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Someone’s not getting mins @ sg

You forgot Ochai.

Personally I would start Gradey but I think they'll pick Ochai because of his defence. But I hope he comes off the bench at both SG & SF, then once JaKobe gets his conditioning and rhythm back, JW can back up at SG, Ochai at SF and don't care about Brown, I'm not buying he's gonna do much (if anything) for his trade value. Teams either still keep the memory of him in DEN dear or they don't lol but him getting a lay up here or there won't do anything.

Gradey and Brown play for now. Send Walter to the 905 until we flip Brown later in the season. Walter needs to go the route that Gradey went on last year. Plus the 905 can use some help.

Walter will be in the Gleague / Ochai or Grady will start. Someone will be backup SG & the other back up SF

Also RJ

who ever plays the best defense must start

PhilBlackson wrote:You forgot Ochai.

Personally I would start Gradey but I think they'll pick Ochai because of his defence. But I hope he comes off the bench at both SG & SF, then once JaKobe gets his conditioning and rhythm back, JW can back up at SG, Ochai at SF and don't care about Brown, I'm not buying he's gonna do much (if anything) for his trade value. Teams either still keep the memory of him in DEN dear or they don't lol but him getting a lay up here or there won't do anything.

Still don't get why they picked up Brown's overpaid team option?

They can pick up a 1st pick by taking on $6 million in extra salary. Like Kira Lewis. Use the OKC / Sean Marks BK trades.

Only reason is to go after players that make over $30 million and I don't see anyone worthy.

Walter to the G league, he needs reps and to get up to speed post injury. Battle and Shead also out of the rotation/to the G league.
Gradey continues to start, he's the most important development project.
Agbaji gets full bench SF minutes, fewer at SG.
Brown gets some bench PG + near full bench SG minutes, #1 option on the bench unit to showcase him.
Davion probably gets the left over minutes at PG.
Barrett moves up a spot to get some bench PF minutes, Boucher takes nearly the full bench C minutes, with Mogbo 3rd string.

Not Walter or Brown.

I think Browns purpose for this season was always to be a good vet for our young guys, its probably why he had his surgery when he did, to not interfere with playing time. How much he gets paid is irrelevant when we didn't have anyone else we should have been giving that money to. We're not over the cap and we're not signing vets, we have more than enough young guys to develop, it made perfect sense. If a team makes an offer for him hell be dealt

Too many people got this idea that he expected to get dealt to a contender and we were expected to trade him

Perhaps we can wait for them to be healthy before we decide. I don't want to see someone re-aggravate their injury, rather they take their time, otherwise, we cannot evaluate them anyway.

And I hope Mogbo and Walter can go to 905 for a month and have a program for getting their offense to the bench level. Currently it is difficult to watch having them do nothing on offense.

Walter didnt have a training camp so let him go to the G League to get the rust off and get stronger aka the Dick program.

Brown plays until the trade deadline when we hopefully trade him *don't screw this up masai*.

Then we call Walter up and go with the total youth movement after the deadline.

Psubs wrote:

PhilBlackson wrote:You forgot Ochai.

Personally I would start Gradey but I think they'll pick Ochai because of his defence. But I hope he comes off the bench at both SG & SF, then once JaKobe gets his conditioning and rhythm back, JW can back up at SG, Ochai at SF and don't care about Brown, I'm not buying he's gonna do much (if anything) for his trade value. Teams either still keep the memory of him in DEN dear or they don't lol but him getting a lay up here or there won't do anything.

Still don't get why they picked up Brown's overpaid team option?

They can pick up a 1st pick by taking on $6 million in extra salary. Like Kira Lewis. Use the OKC / Sean Marks BK trades.

Only reason is to go after players that make over $30 million and I don't see anyone worthy.

Keeping Brown essentially allowed them to keep an asset to punt down the road another year.

Who knows if it ends up being worth anything but Masai likes to keep options open.

With how good last off-season went with draft and trades, let's see if he has a great follow-up trade deadline.

