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Arthur: Masai Ujiri on Ingram trade, rebuilding Raptors and getting his championship moment back 

Post#1 » by DG88 » Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:11 pm

For a few years, Masai Ujiri has been on something close to the defensive. The post-championship years nabbed Scottie Barnes, but the franchise still slid into last year’s ditch, and the Raptors have been described as a confusing team, chasing the post-championship years too far. The dedication to a rebuild this season was taken to mean the Raptors had changed.
Then in the year of the methodical, ethical tank, another swerve: trading for 27-year-old Brandon Ingram and signing him to a three-year deal. Again, some were confused.
But in a pre-all-star, on-the-record interview in front of a group of season-ticket holders at OVO Athletic Centre, Ujiri made it clear this is the same organization it has always been. It’s just trying again.

“When we talk about rebuilding, I think there are pieces of teams that come to you at certain points in time, and sometimes those pieces might be part of what a championship team is,” said Ujiri. “You have to look at the gradual vision of what building a team is. I don’t know that this is going to be a championship team next year, but I can tell you that there’s going to be good progress with a young team.

“We want to create two-way players that can really challenge on both sides of the court. Are all these good players going to end up being on a championship team? I would say no. Just because we made a trade now does not mean we cannot make a bigger trade two years from now, or three years from now, or a year from now. It doesn’t stop that at all.”
Ujiri is aware of the doubts. It’s been a bruising couple of years for the Raptors, and there have been internal questions about where they went wrong. When the Star re-examined the franchise, we determined the disconnect came partly because of a faith in processes that had worked before: hitting on late draft picks, teaching players to shoot, being able to move players at the right time. That plus a mix of players that didn’t fit sent them backward.
But the formula hasn’t really changed. Getting two second-round picks in Jonathan Mogbo and Jamal Shead who could become contributors, plus first-rounder Ja’Kobe Walter, even in a terrible draft? Classic Raptors. Going into tank mode when it’s logical? That’s the Tampa Raptors, with better home crowds.

And the Ingram trade was a repeat of the Jakob Poeltl trade, with talent acquisition at a low capital cost: expiring contracts, a 2026 top-four protected first-round pick from Indiana, and a second-rounder. Ingram has never really driven winning, is not a plus defender, does not get to the line or to the rim as often as truly elite scorers, and rarely stays healthy. But he can score and is a player whose ceiling always seems just out of reach. Ujiri says true recruiting via free agency is dead, and this kind of deal is how free agency more or less works now.
So, Ujiri is betting on health and performance guru Alex McKechnie to keep Ingram healthy, on coach Darko Rajakovic to fit Ingram into the offence, and on the team culture to drive Ingram to new heights. Classic Raptors.


But why add a $40-million (U.S.) per year player to a rebuild? Well, Ingram and his injured ankle probably won’t play much this season, so the drive for a top pick remains intact. (“So Brandon Ingram is rehabbing his ankle. For how long, I don’t know,” said Ujiri, dryly.) And critically, in a fast-moving league, the Raptors do not believe rebuilds have to be multi-year affairs, even before the current collective agreement squeezed teams like lemons. Some big players will become available that you might not expect, for less than you’d think. Some already are.

It’s a mistake to see this team as static in a league of churn. What Ujiri made clear is he believes the days of superteams built around older players such as LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Steph Curry, whose massive earned salaries can cramp team-building, are done. But he still believes building a title team requires two to three true difference-makers, special players, plus a supporting cast.

So that’s the key. Asked who is the true core of this team, Ujiri’s answer boiled down to Barnes, due to his talent and what Ujiri calls his winning instincts. Ujiri added centre Jakob Poeltl (if he is playing with “incredible players”) in what was essentially a subcategory, because Poeltl fits with anyone.
“I think our core is built around Scottie,” Ujiri said. “Does (Immanuel) Quickley need to grow? Does Gradey (Dick) need to grow? Does R.J. (Barrett) need to grow? They all need plenty of work to do this, and it’s going to be the same with the high pick that we get this year. That’s why it’s going to take time, and we’ll see where Brandon Ingram fits with this, too.”

If Barnes is one special piece, the Raptors hope their 2025 lottery pick is another. And with the rest of their assets — players with identifiable skills and tradable contracts, young players with promise (Shead, Mogbo, Dick, Walter, Ochai Agbaji) and all but one of their own picks — Ujiri believes they could chase a third. This is still the team that waited for Giannis Antetokounmpo, that wasn’t far from Durant, that wondered about Damian Lillard.

