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Scottie Barnes Embracing New Role as Franchise Leader 

Post#1 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 31, 2024 11:11 pm

this is a good development.

He’ll bop around the offices at the Raptors training centre bouncing a basketball down the corridors and into the offices, checking in with his bosses.
He’s a regular visitor to the facility: getting in workouts, connecting with visiting teammates and front-office higher-ups charged with improving the roster.
He showed up at the NBA draft lottery in Chicago to sit on the stage and mask his disappointment after the team missed out on a chance for a top-six draft pick.

And he dropped a line on his Instagram feed right after the lottery that made a vow: “I promise we will be better.”
If there’s one thing Scottie Barnes has done this summer it’s showing, in words and actions, that he’s taking ownership of his role with the Raptors, and team officials welcome the development.


Team insiders insist that last season’s disaster — the worst year for the franchise in a decade that included Barnes’ first significant injury, which knocked him out for the last quarter of the season — has created in Barnes a resolve to never go through anything like that again.
Those same insiders speak of a new maturity and willingness to take responsibility for the position he’s been put in as the face of the team.
It may not be a big deal, but there are those connected with the Raptors who insist there’s something different and intangible about the 22-year-old Barnes.

There better be. The Raptors unequivocally bestowed the “face of the franchise” tag on him when they let Fred VanVleet walk and traded away Pascal Siakam, and are almost assuredly going to give Barnes a contract worth about $260 million (U.S.) as soon as the first week of July.

They were betting that Barnes would grow into his position in the hierarchy, though — not assured of it. They had a smidgen of concern during Barnes’ pedestrian second season — the Raptors didn’t want to move Siakam in the summer of 2023 until they saw how Barnes was in his third season. But once he played well and grew, their concerns abated and it was Full Bore Barnes.
This summer, he’s done more than ever: more involved, more around, more of what they need him to be.
Privately they’ll say: “Watch, all he wants is to win. He’ll do whatever it takes.”
Barnes has taken the steps off the court and in the off-season. Those are big, important steps.







About the cap

One NBA executive told me in Chicago at the draft combine that the Raptors could probably find a way to create about $28 million in salary-cap space.
In the next breath, the same exec said something along the lines of “but really, what’s that get? Nothing of substance.”
Bang on.
The cost to create that amount would be both Gary Trent Jr. and Bruce Brown. And in this day and age, $28 million certainly doesn’t get a star.
I’m assured if the Raptors were 100 per cent guaranteed to get the exact player they want for $28 million they would do it, but that’s not likely.
The best route is to protect the Trent and Brown assets — in personnel and dollar value — and act as an over-the-cap team that has the full mid-level exception of somewhere near $13 million.


That leaves Brown’s $23-million expiring contract in play, lets them see what the years and money on a new Trent deal will be, and leaves them with a nice chunk of money to tinker on the edges of the roster.


Paydays coming

Don’t for a second think that the trades the Raptors made last season weren’t done with futures in mind.
All of the principals — the Raptors with Immanuel Quickley, the Pacers with Siakam, and the Knicks primarily with OG Anunoby but also Precious Achiuwa in the picture — knew what it was going to cost them to keep the impending free agents they acquired.
The new contracts aren’t signed, but they’re basically done: Quickley likely starts north of $25 million a year here, Siakam’s going to be around at least $45 million in Indiana, and Anunoby’s going to get something near $35 million a year in New York.
No one should be surprised. Those trades were consummated in December and January with the full knowledge that summer deals had already (wink, nod) been worked out.

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Post#2 » by djsunyc » Fri May 31, 2024 11:20 pm

good to hear about scottie. all we can hope for is improvements from all our young guys and see how it plays out.

as for the space - the FO will do all their due dilligence to see what's available either via trade or free agency. if there's nothing lined up that makes sense, then keeping the brown contract and seeing what pops up in feb is a fine plan.

to get the full 28 mil means not picking up brown and renouncing gary - but it's not just for a 28 mil player. you can add boucher and now can get a 38+ mil player while the other team is only taking back boucher's $10 mil and also get a huge trade exception so that significantly opens up the talent pool of player(s) that we could bring back. if we do that, i'm not sure if we have the full MLE tho in addition.
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Post#3 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri May 31, 2024 11:29 pm

The MLE is playing with dynamite

If you miss when you’re over the cap youre soon screwed because next thing you know you’re in the tax the following season with a large dead weight contract.
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Post#4 » by TheGeneral99 » Fri May 31, 2024 11:40 pm

Lol Doug - "pedestrian second season."