As for the OP....Walter goes to 905 for sure while Brown guys some rotation time...taking minutes from Shead who joins Walter....and Battle in 905. Mogbo will join them too once Barnes and KO are back. Give all the new youth lots of minutes in 905 and build chemistry among one another with Chomche.

Shead
Walter
Battle
Mogbo
Chomche

Run them out as a 5 man unit!

Tripod wrote:

Psubs wrote:

PhilBlackson wrote:You forgot Ochai.

Personally I would start Gradey but I think they'll pick Ochai because of his defence. But I hope he comes off the bench at both SG & SF, then once JaKobe gets his conditioning and rhythm back, JW can back up at SG, Ochai at SF and don't care about Brown, I'm not buying he's gonna do much (if anything) for his trade value. Teams either still keep the memory of him in DEN dear or they don't lol but him getting a lay up here or there won't do anything.

Still don't get why they picked up Brown's overpaid team option?

They can pick up a 1st pick by taking on $6 million in extra salary. Like Kira Lewis. Use the OKC / Sean Marks BK trades.

Only reason is to go after players that make over $30 million and I don't see anyone worthy.

Keeping Brown essentially allowed them to keep an asset to punt down the road another year.

Who knows if it ends up being worth anything but Masai likes to keep options open.

With how good last off-season went with draft and trades, let's see if he has a great follow-up trade deadline.

Yeah I have to agree about keeping Brown ALTHOUGH I do remember EARLY ON hearing rumblings that we were offered a 24' FRP for BUT that Masai wanted a 25' and since then Brown has been in & out of the lineup with injury (obv out all of this year so far)....

Putting that aside, there really wasn't a great free agent class so having cap space was rather pointless so as a worst case scenario we saved our cap space for possibly better free agents this coming off season AND we'll have a better feel for what types of players we should be signing to better fill out the roster. The additional time also helps some of the teams flirting with the lux tax and tax aprons a bit more time to sweat and think what are they willing to part with to keep A LOT more money in their pockets.

In the end I think if the Raps get a trade for him, I'm doubtful they'll get a 25' as they had hoped/prayed but heck when I see how Masai finessed the Kings for Davion & Shead, who knows?! lol But my personal guess is if he is traded it's to a team like the Lakers for someone like Rui or maybe to the Nets + the IND pick for Cam Johnson (not saying that's what I'd want, I'd rather keep the pick tbh).

But I think they'll end up trying (not sure they'll be successful doing so) to find a younger-ish, win now type of player that will start setting them up to either sadly make a Play In run this year BUT hopefully not where instead they have them join a group of players with mysterious "injuries" to end the season, secure the top 5 or so pick then start absolutely cooking next season.

PhilBlackson wrote:

Tripod wrote:

Psubs wrote:
Still don't get why they picked up Brown's overpaid team option?

They can pick up a 1st pick by taking on $6 million in extra salary. Like Kira Lewis. Use the OKC / Sean Marks BK trades.

Only reason is to go after players that make over $30 million and I don't see anyone worthy.

Keeping Brown essentially allowed them to keep an asset to punt down the road another year.

Who knows if it ends up being worth anything but Masai likes to keep options open.

With how good last off-season went with draft and trades, let's see if he has a great follow-up trade deadline.

Yeah I have to agree about keeping Brown ALTHOUGH I do remember EARLY ON hearing rumblings that we were offered a 24' FRP for BUT that Masai wanted a 25' and since then Brown has been in & out of the lineup with injury (obv out all of this year so far)....

Putting that aside, there really wasn't a great free agent class so having cap space was rather pointless so as a worst case scenario we saved our cap space for possibly better free agents this coming off season AND we'll have a better feel for what types of players we should be signing to better fill out the roster. The additional time also helps some of the teams flirting with the lux tax and tax aprons a bit more time to sweat and think what are they willing to part with to keep A LOT more money in their pockets.

In the end I think if the Raps get a trade for him, I'm doubtful they'll get a 25' as they had hoped/prayed but heck when I see how Masai finessed the Kings for Davion & Shead, who knows?! lol But my personal guess is if he is traded it's to a team like the Lakers for someone like Rui or maybe to the Nets + the IND pick for Cam Johnson (not saying that's what I'd want, I'd rather keep the pick tbh).

