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Blake Murphy: Where Toronto stands after Off-Season Moves 

Post#1 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:35 pm

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Gary Trent Jr. agreeing to a one-year, minimum contract with the Milwaukee Bucks on Tuesday did not signal the end of the NBA off-season. It did, however, signal the most official acceptance yet of the 2024 reality: A confluence of factors from the new collective bargaining agreement have had an outsized impact on the 2024 free agent group’s middle class.

To make things simpler than they are, let’s call it three primary factors acting on the market for players like Trent right now.



The first is the introduction of a second luxury tax apron, beyond which the highest-spending teams face even larger tax penalties and, more importantly, serious limitations to how they’re allowed to build their roster. Teams at the highest echelons of spending don’t have as many exceptions and accounting tricks as in prior years to keep adding to a contending core; teams in the moderately-high spending tiers don’t want to risk reaching that second apron and being similarly restricted.

The second is a dearth of cap space, generally, for teams to chase free agents. More and more over the last decade, teams have decided to operate above the salary cap, eschewing real cap space to keep Bird rights on their own players and open up the mid-level exception. The Raptors are a great example — only once in Masai Ujiri’s tenure have they actually operated as a cap-space team (signing DeMarre Carroll), instead deciding it’s more valuable to, say, take on salary from the Kings in a trade to pick up assets and pick up the team option on Bruce Brown, rather than see what’s out there on the market. There just isn’t nearly as much real cap space out there as the size of contracts suggests, and most of it is hoarded by teams who aren’t exactly competitive.

A third factor is that teams can now save their mid-level exception to use as a trade exception in-season. There is an opportunity cost to using the mid-level now that wasn’t there before.

Those factors may not be permanent. Teams will learn how to better build around the looming threat of punitive tax charges and roster-building restrictions, or they’ll eventually get desperate enough to accept them. Players could prioritize money-in-hand via veteran extensions, which have had maximum allowable raises increased, over what looks like riskier free agency for non-star players, a trend that materialized early this free agent season. Teams may realize that using the mid-level as a trade chip isn’t worth missing out on a player in the offseason, given how many other ways there are to create trade exceptions (like turning Josh Okogie into a walking one, for example).

For this summer, though, Trent and players like him were left to navigate one of the most uncertain off-seasons in memory. The Toronto Raptors were no longer interested in retaining Trent, and with so few teams operating with cap space or even the full mid-level exception ($12.8 million in Year 1), Trent was left to make a difficult choice. In the end, he opted to reunite with Damian Lillard and contend for a championship on a one-year minimum ($2.6 million) rather than taking multi-year offers at the smaller mid-level ($5.2 million in Year 1) that were on the table, according to league sources.

What follows is a notebook on other contract and market details as it pertains to the Raptors off-season.


Scottie Barnes

When the Raptors signed Pascal Siakam to a maximum rookie-scale extension before the 2019-20 season, his actual “maximum” could have been a few different maximums, depending on which criteria he met that season. When he made All-NBA Second Team, he jumped from making 25 per cent of the 2020-21 salary cap to 28 per cent. Had he made All-NBA First Team, that would have been 29 per cent. Had he won MVP, it would have been 30 per cent. It meant that each successive Siakam achievement in 2019-20 would impact his salary for the next four years.

The maximum rookie-scale extension for Barnes is much simpler.

His 2025-26 salary will be 25 per cent of the 2025-26 salary cap but will jump to 30 per cent if he makes any All-NBA team or wins MVP or Defensive Player of the Year this season. There are no successive levels of achievement and different percentages; it’s 25 per cent or 30, a projected difference of about $50 million based on current cap estimates. It also doesn’t matter if he achieves those accolades in future years; his 2024-25 performance solely dictates what the five-year extension looks like.

Barnes’ contract also contains a 15 per cent trade kicker. If he is dealt at any point during the contract, he’ll receive a 15 per cent bonus — payable by the Raptors, not his new team — though that can’t push him past the maximum salary. (Functionally, this just means hey, if you trade me and the cap has gone up a lot, I get topped up to the new max.)