What is pedestrian about a 21 year old averaging 15ppg, 7rpg and 5apg, 1bpg and 1spg?

Sure he didn't make any substantial improvement from year 1 to year 2 but that's because he overachieved like crazy in year 1 compared to all expectations, lol.
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Post#5 » by DelAbbot » Fri May 31, 2024 11:44 pm

the Raptors didn’t want to move Siakam in the summer of 2023 until they saw how Barnes was in his third season. But once he played well and grew, their concerns abated and it was Full Bore Barnes.


This line of thinking is what led to us giving up a All-Star for a few crappy FRPs.

No long term planning. No contingency plan. Wasting assets.
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Post#6 » by DemHeavyHands » Fri May 31, 2024 11:49 pm

“There better be” :lol: :lol:

Freaking dough smith man

Love how he makes it seem like we gave up something really great by choosing Scottie as the face over FVV/siakam
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Post#7 » by Raps in 4 » Fri May 31, 2024 11:49 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:Lol Doug - "pedestrian second season."

What is pedestrian about a 21 year old averaging 15ppg, 7rpg and 5apg, 1bpg and 1spg?

Sure he didn't make any substantial improvement from year 1 to year 2 but that's because he overachieved like crazy in year 1 compared to all expectations, lol.


He did have a mediocre second season (compared to his rookie season), but Doug also spent the entire season trashing him, so he needs to keep up the narrative.
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Post#8 » by TheAlchemist23 » Fri May 31, 2024 11:53 pm

This past season was nothing exciting besides the first 7 games. Take more shots dawg and get to the rim. Don't care for anything else.
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Post#9 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:03 am

Nice!

Hopefully his 3 stays consistent this season and he's an all star. I feel another leap coming
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Post#10 » by YogurtProducer » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:21 am

Duffman100 wrote:Nice!

Hopefully his 3 stays consistent this season and he's an all star. I feel another leap coming

Anything less than an all star is a disappointment.
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Post#11 » by GP2 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:30 am

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Duffman100 wrote:Nice!

Hopefully his 3 stays consistent this season and he's an all star. I feel another leap coming

Anything less than an all star is a disappointment.


Honestly forgot he was an all-star (replacement) this past season. I have no worries about Scottie, but I think just banking on internal development isn't enough for this team.
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Post#12 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:36 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Nice!

Hopefully his 3 stays consistent this season and he's an all star. I feel another leap coming

Anything less than an all star is a disappointment.


Honestly forgot he was an all-star (replacement) this past season. I have no worries about Scottie, but I think just banking on internal development isn't enough for this team.


My position for next season is just let it play out. We have our pick for 2025 so we dont have to worry anymore.

#1 priority should be for Barnes, IQ, RJ, Dick + draft picks to get better
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Post#13 » by Reeko » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:42 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Nice!

Hopefully his 3 stays consistent this season and he's an all star. I feel another leap coming

Anything less than an all star is a disappointment.


Honestly forgot he was an all-star (replacement) this past season. I have no worries about Scottie, but I think just banking on internal development isn't enough for this team.

The top 6 players are Barnes, Quickley, Barrett, Poeltl, Dick, Trent. I think we can expect significant improvement from Barnes, IQ, and Gradey. Barrett and Trent I hope also improve but I wouldn't be surprised if they came back as more or less the same players, although I expect some improvement out of Barrett more so than Trent. Poeltl just is who he is at this point, just hope he doesn't get worse. As for the rest, I think the only guy you can hope improves over the offseason is Agbaji.

So with internal development and another year in Darko's system, I expect we'll improve some. Still, I don't expect we'll be good. Given how talented next year's draft is, it would not be an ideal time to be mediocre. But if we're still really bad, then what does that say about the talent that we currently have outside of Barnes?
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Post#14 » by GP2 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:55 am

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YogurtProducer wrote:Anything less than an all star is a disappointment.


Honestly forgot he was an all-star (replacement) this past season. I have no worries about Scottie, but I think just banking on internal development isn't enough for this team.

The top 6 players are Barnes, Quickley, Barrett, Poeltl, Dick, Trent. I think we can expect significant improvement from Barnes, IQ, and Gradey. Barrett and Trent I hope also improve but I wouldn't be surprised if they came back as more or less the same players, although I expect some improvement out of Barrett more so than Trent. Poeltl just is who he is at this point, just hope he doesn't get worse. As for the rest, I think the only guy you can hope improves over the offseason is Agbaji.

