3 pt shooting - we've been really bad at it

[lobosloboslobos]

Not to oversimplify things too much, but it seems to me that winning in the NBA usually boils down to which team is hitting more 3s.

Raptors have been bad at 3s since winning the chip

This year (counting tonight's big boost): 23rd in the league, but 29th in 3 pt makes

2023-24 - 27th in 3pt %
2022-23 - 28th
2021-22 - 20th
2020-21 - 15th
2019-2020 - 5th

imagine if we became a top 5 shooting team again

could these young guys become it?
time will tell

[Van_Trump]

How about we make our free throws first?

Baby steps.

[PushDaRock]

On this roster, you have IQ, Gradey, Ja'Kobe and Battle all as potential movement shooters. Ochai and Olynyk could be considered good shooters as well. Then, you also have Scottie, RJ, Brown and Boucher that can at least make threes. Fully healthy, that seems like it should be enough shooting out there to at least be average.

[Psubs]

On this roster, you have IQ, Gradey, Ja'Kobe and Battle all as potential movement shooters. Ochai and Olynyk could be considered good shooters as well. Then, you also have Scottie, RJ, Brown and Boucher that can at least make threes. Fully healthy, that seems like it should be enough shooting out there to at least be average.

Scottie does a lot so he gets a pass, but the others shooting under 35% isn't helping the team unless you're a C.

Dump, RJ, Davion and Boucher and watch that rank go up.

[Thaddy]

This is a big reason why Barrett sucks. No three and no D.

If we could trade Barrett for Hachimura, Knecht, and Vincent. I would take it and run. We need more shooting now and in the future.

A team identity or culture of being the best shooting team in the league goes far.

Another target I would have is Huerter. He looks like he's cheap and ready for a new team. I think he'd be great here. Maybe Brown and we get picks.

Poeltl / Olynyk / Mogbo
Barnes / Hachimura / Battle
Knecht / Agbaji
Dick / Walter
Quickely / Huerter

Best shooting team in the league.

[Indeed]

From best (before last game):
Agbaji 42%
Battle 38%
Quickley 37%
Dick 34%
Barrett 32%
Boucher 31%
Mogbo 30% (low volume)
Mitchell 29%
Barnes 27%
Poeltl

Average this year for teams, 36%?

[RoteSchroder]

On this roster, you have IQ, Gradey, Ja'Kobe and Battle all as potential movement shooters. Ochai and Olynyk could be considered good shooters as well. Then, you also have Scottie, RJ, Brown and Boucher that can at least make threes. Fully healthy, that seems like it should be enough shooting out there to at least be average.

Scottie does a lot so he gets a pass, but the others shooting under 35% isn't helping the team unless you're a C.

Dump, RJ, Davion and Boucher and watch that rank go up.

Scottie definitely needs to improve his 3. There's no pass here. The man is about to get paid and many teams are starting to go 5 out on three point shooters. Not to mention, many in the league at the C position still aren't great 3 point shooters. We may not necessarily get our Turner/Chet/etc. type C.

I don't even mind him jacking up 3's this game, for instance, he just can't be hesitant or lack confidence at times, especially on catch and shoot/open 3's. We got a season to burn, just let it fly.

RJ could technically work out if he took on a more pass-first role. His catch and shoot ability is palatable.

People say he's regressed to his Knicks form, but we're talking about a double or 2.5x increase in assists with four games in double digits this season (zero double digit assists in his entire career as a Knick). So there's still some tweaking/development that can be done.

[Indeed]

On this roster, you have IQ, Gradey, Ja'Kobe and Battle all as potential movement shooters. Ochai and Olynyk could be considered good shooters as well. Then, you also have Scottie, RJ, Brown and Boucher that can at least make threes. Fully healthy, that seems like it should be enough shooting out there to at least be average.

Scottie does a lot so he gets a pass, but the others shooting under 35% isn't helping the team unless you're a C.

Dump, RJ, Davion and Boucher and watch that rank go up.

Scottie definitely needs to improve his 3. There's no pass here. The man is about to get paid and many teams are starting to go 5 out on three point shooters. Not to mention, many in the league at the C position still aren't great 3 point shooters. We may not necessarily get our Turner/Chet/etc. type C.

I don't even mind him jacking up 3's this game, for instance, he just can't be hesitant or lack confidence at times, especially on catch and shoot/open 3's. We got a season to burn, just let it fly.

RJ could technically work out if he took on a more pass-first role. His catch and shoot ability is palatable.

People say he's regressed to his Knicks form, but we're talking about a double or 2.5x increase in assists with four games in double digits this season (zero double digit assists in his entire career as a Knick). So there's still some tweaking/development that can be done.

