Page 1 of 10
Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:20 pm
by WuTang_CMB
The Bulls had been communicating with rival teams a desire to reshape their roster, league sources told Yahoo Sports, and Artūras Karnišovas’ front office indeed struck a deal that brings the first player back to Chicago via trade in three years. Word of the Bulls’ interest in Giddey had filtered to opposing front offices throughout this past week. Although many executives from opposing teams believed that was a potential construct for a Patrick Williams sign-and-trade — the fourth-year forward is set to reach restricted free agency June 30, with OKC, Toronto and Charlotte already being mentioned by league personnel as possible landing spots for Williams outside of Chicago.
Is Zach LaVine next?
Chicago continues to project a willingness to shuffle its deck, exploring its options to move up in the draft, sources said, and engaging rival teams on LaVine trade scenarios. The Bulls have attempted to find a new home for LaVine since last offseason, according to league sources, but have yet to develop signification traction on deals outside of talks with Detroit that once included Bojan Bogdanović — who’s since been traded to New York — and the Pistons are now under new leadership with president Trajan Langdon.
There isn’t much more room for purported roster shakeups outside of dealing LaVine if Chicago is as intent on keeping Williams and veteran scorer DeMar DeRozan as the Bulls have so far projected, sources said.
LaVine remains merely a backup option for the Sixers, sources said, but not a player whom Philadelphia truly covets with the team’s ocean of cap space. If there’s any suitor for LaVine that seems most likely at this juncture, it would be the Kings. Sacramento remains active in exploring trade opportunities for Harrison Barnes and Kevin Huerter, league sources told Yahoo Sports, with Huerter receiving a healthy amount of external interest. The Kings, at this juncture, are still considering trade possibilities for their No. 13 overall pick in Wednesday’s draft as well, sources said, with combo guard Malik Monk, a top Sixth Man of the Year candidate, agreeing to stay with Sacramento and his close friend, All-Star point guard De’Aaron Fox.
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:20 pm
by Bruin
I’d welcome this. Don’t think it’ll take much either
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:24 pm
by PhilBlackson
Oh lawd this thread is gonna blow up with this board's unhealthy fascination in the Paw lol
Not that I mind swapping him for BB but he's gonna wanna get paid & the production really isn't there to support it. But of course if by some chance he'd agree to a reasonable extension then I wouldn't mind it but he really hasn't proven to be worth that much and is incredibly passive.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:24 pm
by Duffman100
Bruin wrote:I’d welcome this. Don’t think it’ll take much either
It's so hard to tell with the Bulls.
Do they let go of one of their young RFAs who finally had a relatively healthy productive season?
Bulls fans seem to hate him...
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:25 pm
by Jadoogar
i don't get the interest in Pat Williams. Another wing that can't shoot. Don't we already have enough of those?
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:28 pm
by WuTang_CMB
Jadoogar wrote:i don't get the interest in Pat Williams. Another wing that can't shoot. Don't we already have enough of those?
With Immanuel Quickley, Barnes and R.J. Barrett, Toronto is skewing younger with its core. That makes it a logical fit for Williams ahead of his age-23 season. A low-usage offensive player who hasn't shown any knack for self-sufficient shot creation, Williams has quietly pumped his career hit-rate on threes up to 41.0 percent.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:30 pm
by WuTang_CMB
Duffman100 wrote:Bruin wrote:I’d welcome this. Don’t think it’ll take much either
It's so hard to tell with the Bulls.
Do they let go of one of their young RFAs who finally had a relatively healthy productive season?
Bulls fans seem to hate him...
This could be another RJ situation. Get him out of there and see what you can do with him. If the price is cheap, TOR will show some interest.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:31 pm
by navyblue
Not a 3 and neither is Barnes.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:32 pm
by Duffman100
WuTang_OG wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Bruin wrote:I’d welcome this. Don’t think it’ll take much either
It's so hard to tell with the Bulls.
Do they let go of one of their young RFAs who finally had a relatively healthy productive season?
Bulls fans seem to hate him...
This could be another RJ situation. Get him out of there and see what you can do with him. If the price is cheap, TOR will show some interest.
Oh I thought his 82 game season was this past season. He only played 43 games this season?
That would concern me. 71, 17, 82, 43. games played.
But agreed, if it isn't too expensive. 23 years old this season, 40% from 3...burly 6'7.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:32 pm
by Spida888
I'd be down with some kind of S&T for PWill if it involves Brown/Trent, but don't want to pay him 20M+ which is reportedly what he was seeking. He's a young big wing with potential but that's all he's been so far. He hasn't proven anything consistently yet and doesn't warrant a high price tag.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:33 pm
by nikster
WuTang_OG wrote:Jadoogar wrote:i don't get the interest in Pat Williams. Another wing that can't shoot. Don't we already have enough of those?