So with internal development and another year in Darko's system, I expect we'll improve some. Still, I don't expect we'll be good. Given how talented next year's draft is, it would not be an ideal time to be mediocre. But if we're still really bad, then what does that say about the talent that we currently have outside of Barnes?


Yeah, I guess we'll see how it plays out. It just doesn't seem wise to expect multiple players to take a significant leap simultaneously. The big one for me is Quickley. I like him, but I can't say I was completely sold on him being a lead guard. Full disclosure, I didn't really watch our final stretch of the season, so maybe my hesitation is misplaced.
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Post#15 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:57 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
GP2 wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Anything less than an all star is a disappointment.


Honestly forgot he was an all-star (replacement) this past season. I have no worries about Scottie, but I think just banking on internal development isn't enough for this team.


My position for next season is just let it play out. We have our pick for 2025 so we dont have to worry anymore.

#1 priority should be for Barnes, IQ, RJ, Dick + draft picks to get better while losing


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Post#16 » by TheGeneral99 » Sat Jun 1, 2024 12:58 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
TheGeneral99 wrote:Lol Doug - "pedestrian second season."

What is pedestrian about a 21 year old averaging 15ppg, 7rpg and 5apg, 1bpg and 1spg?

Sure he didn't make any substantial improvement from year 1 to year 2 but that's because he overachieved like crazy in year 1 compared to all expectations, lol.


He did have a mediocre second season (especially compared to his rookie season), but Doug also spent the entire season trashing him, so he needs to keep up the narrative.


Comparatively, sure.

But the expectations of Barnes before his rookie season that he was a extremely raw player who had no offensive game and his ceiling may be Draymond Green.

He shattered those expectations and emerged as a pretty damn good offensive player who was a bit raw, but he could get buckets.

His second year was just a replication of his first year, which was still really good but he didn't make any significant improvement.

I wouldn't call it "pedestrian" as Doug said, lol.
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Post#17 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:09 am

ArthurVandelay wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
GP2 wrote:
Honestly forgot he was an all-star (replacement) this past season. I have no worries about Scottie, but I think just banking on internal development isn't enough for this team.


My position for next season is just let it play out. We have our pick for 2025 so we dont have to worry anymore.

#1 priority should be for Barnes, IQ, RJ, Dick + draft picks to get better while losing


FTFY


We won't be good and that's mainly because this team is young, lacks defense and has zero depth. Just let the chips fall next season and no more stupid trades for Thad Young
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Post#18 » by sofargone » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:17 am

the Raptors didn’t want to move Siakam in the summer of 2023 until they saw how Barnes was in his third season. But once he played well and grew, their concerns abated and it was Full Bore Barnes


im not sure about that, seems like they were promoting scottie and shopping siakam in the summe, prompting siakam telling teams he wont extend, the team inluding darko seemed to be operating like siakam wouldnt be on the roster

i feel these decisions were more financial, them not wanting to pay him the full max
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Post#19 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:25 am

sofargone wrote:
the Raptors didn’t want to move Siakam in the summer of 2023 until they saw how Barnes was in his third season. But once he played well and grew, their concerns abated and it was Full Bore Barnes


im not sure about that, seems like they were promoting scottie and shopping siakam in the summe, prompting siakam telling teams he wont extend, the team inluding darko seemed to be operating like siakam wouldnt be on the roster

i feel these decisions were more financial, them not wanting to pay him the full max


Masai alluded to this in End of year presser. I think they already knew where they were going to go by not offering Siakam the max. Siakam was very close to going to ATL until he kyboshed that. I think that pacers trade was on the table in the off-season but Raps passed (maybe thinking something better would come), but took it in December once Scottie improved and they were running out of time with Siakam and had to make a deal.
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Post#20 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Jun 1, 2024 1:55 am

He'll be the focal point of the offense from day 1 of the season. I expect the best statistics he's ever had in year 4. Hopefully, the efficiency doesn't plummet. Having a couple more knockdown shooters and maybe one of them being a cutter or two should also help.

I'm not too worried about his 3 as I think it's likely to steadily improve but what I truly wonder is about his overall scoring capabilities next year and how he'll grow them this offseason. Barnes has the physical tools to drop a lot of points per game.

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