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Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

Thaddy wrote:Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

We still need a #1 option. I don’t see Barnes being a 25+ PPG scorer.

Man McCown got really old eh...

C_Money wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

We still need a #1 option. I don’t see Barnes being a 25+ PPG scorer.

IQ can be 25+ PPG scorer.

ForeverTFC wrote:Man McCown got really old eh...

I believe he had a stroke semi recently.

The only thing Barnes needs to focus on is his demeanor and maturity on court.

He trash talks / flexes on opponents too much / hangs his head when he doesn't get the call / flails his arms when his teammates don't make the best play or fumbles a pass. He doesn't need to score 25+ ppg.. he needs to be the guy that does it all and has resolve and focus, because his teammates feed off that when things aren't going their way.

Don't agree...All Barnes needs is wisdom and once he gets it he will be the face of this league or atleast one of the faces. Barnes
is a true unicorn. He's 22! It amazes me how human beings overlook this when they judge players...

Thaddy wrote:Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

Remains to be seen on how Gradey is from a personable perspective. To me he seems like a cool head while Barnes is like the opposite always up and down.

ForeverTFC wrote:Man McCown got really old eh...

I think he had a couple of strokes.

Also Barnes is incredible. More and more he looks like a super charged Lamar Odom, which is totally great.

Not sure how you can put a ceiling on him after what he did in season 3

Shout out to Jack for breaking it down and schooling Mccown

itbobby007 wrote:

ForeverTFC wrote:Man McCown got really old eh...

I think he had a couple of strokes.

Duffman100 wrote:I believe he had a stroke semi recently.

Oh man, had no idea. Reading about his recovery right now and it sounds terrible. It's sad how quickly this stuff can age you. All the best to him.

C_Money wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

We still need a #1 option. I don’t see Barnes being a 25+ PPG scorer.

(a) Scottie provides more than points,

(b) You don't think a 22 year old who's really just learning to shoot consistently can increase their output by 5 ppg?

Scottie's a year younger than Ant, and had better stats across the board for most of the season.

grimlock wrote:The only thing Barnes needs to focus on is his demeanor and maturity on court.

He trash talks / flexes on opponents too much / hangs his head when he doesn't get the call / flails his arms when his teammates don't make the best play or fumbles a pass. He doesn't need to score 25+ ppg.. he needs to be the guy that does it all and has resolve and focus, because his teammates feed off that when things aren't going their way.

If the post ASG was anything to go by, it seems like he REALLY started reigning that in. He was supporting teammates when they struggled, getting back on defence despite horrible foul calls, overall was looking really promising that he was getting his **** together.

The injury came at a really crap time

tecumseh18 wrote:

C_Money wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

We still need a #1 option. I don’t see Barnes being a 25+ PPG scorer.

(a) Scottie provides more than points,

(b) You don't think a 22 year old who's really just learning to shoot consistently can increase their output by 5 ppg?

Scottie's a year younger than Ant, and had better stats across the board for most of the season.

I would be interested to know how many guys who don't have a shot at 22 ever become a true #1 option. I am sure it has been done, it just seems unlikely.

I thought Kawhi, but even he shot 38% from 3 for his first 3 seasons.

C_Money wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

We still need a #1 option. I don’t see Barnes being a 25+ PPG scorer.

The 2018 team was 10-11 deep with Norm at or near the bottom. This roster is not that deep, nor is there a Demar to trade for a Kawhi if that path even presents itself. Have to get the #1 a different way. And if it takes too long to build, how long do Scottie and IQ want to wait, to win? Assuming RJ wants to stay home no matter what.

WaltFrazier wrote:

C_Money wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Gradey has more leadership qualities than Barnes. If we go by a baseball analogy. Barnes is our home run, Gradey is our double, and we need two doubles from this draft that eventually become RBIs by development.

We still need a #1 option. I don’t see Barnes being a 25+ PPG scorer.

The 2018 team was 10-11 deep with Norm at or near the bottom. This roster is not that deep, nor is there a Demar to trade for a Kawhi if that path even presents itself. Have to get the #1 a different way. And if it takes too long to build, how long do Scottie and IQ want to wait, to win? Assuming RJ wants to stay home no matter what.

I have hope that Barrett can become that trade piece.

ForeverTFC wrote:

WaltFrazier wrote:

C_Money wrote:
We still need a #1 option. I don’t see Barnes being a 25+ PPG scorer.

The 2018 team was 10-11 deep with Norm at or near the bottom. This roster is not that deep, nor is there a Demar to trade for a Kawhi if that path even presents itself. Have to get the #1 a different way. And if it takes too long to build, how long do Scottie and IQ want to wait, to win? Assuming RJ wants to stay home no matter what.

I have hope that Barrett can become that trade piece.

Yeah he could become the Demar in the scenario but will they really trade the local hero?

Context wrote:Don't agree...All Barnes needs is wisdom and once he gets it he will be the face of this league or atleast one of the faces. Barnes
is a true unicorn. He's 22! It amazes me how human being overlook this when they judge players...

I don't know about face of the league but I do know that Leonard Hamilton always raves about Scottie's character and team-first attitude. And I don't mean the usual cliched BS, I mean he has gone out of his way, unprompted, to cite specific examples of his leadership. I'll take his word over that oof Doug Smith or anonymous posters who claim to be plugged in lmao.