I would give Barnes a few more games, but Barrett is definitely the better scorer who can actually finish. Barnes can't finish, and perhaps rely more on calls (reminded me of DeRozan). Barrett should get more calls, but I doubt the refs call everything.

Anyway, I don't understand why people are so focus on 3 point shooting. We are a transition team, we aren't a half court team. On half court offense, mainly Barrett gets to the rim with multiple defenders, or Mitchell / Barrett sets up Poeltl (pre-Barnes return, now Poeltl isn't getting touches), while Dick was pretty much got shut down recently with scouting report came out to teams.

[TheRealDeal]

We’re definitely heading in the right direction

[JB7]

From best (before last game):
Agbaji 42%
Battle 38%
Quickley 37%
Dick 34%
Barrett 32%
Boucher 31%
Mogbo 30% (low volume)
Mitchell 29%
Barnes 27%
Poeltl

Average this year for teams, 36%?

Agbaji's performance this year has been very encouraging. Hopefully he can keep that up.
IQ has typically been around 37%, but hopefully that could get closer to 40% with a more expanded role in TO.
Dick should be able to get closer to 40% as he develops, and has more support around him.
RJ was much more efficient last year (39.2% from 3) in a more focused role on offence. Hope that as starters get back, that he reverts to that type of game again.
Walter is the unknown. Can he be a good 3pt shooter in the NBA? If so, that is Barnes surrounded by 5 guys that can shoot in the range of 40% from 3.

[ForeverTFC]

The bigger problem is that we're dead last in 3PA.

IQ is our only off the dribble pull up threat and hasn't played. Our bigger issue though is that we can't create good 3pt shots, especially with IQ out. While Scottie is good at finding cutters and moving the ball to the right place, he can't break down the defense at the point of attack and get them in rotation. And while Barrett is able to break down the defense, the guy mostly has blinders on.

Even the 3s we do get are not the best 3s as a decent chunk of our 3s are later in the shot clock than you would want them to be.

[Indeed]

From best (before last game):
Agbaji 42%
Battle 38%
Quickley 37%
Dick 34%
Barrett 32%
Boucher 31%
Mogbo 30% (low volume)
Mitchell 29%
Barnes 27%
Poeltl

Average this year for teams, 36%?

Agbaji's performance this year has been very encouraging. Hopefully he can keep that up.
IQ has typically been around 37%, but hopefully that could get closer to 40% with a more expanded role in TO.
Dick should be able to get closer to 40% as he develops, and has more support around him.
RJ was much more efficient last year (39.2% from 3) in a more focused role on offence. Hope that as starters get back, that he reverts to that type of game again.
Walter is the unknown. Can he be a good 3pt shooter in the NBA? If so, that is Barnes surrounded by 5 guys that can shoot in the range of 40% from 3.

Dick has got shut down lately (if you watch the games). Teams are chasing him and forcing him to put the ball on the floor, then more than half of the time, his dribble lets him down and resulted in turnover, so I am unsure he would maintain 40%.

Barrett has been creating for himself, taking quick threes, so if he continues in the lead role, it is hard to be 40%, which I understand.

As for Barnes, how certain are people that he needs shooting around him? Is the problem due to shooters? From what I watched the games, it has nothing to do with shooters, either he can't get by his man, or Poeltl's man came over. Unlike Barrett who can finish at rim, Barnes doesn't have the quickness and separation, he is relying on going to the free throw when he gets down hill.

Therefore, I am unsure why people would think having shooters around Barnes is a solution. His problem is defender isn't letting him go down hill, and let him shoot a pull up.

[djsunyc]

3fg% - 33.9 (23rd)
3fga - 32.3 (29th)
3freq% - 35.2 (30th)

last 8 games
3fg% - 35 (19th)
3fga - 32.1 (30th)
3freq% - 35.6 (30th)

slight uptick in 3fg%

last 5 games
3fg% - 40.4 (21st)
3fga - 35.6 (21st)
3freq - 36.0 (15th)

thank you new orleans

[ATLTimekeeper]

The bigger problem is that we're dead last in 3PA.

IQ is our only off the dribble pull up threat and hasn't played. Our bigger issue though is that we can't create good 3pt shots, especially with IQ out. While Scottie is good at finding cutters and moving the ball to the right place, he can't break down the defense at the point of attack and get them in rotation. And while Barrett is able to break down the defense, the guy mostly has blinders on.

Even the 3s we do get are not the best 3s as a decent chunk of our 3s are later in the shot clock than you would want them to be.

I don't think it's a problem because IQ has been out. We're looking at adding the threat of 10 3PAs v Davion/Shead. It changes a lot.