“There’s three ways to build a team, or to get a team to a championship level, correct?” Ujiri said. “It’s through the draft, it’s through free agency and through trades. The way we won the championship was through a trade. And I think we’ve set ourselves up for all three.
“So you have to operate with a plan, and our plan was to rebuild, to grow this team with young players. And then, you know, there are many things that are going to change in the NBA as we go.”
The questions won’t stop, either. Are the Raptors right about Ingram, and for that matter about Barnes? Are they right to believe these pieces fit, and to what degree? What will the draft deliver? Which salary will they move this summer? And then, can they make themselves attractive enough that another core piece will choose Toronto?


It’s the same story as the post-title years but with different players, more assets, a changing league and the same front office. Asked if he ever doubted himself or his staff, Ujiri insisted he was not an overconfident person, and said the team had addressed mistakes and learned; he still shouts out GM Bobby Webster, assistant GM Dan Tolzman, his extensive staff. And with his dear friend Larry Tanenbaum set to exit his minority ownership, likely next year, Ujiri was asked if he ever worried his job could be on the line.
“There’s never a point where I worry about this job,” says Ujiri. “If you do that, then I don’t think you do it that well. I say that because if I don’t have this job, I swear to you guys, I’ll have a better job, and that better job might not even be a job is what I’m saying to you.


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Re: Arthur: Masai Ujiri on Ingram trade, rebuilding Raptors and getting his championship moment back 

Post#2 » by Duffman100 » Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:24 pm

"We've set ourselves up for all 3"

Eh, you haven't for Free agency and it isn't a reality anyways
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Post#3 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:43 pm

Yeah I'm not convinced whatsoever.
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Re: Arthur: Masai Ujiri on Ingram trade, rebuilding Raptors and getting his championship moment back 

Post#4 » by sidsid » Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:57 pm

We've gone through the shifting lip service and post-rationalizations with this FO before so it's hard to take most of what's said at face value. The through line based on actual actions is an FO that's just been trying to get to play-in level as fast as possible and stay there, with no concrete plans.

But I will take this bit as gospel:

Ujiri added centre Jakob Poeltl (if he is playing with “incredible players”) in what was essentially a subcategory, because Poeltl fits with anyone.


When you're trying to stay afloat and chasing floor-raising as a top priority, you make desperate and flawed assessments. This of course is patently untrue with Jak, as the Dennis year with Siakam showed (non-spacing Cs pose a heavy penalty on your offense/team building).

Even mentioning a role player in here explains how we ended up squandering the post-Giannis window to rebuild. You cannot, ever, put a role player in this category.

The confluence of Fred and Jak vs. Wemby draft (and the next two years...) is the hinge point that truly sunk the ceiling of the next era for this team. Two inconsequential role players dictating your future because of that desperate floor goal.
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Re: Arthur: Masai Ujiri on Ingram trade, rebuilding Raptors and getting his championship moment back 

Post#6 » by Basketball_Jones » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:11 pm

Article seemed more negative/pessimistic than usual. I kind of feel Masai is on the way out if the media starts doing that. Honestly, like the Yak trade a lot has to go right for this Ingram move. Key difference though is we still have a top 10 pick, which is slowly degrading as the team is projected to fall out of top 5.
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Post#7 » by Quattro » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:30 pm

Typical. Ignore everything he said and whine about not tanking. More of the same BS you always get here.
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Post#8 » by Kingsway_fan » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:38 pm

Found his comments very positive. I agree with him, that with a good pick, this team, HEALTHY, with Ingram, is playoff bound next year... and has more depth for potential trades.
That assumes players like Scottie, Dick, IQ, etc do improve... and contribute.
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Post#9 » by Godaddycurse » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:44 pm

He is telling people to be patient with his method of team building, which involves organic growth and trades to improve/fix what doesn't fit. He will never do a long multi year tank.
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Post#10 » by AbC? » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:51 pm

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Post#11 » by ConSarnit » Sat Feb 22, 2025 3:59 pm

Duffman100 wrote:"We've set ourselves up for all 3"

Eh, you haven't for Free agency and it isn't a reality anyways


Another issue: in theory we can make a trade for a star. Here’s the problem: there are multiple teams in more desirable markets (or with far more assets) who can beat our offer. HOU and SAS are both teams with a large asset base and have shown to be places players want to play. OKC and UTA may not be as desirable but they have massive asset pools. If a true star actually becomes available what are the odds we can beat those other teams offers? Those teams have been stacking assets for years waiting for a star. We don’t even have a single excess 1st anymore. That doesn’t even touch on the fact that the true superstars usually have some say in where they want to go and it’s usually not Toronto.

