Grading the Ingram Trade

bluerap23 · Post #1 » by **bluerap23** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:11 pm

IN
Brandon Ingram

OUT
Bruce Brown
Kelly O
2026 1st Round Pick belonging to Indiana
2031 2nd Round Pick

HKBOY · Post #2 » by **HKBOY** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:16 pm

I voted B but it is a B+ for me. I will give it an A if BI is resigned under 40mil/year.

tecumseh18 · Post #3 » by **tecumseh18** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:27 pm

HKBOY wrote:I voted B but it is a B+ for me. I will give it an A if BI is resigned under 40mil/year.

Agreed. And if Ingram doesn't play a meaningful game for the rest of this season and doesn't affect our lottery odds, I'd give it an A+.

kwajo · Post #4 » by **kwajo** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:29 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
HKBOY wrote:I voted B but it is a B+ for me. I will give it an A if BI is resigned under 40mil/year.

Agreed. And if Ingram doesn't play a meaningful game for the rest of this season and doesn't affect our lottery odds, I'd give it an A+.

I gave it a B for much the same reasons as you two, I think it has a lot of potential to pan out. It could still be an A, but we won't know the outcome just yet.

Post #5 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:43 pm

Tough, I gave it a B but...

How much is he signed for?
Do we tank the end of the season?

Those two could swing it up to an A or down to a C.

artsncrafts · Post #6 » by **artsncrafts** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:45 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Tough, I gave it a B but...

How much is he signed for?
Do we tank the end of the season?

Those two could swing it up to an A or down to a C.

I voted C because there is no way they sit him the rest of the year and if we dont tank the rest of the season, its insane. But it could go to an A if he doesnt play and signs a reasonable extension, I just think thats less likely.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #7 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:46 pm

B+ (A- depending on what the extension is)

canz55 · Post #8 » by **canz55** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:47 pm

I'm a huge supporter of this FO but I gave it a "C" ultimately.

I'm not upset at the cost but this team became a lot more expensive with players who are huge questionmarks i.e. the health of IQ, BI going forward and the viability of a player like RJ starting.

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Post #9 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:48 pm

artsncrafts wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Tough, I gave it a B but...

How much is he signed for?
Do we tank the end of the season?

Those two could swing it up to an A or down to a C.

I voted C because there is no way they sit him the rest of the year and if we dont tank the rest of the season, its insane. But it could go to an A if he doesnt play and signs a reasonable extension, I just think thats less likely.

I dunno, this was two days ago.

Ingram will miss his 27th straight contest Wednesday while dealing with a sprained left ankle. Considering the star forward has yet to be cleared for contact and remains without a concrete timetable for a return to game action

If he signs an extension, I don't see why there is any rush for him or the team to have him back. And if they do, massive minutes restriction.

Syd-TK3 · Post #10 » by **Syd-TK3** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:50 pm

Really can't grade the trade properly until I know if we still tanking or not. Right now it's a C because we are 100% gonna overpay him.

bluerap23 · Post #11 » by **bluerap23** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:50 pm

This gives BI a 200M Contract (40M AAV)

Post #12 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:54 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:Really can't grade the trade properly until I know if we still tanking or not. Right now it's a C because we are 100% gonna overpay him.

Don't forget he'll get a player option.

Syd-TK3 · Post #13 » by **Syd-TK3** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:00 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:Really can't grade the trade properly until I know if we still tanking or not. Right now it's a C because we are 100% gonna overpay him.

Don't forget he'll get a player option.

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gerrit4 · Post #14 » by **gerrit4** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:07 pm

I give it a B. As a talent acquisition (essentially trading Bruce, Kelly, and probably a late-ish first for a borderline all-star in his prime), it's an A. It's the injury concerns, the contract concern (I really doubt we get a discount), and the fact that this season is already in the toilet that knocks it down to a B.

Dalek · Post #15 » by **Dalek** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:11 pm

On principle I gave it a D. Our GM said we are rebuilding and we went and played rookies most of the year and developed a .5 system which looked good. Then he goes out and trades for a ball dominant guy you have to pay $40m a season for.

It is why I have wanted to fire FO for years. They only know shortsighted moves to plug holes. Back in the Siakam/FVV era they needed a C so they burnt picks to get Poeltl. Then in 2024-25 they have a poor scoring team so they trade for in prime Ingram. You don't trade for a guy like this to figure things out. He is more of a missing piece for contention.

Rather than make smart moves on the margins we take big swings with little in the way of plan. To repeat Bill Simmons: "what is Toronto doing? They are not that good and very expensive."

We going to soon run out of small contracts to do deals and become stuck with a oddly fitting and poorly defending core. We better get Cooper Flagg to save us.

HumbleRen · Post #16 » by **HumbleRen** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:12 pm

B because I don’t know what his contract will look like.

An A if he isn’t overpaid. We gave up nothing of value for an all star caliber player when healthy.

ForeverTFC · Post #17 » by **ForeverTFC** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:12 pm

C.

I was on board with an Ingram trade. I was not on board with trading a lightly protected 1st and keeping all our salary. Barrett should not be on this roster this morning.

I’ve officially lost my trust in this FO. We have an expensive roster built around the most underwhelming franchise player in our history and coached by a kindergarten teacher. I get that this organization has pride in itself and refuses to act like a small market team, but they’re just coming off as stubborn at this point.

mrdressup · Post #18 » by **mrdressup** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:13 pm

A for asset management.
B+ for addressing need for established talent, shooting
C for addressing lack of toughness and size.
More deals will have to come.

bonjovi0308 · Post #19 » by **bonjovi0308** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:14 pm

A if BI signs extension at a reasonable price tag; F if he leaves us for free

bape_lovers · Post #20 » by **bape_lovers** » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:14 pm

Never understood the hate for RJ.

ForeverTFC wrote:C.

I was on board with an Ingram trade. I was not on board with trading a lightly protected 1st and keeping all our salary. Barrett should not be on this roster this morning.

I’ve officially lost my trust in this FO. We have an expensive roster built around the most underwhelming franchise player in our history and coached by a kindergarten teacher. I get that this organization has pride in itself and refuses to act like a small market team, but they’re just coming off as stubborn at this point.