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Round 1: Ja'Kobe Walter (No. 19)
Round 2: Jonathan Mogbo (No. 31), Jamal Shead (No. 45 via Sacramento), Ulrich Chomche (No. 57 via Memphis)

I'll admit I'm not totally sure why my projections were quite so high on Walter, who ranked sixth. Getting him at the No. 19 pick is solid value and represents Toronto taking another shot on adding valuable wing shooting after drafting Gradey Dick a year ago.

Mogbo was one of my favorite sleepers in this year's draft. His ability to play up positionally at barely 6-foot-6 barefoot using athleticism and effort is somewhat reminiscent of former Raptors big man Precious Achiuwa. Shead is an experienced college point guard who enjoyed a breakthrough campaign last season at age 21.

Indiana Pacers: A
Round 2: Johnny Furphy (No. 35 via San Antonio), Tristen Newton (No. 49), Enrique Freeman (No. 50)

Despite not having a first-round pick, the Pacers landed the No. 5 player in my projections when they moved up one spot to stop Furphy's slide into the second round. I get why scouts might not have believed Furphy was a lottery talent as my projections suggested, but to see him not go in the first round was legitimately shocking. If Furphy develops as a shooter with size, he'd fit well alongside Pascal Siakam in the Indiana frontcourt.

Later, the Pacers picked a pair of 23-year-old college veterans who rated well for their age in Newton and Freeman, both of whom have the potential to contribute immediately as late second-rounders.

Blazing_royale wrote:Pretty happy with our draft selections and trades done so far. Excited for the summer league.

Thaddy wrote:Stretch defensive C
Barnes
3+D wing
Dick
Walter

That's the dream and why we took Dick and Walter. We don't need a traditional PG with Barnes being the point forward.

Phezmo123 wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Stretch defensive C
Barnes
3+D wing
Dick
Walter

That's the dream and why we took Dick and Walter. We don't need a traditional PG with Barnes being the point forward.

Where do future all stars RJ and IQ fit into this?

Thaddy wrote:Stretch defensive C
Barnes
3+D wing
Dick
Walter

That's the dream and why we took Dick and Walter. We don't need a traditional PG with Barnes being the point forward.

Merit wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Stretch defensive C
Barnes
3+D wing
Dick
Walter

That's the dream and why we took Dick and Walter. We don't need a traditional PG with Barnes being the point forward.

Waiting for wiggins

Phezmo123 wrote:

Merit wrote:

Thaddy wrote:Stretch defensive C
Barnes
3+D wing
Dick
Walter

That's the dream and why we took Dick and Walter. We don't need a traditional PG with Barnes being the point forward.

Waiting for wiggins

Literally why?

IQ and RJ are better players than Wiggins.

Wiggins is just a 3+D wing, which you don't trade all-star level players for.

I'll admit I'm not totally sure why my projections were quite so high on Walter, who ranked sixth.

Raps in 4 wrote:

I'll admit I'm not totally sure why my projections were quite so high on Walter, who ranked sixth.

What the **** is this fool talking about? He ranked Walter #6 but doesn't know why, so he's giving us a B+? Sports analysts are **** morons.

Raps in 4 wrote:

Phezmo123 wrote:

Merit wrote:
Waiting for wiggins

Literally why?

IQ and RJ are better players than Wiggins.

Wiggins is just a 3+D wing, which you don't trade all-star level players for.

And a bad one at that.

CPT wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:

I'll admit I'm not totally sure why my projections were quite so high on Walter, who ranked sixth.

What the **** is this fool talking about? He ranked Walter #6 but doesn't know why, so he's giving us a B+? Sports analysts are **** morons.

It does sound kind of dumb, but he's clearly referring to some kind of statistical projection. He feels it doesn't match with the eye test or his overall perception of Walter.

Sports analysts as a whole are morons, especially as they are steered more towards hot takes for engagement, but Givony is solid. He absolutely knows more about each and every prospect than any of us would even know about one. This is not SAS being put at a desk to say "I have never seen this man before in my life."

Risk101 wrote:

Round 1: Ja'Kobe Walter (No. 19)
Round 2: Jonathan Mogbo (No. 31), Jamal Shead (No. 45 via Sacramento), Ulrich Chomche (No. 57 via Memphis)

I'll admit I'm not totally sure why my projections were quite so high on Walter, who ranked sixth. Getting him at the No. 19 pick is solid value and represents Toronto taking another shot on adding valuable wing shooting after drafting Gradey Dick a year ago.