Immanuel Quickley contract details

There are a few small details about Quickley’s massive new deal that lessen the sticker shock slightly, though not enough to change your thinking on the big-picture decisions. The first is that the deal is flat, meaning he earns the same every season, so with the cap projected to rise 10 per cent annually for the foreseeable future, the share of the cap Quickley takes up will decrease each year. In addition, while reported as a five-year, $175-million contract, Quickley’s deal is actually for $162.5 million, with the ability to earn another $12.5 million in “unlikely incentives.”

In CBA terms, “unlikely” just means that the player didn’t achieve those incentives the year prior. However, sources indicated to Sportsnet that the incentives are, actually, unlikely. And so it’s better to proceed with Quickley’s contract as a flat $32.5 million on the books each year.



Other assorted notes

* As things currently stand, the Raptors are about $4.7 million below the luxury tax line, assuming unlikely incentives are not achieved. If Vezenkov is bought out, that number could grow. When looking at possible late additions to the roster, that’s the number to look at, even though the Raptors technically have their full mid-level (starting at $12.8 million) available to them. They won’t pay the tax in a non-contending year, not when the tax payouts league-wide are well into the eight-figures if you’re a non-tax team.

* The Raptors have 16 players under (non-two-way) contract, and Javon Freeman-Liberty is the only one of those without a full guarantee. He has $100,000 guaranteed, which will increase to $150,000 next week and $800,000 if he makes the opening night roster. His future could depend as much on the Vezenkov situation and the play of the team’s other young guards this summer. He’s a well-liked piece, but as currently constructed, there would have to be one cut made, and it’s usually the guy without the guarantee (especially if the team just drafted two backcourt players and you’re a combo-guard). He’d have immediate two-way interest around the NBA if let go.

* Canadian Quincy Guerrier is reported to have signed an Exhibit 10 contract with the Raptors, which would bring him into camp and give him a bonus to supplement the G League salary if he’s cut and joins Raptors 905. Among the unsigned players on Toronto’s Summer League roster, Jamison Battle seems like a good bet to be offered an Exhibit 10, as well. A lot changes quickly once Summer League ends, with guys changing programs or being signed elsewhere and so on, but Battle’s stood out for his shooting ability at good size, and would be a worthwhile 905 piece.

* On that same note, the Raptors allowed Drew Timme to bow out of their Summer League roster to continue playing with the Kings after participating in the California Classic with them. He was replaced by Canadian Fardaws Aimaq, who they subsequently released so he could pursue a more sizeable opportunity with the Nuggets’ Summer League team. These things happen every year, during and after Vegas. It’s good business to be easy to do business with.
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Re: Blake Murphy: Where Toronto stands after Off-Season Moves 

Post#2 » by PhilBlackson » Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:43 pm

I missed the part where Bruce Brown gets traded to lol
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Re: Blake Murphy: Where Toronto stands after Off-Season Moves 

Post#3 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:06 am

Scottie
IQ
RJ
Poeltl
Olynyk
Bruce Brown
Davion Mitchell
Agbaji
Dick
JKW
Shead
Mogbo
Temple
Boucher
Sasha
/15 guaranteed

non guranteed invite
Freeman Liberty

2ways
Carlson
Chomche
Carton

Exibit 10
Battle
Guerrier

/21 total for training camp

kicker here is what happens with sasha which if i had to guess will open up a spot with a buy out
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Post#4 » by Zeno » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:10 am

WuTang_OG wrote:Scottie
IQ
RJ
Poeltl
Olynyk
Bruce Brown
Davion Mitchell
Agbaji
Dick
JKW
Shead
Mogbo
Temple
Boucher
Sasha
/15 guaranteed

non guranteed invite
Freeman Liberty

2ways
Carlson
Chomche
Carton

Exibit 10
Battle
Guerrier

/21 total for training camp

kicker here is what happens with sasha which if i had to guess will open up a spot with a buy out

Tyler Perry also on exhibit 10.
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2024/6/28/mens-basketball-perry-signs-exhibit-10-deal-with-toronto-raptors
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Re: Blake Murphy: Where Toronto stands after Off-Season Moves 

Post#5 » by Indeed » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:25 am

I don't see Trent has anything to do with teams being above the cap. There are many players getting above average salary, Claxton for example. Clearly teams do not see the value from Trent, not a starter level player to get the starter salary. It says so much about our roster the last few years while having him starts.