With Immanuel Quickley, Barnes and R.J. Barrett, Toronto is skewing younger with its core. That makes it a logical fit for Williams ahead of his age-23 season. A low-usage offensive player who hasn't shown any knack for self-sufficient shot creation, Williams has quietly pumped his career hit-rate on threes up to 41.0 percent.
Yeah he's on relatively low volume but will hit the open shots.
My main concerns are his health and upcoming contract
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:33 pm
by Thaddy
WuTang_OG wrote:Duffman100 wrote:Bruin wrote:I’d welcome this. Don’t think it’ll take much either
It's so hard to tell with the Bulls.
Do they let go of one of their young RFAs who finally had a relatively healthy productive season?
Bulls fans seem to hate him...
This could be another RJ situation. Get him out of there and see what you can do with him. If the price is cheap, TOR will show some interest.
Why do Bulls fans hate him?
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:38 pm
by Duffman100
Thaddy wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
It's so hard to tell with the Bulls.
Do they let go of one of their young RFAs who finally had a relatively healthy productive season?
Bulls fans seem to hate him...
This could be another RJ situation. Get him out of there and see what you can do with him. If the price is cheap, TOR will show some interest.
Why do Bulls fans hate him?
From what I've read on their forum. Low motor, low IQ , always injured , inconsistent.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:38 pm
by JB7
WuTang_OG wrote:Jadoogar wrote:i don't get the interest in Pat Williams. Another wing that can't shoot. Don't we already have enough of those?
With Immanuel Quickley, Barnes and R.J. Barrett, Toronto is skewing younger with its core. That makes it a logical fit for Williams ahead of his age-23 season. A low-usage offensive player who hasn't shown any knack for self-sufficient shot creation, Williams has quietly pumped his career hit-rate on threes up to 41.0 percent.
His 3pt % actually dropped last year, from the rates he hit at the previous two seasons. Other issue is only takes 3.4 attempts per game.
I actually would rather see the Raps pursue Achiuwa than Williams if they are looking for someone with size who can defend. At least Precious is healthier, and will only cost them money, not assets. Precious will also probably come with a much smaller contract than Williams.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:38 pm
by LoveMyRaps
I'm very much open to this.
A solid 3&D player, whose value is at an all time low right because he missed most of last season due to injury. (Played all 82 game the year prior).
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:41 pm
by JB7
One other thing. The fact that a rebuilding Bulls team is looking to move a soon to be 23yr old player, because they don't want to pay him, should be all you need to know about his value/abilities.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:41 pm
by PushDaRock
Jadoogar wrote:i don't get the interest in Pat Williams. Another wing that can't shoot. Don't we already have enough of those?
He surprisingly can, just not on high volume. 41% career 3 point shooter.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:41 pm
by WuTang_CMB
JB7 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Jadoogar wrote:i don't get the interest in Pat Williams. Another wing that can't shoot. Don't we already have enough of those?
With Immanuel Quickley, Barnes and R.J. Barrett, Toronto is skewing younger with its core. That makes it a logical fit for Williams ahead of his age-23 season. A low-usage offensive player who hasn't shown any knack for self-sufficient shot creation, Williams has quietly pumped his career hit-rate on threes up to 41.0 percent.
His 3pt % actually dropped last year, from the rates he hit at the previous two seasons. Other issue is only takes 3.4 attempts per game.
I actually would rather see the Raps pursue Achiuwa than Williams if they are looking for someone with size who can defend. At least Precious is healthier, and will only cost them money, not assets. Precious will also probably come with a much smaller contract than Williams.
I'd steal Pat for cheap other than that, no. .41 to .40 ... minimal. Career 41%. Achiuwa different player and already shown he can't play in a Darko offense.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:42 pm
by XTC
Thaddy wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Duffman100 wrote:
It's so hard to tell with the Bulls.
Do they let go of one of their young RFAs who finally had a relatively healthy productive season?
Bulls fans seem to hate him...
This could be another RJ situation. Get him out of there and see what you can do with him. If the price is cheap, TOR will show some interest.
Why do Bulls fans hate him?
Pat has been a guy I've followed since college, he's a very polarizing player.
He's a career 41% 3 point shooter, but he only shoots when he's WIDE open(3.6 attempts PER36 for his career). He lacks the aggressiveness to create plays for himself and others.
He's 6-8, 240 lbs, with a 7-0 wingspan but he only averages 5.4 RPG PER36 (8.4 REB% for his career).
He's a very good defender who can defend the 2,3, and 4 position at a very high level, which is his calling card, but offensively... he's just there. Problem is he puts together stretches where he looks like OG Anunoby and then he reverts back to his passive ways, the kid is super talented, but he might be the most passive player in the league.
Re: Jake Fischer: Toronto, OKC, Charlotte Possible Landing Spot for Pat Williams
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:45 pm
by Zeno
You might not be impressed now, but wait until he smiles more.