Mogbo was one of my favorite sleepers in this year's draft. His ability to play up positionally at barely 6-foot-6 barefoot using athleticism and effort is somewhat reminiscent of former Raptors big man Precious Achiuwa. Shead is an experienced college point guard who enjoyed a breakthrough campaign last season at age 21.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40429028/2024-nba-draft-grades-winners-losers-sleepers-all-30-teams-classes

ontnut wrote:

Risk101 wrote:

Round 1: Ja'Kobe Walter (No. 19)
Round 2: Jonathan Mogbo (No. 31), Jamal Shead (No. 45 via Sacramento), Ulrich Chomche (No. 57 via Memphis)

I'll admit I'm not totally sure why my projections were quite so high on Walter, who ranked sixth. Getting him at the No. 19 pick is solid value and represents Toronto taking another shot on adding valuable wing shooting after drafting Gradey Dick a year ago.

Mogbo was one of my favorite sleepers in this year's draft. His ability to play up positionally at barely 6-foot-6 barefoot using athleticism and effort is somewhat reminiscent of former Raptors big man Precious Achiuwa. Shead is an experienced college point guard who enjoyed a breakthrough campaign last season at age 21.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40429028/2024-nba-draft-grades-winners-losers-sleepers-all-30-teams-classes

Yo Givony, if you rated a guy 6th, and a team gets them at 19th, that's gotta be way above a B+ grade.
Then tack on one of your "favorite sleepers" getting drafted late...so....How do you arrive at this B+ grade? What kinda arbitrary grading is this?

It's almost like I'm drunk...so here's my bar review. This bar's completely empty. Cute girls everywhere though, and the 'tender just gave me a free scotch. C- grade. You figure it out.

Merit wrote:

CPT wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:
What the **** is this fool talking about? He ranked Walter #6 but doesn't know why, so he's giving us a B+? Sports analysts are **** morons.

It does sound kind of dumb, but he's clearly referring to some kind of statistical projection. He feels it doesn't match with the eye test or his overall perception of Walter.

Sports analysts as a whole are morons, especially as they are steered more towards hot takes for engagement, but Givony is solid. He absolutely knows more about each and every prospect than any of us would even know about one. This is not SAS being put at a desk to say "I have never seen this man before in my life."

I rate givony’s honesty, but it does make one wonder how he came up with his spreadsheet formulas that rank players.

Of course, there’s more to life than the projections alone - the eye test + work ethic + character etc. Consider me curious as to what’s on his sheet and what’s rated where.

Regardless, in a flat draft we went in. I’m definitely content with that.

1 reed sheppard
2 donovan clingan
3 sarr
4 edey
5 furphy
6 jacoby walters
41 Jonathan Mogbo
46 Jamal Shead

my projections start with translating what players have done before with what they will do in the NBA for 14 core statistics: 2-point percentage; 3-point percentage; free throw percentage; offensive and defensive rebound percentage; assists; steals and fouls per 100 team plays; blocks per 100 2-point attempts; percentage of individual plays devoted to 2-point, 3-point and free throw attempts; turnovers; and usage rate.
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this process also adjusts for strength of schedule to put players who faced different levels of competition on a level playing field.
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Utilizing multiple seasons of data yields better projections than looking solely at the most recent season. In fact, for college players I've found that earlier seasons tend to project NBA performance better than more recent seasons because older prospects no longer have the same experience advantage in the NBA. So the player's most recent season is weighted two times, the season before that (if available) three times, and two seasons before that five times. The weights are opposite for international prospects, who haven't demonstrated the same pattern because they are playing against older opponents.
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I introduced consensus projections that also include the league's assessment of a prospect's talent
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Risk101 wrote:After trading away there first round pick to us Indiana some how gets a better draft grade then we did.

Time will tell I guess.

Indiana Pacers: A
Round 2: Johnny Furphy (No. 35 via San Antonio), Tristen Newton (No. 49), Enrique Freeman (No. 50)

Despite not having a first-round pick, the Pacers landed the No. 5 player in my projections when they moved up one spot to stop Furphy's slide into the second round. I get why scouts might not have believed Furphy was a lottery talent as my projections suggested, but to see him not go in the first round was legitimately shocking. If Furphy develops as a shooter with size, he'd fit well alongside Pascal Siakam in the Indiana frontcourt.

Later, the Pacers picked a pair of 23-year-old college veterans who rated well for their age in Newton and Freeman, both of whom have the potential to contribute immediately as late second-rounders.