Meanwhile, speechless on the Barnes contract with that trade kicker. Not necessary imo.
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Post#6 » by Appostis » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:40 am

JFL is not getting a spot.
If Sasha leaves money on the table, battle probably gets that last spot.

This changes if Kololo is cleared to come back... If that's the case you sign him.
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Post#7 » by kalel123 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:14 am

Almost nothing on Bruce Brown when he's one of the biggest pieces we are looking to move this offseason.
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Post#8 » by navyblue » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:41 am

Indeed wrote:I don't see Trent has anything to do with teams being above the cap. There are many players getting above average salary, Claxton for example. Clearly teams do not see the value from Trent, not a starter level player to get the starter salary. It says so much about our roster the last few years while having him starts.

Meanwhile, speechless on the Barnes contract with that trade kicker. Not necessary imo.

As blake put it the 15% trade kicker just makes it that in case he gets traded, he will only get 2% really. Cause his salary goes up 8% and cap goes 10% and he can't get more than the 25/30% max he already signed for.
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Post#9 » by JN » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:51 am

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Indeed wrote:I don't see Trent has anything to do with teams being above the cap. There are many players getting above average salary, Claxton for example. Clearly teams do not see the value from Trent, not a starter level player to get the starter salary. It says so much about our roster the last few years while having him starts.

Meanwhile, speechless on the Barnes contract with that trade kicker. Not necessary imo.

As blake put it the 15% trade kicker just makes it that in case he gets traded, he will only get 2% really. Cause his salary goes up 8% and cap goes 10% and he can't get more than the 25/30% max he already signed for.


Wouldn't that depend on when he gets traded. After year 1, it might only be 2%.

If its before year 5, that differential will have grown by 2% each year.... so the trade kicker would end up being 8% (actual a little more than 8% as it accrues on itself each year).
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Post#10 » by Scase » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:27 am

PhilBlackson wrote:I missed the part where Bruce Brown gets traded to lol

It's right here :

and pick up the team option on Bruce Brown, rather than see what’s out there on the market. There just isn’t nearly as much real cap space out there as the size of contracts suggests, and most of it is hoarded by teams who aren’t exactly competitive.


Where he pretends like we aren't one of those teams who aren't competitive, yet don't have any cap space because BB was more valuable. The Bridges and DD trades just proved how picking up the option was a bad idea, if you're a team that isn't competing, you should have cap space to facilitate trades and a 3rd/4th team.

With BB, we're operating as a team on the cusp of something, looking to improve the roster, instead of building assets.
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Post#11 » by Scase » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:29 am

Indeed wrote:I don't see Trent has anything to do with teams being above the cap. There are many players getting above average salary, Claxton for example. Clearly teams do not see the value from Trent, not a starter level player to get the starter salary. It says so much about our roster the last few years while having him starts.

Meanwhile, speechless on the Barnes contract with that trade kicker. Not necessary imo.

It's functionally meaningless though, the chance we trade Barnes at any point during that contract is like sub 1%. And it presumably fosters goodwill with the player, it shows you have faith and are committed to them long term. I think it's largely irrelevant, and definitely better than the player options the FO likes to hand out like candy on halloween.
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Post#12 » by Indeed » Wed Jul 17, 2024 4:40 am

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navyblue wrote:
Indeed wrote:I don't see Trent has anything to do with teams being above the cap. There are many players getting above average salary, Claxton for example. Clearly teams do not see the value from Trent, not a starter level player to get the starter salary. It says so much about our roster the last few years while having him starts.

Meanwhile, speechless on the Barnes contract with that trade kicker. Not necessary imo.

As blake put it the 15% trade kicker just makes it that in case he gets traded, he will only get 2% really. Cause his salary goes up 8% and cap goes 10% and he can't get more than the 25/30% max he already signed for.


Wouldn't that depend on when he gets traded. After year 1, it might only be 2%.

If its before year 5, that differential will have grown by 2% each year.... so the trade kicker would end up being 8% (actual a little more than 8% as it accrues on itself each year).