But I think they'll end up trying (not sure they'll be successful doing so) to find a younger-ish, win now type of player that will start setting them up to either sadly make a Play In run this BUT hopefully not where instead they have them join a group of players with mysterious "injuries" to end the season.

Personally given we have our 1st + Port#2, I would be fine if we just tried to keep building up the future pipeline.

We know if we move Brown a player or 2 are coming back. One we likely waive or move to another team. Other we keep. If we could get a 1st in 2027....lottery protected...fine by me.

Try this year by trading Brown and Boucher to add more assets to 2027/2028.

At least this year the product on the court is exciting to watch all while you can see improvements across the board. And might actually have a pipeline of kids coming year after year as cheap contracts are always going to he welcome.

Tripod wrote:

PhilBlackson wrote:

Tripod wrote:Keeping Brown essentially allowed them to keep an asset to punt down the road another year.

Who knows if it ends up being worth anything but Masai likes to keep options open.

With how good last off-season went with draft and trades, let's see if he has a great follow-up trade deadline.

Yeah I have to agree about keeping Brown ALTHOUGH I do remember EARLY ON hearing rumblings that we were offered a 24' FRP for BUT that Masai wanted a 25' and since then Brown has been in & out of the lineup with injury (obv out all of this year so far)....

Putting that aside, there really wasn't a great free agent class so having cap space was rather pointless so as a worst case scenario we saved our cap space for possibly better free agents this coming off season AND we'll have a better feel for what types of players we should be signing to better fill out the roster. The additional time also helps some of the teams flirting with the lux tax and tax aprons a bit more time to sweat and think what are they willing to part with to keep A LOT more money in their pockets.

In the end I think if the Raps get a trade for him, I'm doubtful they'll get a 25' as they had hoped/prayed but heck when I see how Masai finessed the Kings for Davion & Shead, who knows?! lol But my personal guess is if he is traded it's to a team like the Lakers for someone like Rui or maybe to the Nets + the IND pick for Cam Johnson (not saying that's what I'd want, I'd rather keep the pick tbh).

But I think they'll end up trying (not sure they'll be successful doing so) to find a younger-ish, win now type of player that will start setting them up to either sadly make a Play In run this BUT hopefully not where instead they have them join a group of players with mysterious "injuries" to end the season.

Personally given we have our 1st + Port#2, I would be fine if we just tried to keep building up the future pipeline.

We know if we move Brown a player or 2 are coming back. One we likely waive or move to another team. Other we keep. If we could get a 1st in 2027....lottery protected...fine by me.

Try this year by trading Brown and Boucher to add more assets to 2027/2028.

At least this year the product on the court is exciting to watch all while you can see improvements across the board. And might actually have a pipeline of kids coming year after year as cheap contracts are always going to he welcome.

I'm all for future 1sts...I'm just personally doubtful someone is going to trade that far out for what would obviously be a short term Playoff run rental of Bruce/and more so a tax savings team. Generally those teams are ones facing a rebuild by the time 27-28' are rolling around.

I understand you said lottery protection but I just don't see a team that can see a rebuild on the horizon wanting to ever risk having a year where they've clearly taken a few steps back and be stuck having to give up their pick to further prolong it when they'd so obviously just tank the season and then it converts to 2nds which a couple of seconds in 29'+ really isn't all that impactful.

Which is again why I think a move like "Rui" where we get the slightly better & younger rotation piece as a result of taking on additional year(s) of salary OR it's to a rival tank team that wants to shed ok players like Cam Johnson, Jon Collins, Robert Williams, etc but then they're the teams wanting us to add some sort of pick, that hopefully we'd offer a collection of SRPs with instead BUT again I could see our FO willing to add the IND pick if they believe it's a good, solid younger-ish player that they'd expect to be a part of the next 3 or so years of growing. I think they continue to try to find guys in that 24-27ish age bracket that are gonna contribute pretty much asap. Again this not something I hope they do, it's just what I think the FO will do. I think they're trying to actively re-shape the roster, not put it further down the road.

