it was in those early DeRozan, Lowry, JV years, internal development and shrewd deals to bolster the bench. Not sure why some posters are so pessimistic, there's a lot to be optimistic about right now.

The issue is we didn't accumulate enough young assets to organically grow, and IQ, RJ and Scottie's big contracts are all coming in 1 year. Not quality the early years of DeRozan, and Lowry - and need to hit a few OG / Siakams in the upcoming drafts

[Saul Goodman]

Flip guys who don’t have a future for more picks.


Gary Trent to Orlando for Gary Harris 2025 Denver 1st



Bruce Brown for Quentin Grimes and Evan Fournier


Dennis Schroder to the Lakers for hood schifino Gabe Vincent



Try and sign Malik Monk

IQ/Monk/barrett/Barnes/Poetl


Vincent/Grimes/Dick/hood/

[ItsDanger]

Got to think bigger and be more aggressive with high upside players and ones who can have a significant impact. These low floor investments have not worked. There will be big misses but that is your best chance without a high lottery pick in a good draft.

[Reeko]

The same as it was in those early DeRozan, Lowry, JV years, internal development and shrewd deals to bolster the bench. Not sure why some posters are so pessimistic, there's a lot to be optimistic about right now.

The issue is we didn't accumulate enough young assets to organically grow, and IQ, RJ and Scottie's big contracts are all coming in 1 year. Not quality the early years of DeRozan, and Lowry - and need to hit a few OG / Siakams in the upcoming drafts

IQ's big contract is coming after this season, Scottie's after next, and RJ is in the first year of his rookie extension. We've got Gradey on his rookie scale. I think there's plenty of internal development that we can look forward to. I mean Lowry was 26 when he got to Toronto, at least a couple of years older than the oldest of our current core, and if I'm not mistaken was up for a new contract at the end of Masai's first season as GM. I'm pretty sure DeMar was headed for his rookie extension when Masai got here, if he hadn't signed it already with BC. Not dissimilar situations at all.

[CazOnReal]

Flat odds mean we don't need to be bottom 5 to move up in the lottery.

Look at Detroit, worst in the league last year and got the 5th pick.

I think we need to have some lottery luck, and some good drafting.

We'd accelerate our rebuild if we could use our cap space this summer to pry a player or two in FA while Scottie is cheap, and IQ is on a low 1st cap hold.

Claxton, Bey, Monk, Patrick Williams are all players that are young-ish and could improve. They are all potentially high level complementary players.

Ya, if we throw $90 million over 4 years (21-22-23-24) for Patrick Williams would Chicago match?

In what world is Patrick Williams looking at a contract over $15M AAV? Even that's a bit rich, he's very, very not good.

[Thaddy]

BBQ is a good core already. I would say RJ is increasing his value and showing more than he did as a Knick. IQ is going to improve and grow in his new role as the season progresses.

We could add more young talent from teams looking to compete now. Brown is a coveted asset similar to OG. He plays the right way and a lot of teams are interested. The Knicks have shown interest and there are other fringe teams that are seeing parity as an opportunity.

If we do Brown and one of the 2024 1sts for Grimes and Fournier (decline team option). That would give us another role player to play with the core guys.

I would hold out until the deadline and see what offers come in for Boucher, Trent, Schroder, and Brown. If there's something that blows us away and we have no chance at a play in spot I would go for it.

We likely win a lot of the games we dropped if we had Poeltl or a serviceable big the last few games. The pending Siakam trade took a toll on the team too.

I'm fairly confident we still make the play in.

[Indeed]

We can probably over bid players on (restricted) free agents, trade with teams who are above the tax and want to get down.

I guess the biggest question is, what skill set do we need. And is Barnes worth the max? Is he way better than Siakam?