And that reminds me of Bargnani and Calderon on their trade kickers.
Meanwhile, I am unsure Siakam has a trade kicker, thought they have to earn it, instead of being a golden boy and get what is asked for without proving that far.
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Post#13 » by Kingsway_fan » Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:50 am

Scase wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:I missed the part where Bruce Brown gets traded to lol

It's right here :

and pick up the team option on Bruce Brown, rather than see what’s out there on the market. There just isn’t nearly as much real cap space out there as the size of contracts suggests, and most of it is hoarded by teams who aren’t exactly competitive.


Where he pretends like we aren't one of those teams who aren't competitive, yet don't have any cap space because BB was more valuable. The Bridges and DD trades just proved how picking up the option was a bad idea, if you're a team that isn't competing, you should have cap space to facilitate trades and a 3rd/4th team.

With BB, we're operating as a team on the cusp of something, looking to improve the roster, instead of building assets.


Masai looking at the play in... and likes to play the good guy in rewarding players he traded for ... esp when he got fleeced by Indiana...
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Post#14 » by Thaddy » Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:51 am

We are in the first year of a rebuild. It makes sense to start Dick even if it makes us worse. I'm expecting a mid season Poeltl trade and a bench full of young players.
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Post#15 » by NinjaBro » Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:58 am

Thaddy wrote:We are in the first year of a rebuild. It makes sense to start Dick even if it makes us worse. I'm expecting a mid season Poeltl trade and a bench full of young players.
We need to rip off the band aid and start the young guys if we're truly committed to the rebuild. No more half measures.

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Post#16 » by 2019nbachamps » Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:41 am

We’re gonna be really bad this season. You can’t win with 5 NBA players and a bunch of prospects.

My hopes for this season are our main 3 guys take the next step, Dick gives us more minutes, we trade Poeltl and Brown, 1-2 of our prospects prove they’re NBA players, and get lucky in the lottery and get a high pick.
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Post#17 » by TravisScott55 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 11:57 am

Thaddy wrote:We are in the first year of a rebuild. It makes sense to start Dick even if it makes us worse. I'm expecting a mid season Poeltl trade and a bench full of young players.


Agreed.
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Post#18 » by SpezNc » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:15 pm

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Thaddy wrote:We are in the first year of a rebuild. It makes sense to start Dick even if it makes us worse. I'm expecting a mid season Poeltl trade and a bench full of young players.


Agreed.


I think the organization wants to win now. They will patient and they understand we are still developing. But I really think that the organization is aiming at a playoff spot . And from there they are 1 or 2 wins away from the playoffs.

I don’t think the “ year 1 of the rebuild” means we are rebuilding and somewhat tanking . I think it means it’s year 1 of improvement.

They want to see improvements this year .

They may considers trading Poeltl but I think they considers him too valuable for now.

We already know that this front office takes forever to trade a core player .

Gradey might starts but I think the 5th starter will be by committee/ rotation depending of the opposite lineup.

I see all of Gradey , Bruce, Kelly, Davion and Sasha (if stays) as potential 5th starter.

But I don’t think at the beginning of the season that one specific player will be label as the 5th starter

But if Gradey takes a leap, maybe at some point in the season he can. I think that’s the hope when Bobby put him in the starting lineup (Barnes, Quick, RJ, Jakub, Gradey and then you have the bench).
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Post#19 » by ash_k » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:39 pm

2019nbachamps wrote:We’re gonna be really bad this season. You can’t win with 5 NBA players and a bunch of prospects.

My hopes for this season are our main 3 guys take the next step, Dick gives us more minutes, we trade Poeltl and Brown, 1-2 of our prospects prove they’re NBA players, and get lucky in the lottery and get a high pick.


The next step for a group of players like this that has already been in playoff battles individually is to make the playoffs together even ONE ROUND: Then you can re-assess the "fit" depending on the performances&improvements shown. (like we did after that first round loss against 'F' Brooklyn)

Nobody takes a next step by losing (especially with the make up of our roster). All losing does is create conflicts and tensions like players walking off the court...too many keep posting like our roster is the same make up as the Pistons (as their roster has no record of winning nor performing under the pressure(TOBIAS)).

There are already 3 young 20pts scorers in our starting 5 hence no room for a 4th one(that 'High pick' wish).
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Post#20 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:57 pm

First year of a re-build, that should have happened five years ago.
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