Quick/Mitchell/Shead
RJ/Brown/Jakobe
Dick/Ochai
Scottie/Mogbo
Poeltl/Boucher/Kelly

Jakobe, Shead and Mogbo go to the G League when everyone comes back.

You gotta put Brown higher in the my so called life Peking Order than Jakobe. He can go rot in the gleague or whatever.

PhilBlackson wrote:

Tripod wrote:

PhilBlackson wrote:
Yeah I have to agree about keeping Brown ALTHOUGH I do remember EARLY ON hearing rumblings that we were offered a 24' FRP for BUT that Masai wanted a 25' and since then Brown has been in & out of the lineup with injury (obv out all of this year so far)....

Putting that aside, there really wasn't a great free agent class so having cap space was rather pointless so as a worst case scenario we saved our cap space for possibly better free agents this coming off season AND we'll have a better feel for what types of players we should be signing to better fill out the roster. The additional time also helps some of the teams flirting with the lux tax and tax aprons a bit more time to sweat and think what are they willing to part with to keep A LOT more money in their pockets.

In the end I think if the Raps get a trade for him, I'm doubtful they'll get a 25' as they had hoped/prayed but heck when I see how Masai finessed the Kings for Davion & Shead, who knows?! lol But my personal guess is if he is traded it's to a team like the Lakers for someone like Rui or maybe to the Nets + the IND pick for Cam Johnson (not saying that's what I'd want, I'd rather keep the pick tbh).

But I think they'll end up trying (not sure they'll be successful doing so) to find a younger-ish, win now type of player that will start setting them up to either sadly make a Play In run this BUT hopefully not where instead they have them join a group of players with mysterious "injuries" to end the season.

Personally given we have our 1st + Port#2, I would be fine if we just tried to keep building up the future pipeline.

We know if we move Brown a player or 2 are coming back. One we likely waive or move to another team. Other we keep. If we could get a 1st in 2027....lottery protected...fine by me.

Try this year by trading Brown and Boucher to add more assets to 2027/2028.

At least this year the product on the court is exciting to watch all while you can see improvements across the board. And might actually have a pipeline of kids coming year after year as cheap contracts are always going to he welcome.

I'm all for future 1sts...I'm just personally doubtful someone is going to trade that far out for what would obviously be a short term Playoff run rental of Bruce/and more so a tax savings team. Generally those teams are ones facing a rebuild by the time 27-28' are rolling around.

I understand you said lottery protection but I just don't see a team that can see a rebuild on the horizon wanting to ever risk having a year where they've clearly taken a few steps back and be stuck having to give up their pick to further prolong it when they'd so obviously just tank the season and then it converts to 2nds which a couple of seconds in 29'+ really isn't all that impactful.

Which is again why I think a move like "Rui" where we get the slightly better & younger rotation piece as a result of taking on additional year(s) of salary OR it's to a rival tank team that wants to shed ok players like Cam Johnson, Jon Collins, Robert Williams, etc but then they're the teams wanting us to add some sort of pick, that hopefully we'd offer a collection of SRPs with instead BUT again I could see our FO willing to add the IND pick if they believe it's a good, solid younger-ish player that they'd expect to be a part of the next 3 or so years of growing. I think they continue to try to find guys in that 24-27ish age bracket that are gonna contribute pretty much asap. Again this not something I hope they do, it's just what I think the FO will do. I think they're trying to actively re-shape the roster, not put it further down the road.

I think Masai seeing Indy uneven play this year keeps that Indy pick in 2026 in case there is a serious implosion.

Jmo

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:You gotta put Brown higher in the my so called life Peking Order than Jakobe. He can go rot in the gleague or whatever.

Walter wouldn't rot in the GLeague, it would be similar to what was done with Gradey. He'll have a chance to build momentum and next year he'd be a rotation player.

The only reason Brown should be given minutes is so he can build trade value. He was a good player for a championship level team and another team will likely want him.