I see Scottie putting up a lot of above the break 3s and this will eventually be good for us once he catches his rhythm and cleans up some of his bad offense 3s. Eventually teams won't want to give him that shot and he'll take off to the rim.

Barrett has been very good passing out of drives. I'm not sure where the 'blinders' comment comes from. 37% of his drives are passes. That's really good for a scoring guard, and closer to what a pure point would put up.

Of the top 15 in drives/g (RJ is 7th overall), he has the 5th highest assist percentage.

[TheGeneral99]

We are also missing our best 3 point shooter in Quickley, a very good 3 point shooter in Brown, and a decent 3 point shooter in Kelly.

But yeah it's been an issue for the last 3 years.

[djsunyc]

From best (before last game):
Agbaji 42%
Battle 38%
Quickley 37%
Dick 34%
Barrett 32%
Boucher 31%
Mogbo 30% (low volume)
Mitchell 29%
Barnes 27%
Poeltl

Average this year for teams, 36%?

Agbaji's performance this year has been very encouraging. Hopefully he can keep that up.
IQ has typically been around 37%, but hopefully that could get closer to 40% with a more expanded role in TO.
Dick should be able to get closer to 40% as he develops, and has more support around him.
RJ was much more efficient last year (39.2% from 3) in a more focused role on offence. Hope that as starters get back, that he reverts to that type of game again.
Walter is the unknown. Can he be a good 3pt shooter in the NBA? If so, that is Barnes surrounded by 5 guys that can shoot in the range of 40% from 3.

Dick has got shut down lately (if you watch the games). Teams are chasing him and forcing him to put the ball on the floor, then more than half of the time, his dribble lets him down and resulted in turnover, so I am unsure he would maintain 40%.

Barrett has been creating for himself, taking quick threes, so if he continues in the lead role, it is hard to be 40%, which I understand.

As for Barnes, how certain are people that he needs shooting around him? Is the problem due to shooters? From what I watched the games, it has nothing to do with shooters, either he can't get by his man, or Poeltl's man came over. Unlike Barrett who can finish at rim, Barnes doesn't have the quickness and separation, he is relying on going to the free throw when he gets down hill.

Therefore, I am unsure why people would think having shooters around Barnes is a solution. His problem is defender isn't letting him go down hill, and let him shoot a pull up.

more shooters means more space for pick and rolls.

[Indeed]

Agbaji's performance this year has been very encouraging. Hopefully he can keep that up.
IQ has typically been around 37%, but hopefully that could get closer to 40% with a more expanded role in TO.
Dick should be able to get closer to 40% as he develops, and has more support around him.
RJ was much more efficient last year (39.2% from 3) in a more focused role on offence. Hope that as starters get back, that he reverts to that type of game again.
Walter is the unknown. Can he be a good 3pt shooter in the NBA? If so, that is Barnes surrounded by 5 guys that can shoot in the range of 40% from 3.

Dick has got shut down lately (if you watch the games). Teams are chasing him and forcing him to put the ball on the floor, then more than half of the time, his dribble lets him down and resulted in turnover, so I am unsure he would maintain 40%.

Barrett has been creating for himself, taking quick threes, so if he continues in the lead role, it is hard to be 40%, which I understand.

As for Barnes, how certain are people that he needs shooting around him? Is the problem due to shooters? From what I watched the games, it has nothing to do with shooters, either he can't get by his man, or Poeltl's man came over. Unlike Barrett who can finish at rim, Barnes doesn't have the quickness and separation, he is relying on going to the free throw when he gets down hill.

Therefore, I am unsure why people would think having shooters around Barnes is a solution. His problem is defender isn't letting him go down hill, and let him shoot a pull up.

more shooters means more space for pick and rolls.

What does it have to do with more space for Pick and Rolls with Barnes? The game that I watched, there is enough space, no?

[pbernardi]

We have to consider that we have facing good defences and many games on road trip. This sureyl affect negatively all the stats.

Our inicial schedule is crazy.

[Dennis 37]

The bigger problem is that we're dead last in 3PA.

IQ is our only off the dribble pull up threat and hasn't played. Our bigger issue though is that we can't create good 3pt shots, especially with IQ out. While Scottie is good at finding cutters and moving the ball to the right place, he can't break down the defense at the point of attack and get them in rotation. And while Barrett is able to break down the defense, the guy mostly has blinders on.

Even the 3s we do get are not the best 3s as a decent chunk of our 3s are later in the shot clock than you would want them to be.

Do I really want to watch game after game where we launch 55 3PA? I get it, it is the more efficient shot, but is it the game we want to watch?