There are multiple teams who have been stacking assets for years waiting for a star. We don’t have the ammo if it comes down to a bidding war.
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Post#12 » by C Court » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:01 pm

Masai had a bad few years, but I feel like he’s done well more recently. Winning a championship takes luck as well. Raps need to hit on this draft and need to see growth from Walter, Shead, Grady.
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Post#13 » by Zeno » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:01 pm

I say that because if I don’t have this job, I swear to you guys, I’ll have a better job, and that better job might not even be a job is what I’m saying to you.


This quote is really interesting. I truly believe that Masai will look to be part of an expansion ownership group with Larry leaving. Possibly with Larry and Bell.
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Post#14 » by ConSarnit » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:09 pm

sidsid wrote:We've gone through the shifting lip service and post-rationalizations with this FO before so it's hard to take most of what's said at face value. The through line based on actual actions is an FO that's just been trying to get to play-in level as fast as possible and stay there, with no concrete plans.

But I will take this bit as gospel:

Ujiri added centre Jakob Poeltl (if he is playing with “incredible players”) in what was essentially a subcategory, because Poeltl fits with anyone.


When you're trying to stay afloat and chasing floor-raising as a top priority, you make desperate and flawed assessments. This of course is patently untrue with Jak, as the Dennis year with Siakam showed (non-spacing Cs pose a heavy penalty on your offense/team building).

Even mentioning a role player in here explains how we ended up squandering the post-Giannis window to rebuild. You cannot, ever, put a role player in this category.

The confluence of Fred and Jak vs. Wemby draft (and the next two years...) is the hinge point that truly sunk the ceiling of the next era for this team. Two inconsequential role players dictating your future because of that desperate floor goal.


I don’t want to turn this thread into another Poeltl referendum but I have to take issue with the statement about Poeltl and his fit with “anyone”. He’s a good player and fits a lot of places but his fit here is specifically questionable since our star (Barnes) has made little strides in his shooting. Which teams in modern 3pt game have had high level success with 2 non-shooters at the 4/5? GSW pulled it off while having 2 top 5 shooters of all-time in their backcourt. Who else has seen success with the level of futility in shooting we have at the 4/5? This is not an attack on Poeltl (we knew he provided no spacing when we got him) but a comment about fit as defined in the article.
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Post#15 » by DelAbbot » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:13 pm

The more Masai talks, the more exposed he's getting.
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Post#16 » by DelAbbot » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:16 pm

One of the posters said it best: Ingram trade was an accumulation of talent, not an accumulation of asset.

Ultimately, the trade will be judged by whether the talent fits and how long healthy it stays
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Post#17 » by ConSarnit » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:18 pm

Quattro wrote:Typical. Ignore everything he said and whine about not tanking. More of the same BS you always get here.


This is BS post. Not one post prior to yours mentions tanking. There are valid criticisms here.

For instance: Masai acknowledges that free agency doesn’t really exist anymore. Ok, that’s fine. But how does he reconcile that with the fact that if we are going to go after a star in a trade how are we going to compete with the likes of HOU, SAS or OKC in terms of asset we can offer?

The league has shifted in terms what stars cost in the trade market. Based on our current assets we would be showing up with a knife to a gun fight should such trades present themselves.
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Post#18 » by Scase » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:27 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Article seemed more negative/pessimistic than usual. I kind of feel Masai is on the way out if the media starts doing that. Honestly, like the Yak trade a lot has to go right for this Ingram move. Key difference though is we still have a top 10 pick, which is slowly degrading as the team is projected to fall out of top 5.


“There’s never a point where I worry about this job,” says Ujiri. “If you do that, then I don’t think you do it that well. I say that because if I don’t have this job, I swear to you guys, I’ll have a better job, and that better job might not even be a job is what I’m saying to you.


This is a joke lmao. A lame duck FO is exactly who I want trading picks, acquiring busted players, and "rebuilding" a team. :noway:

Whether or not anyone believes the team is on the right track, wrong track, should be tanking, competing, or anything in between, having a guy who has no issues losing this job and being elsewhere is not who should be rebuilding a team.
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Post#19 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:30 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:"We've set ourselves up for all 3"

Eh, you haven't for Free agency and it isn't a reality anyways


Another issue: in theory we can make a trade for a star. Here’s the problem: there are multiple teams in more desirable markets (or with far more assets) who can beat our offer. HOU and SAS are both teams with a large asset base and have shown to be places players want to play. OKC and UTA may not be as desirable but they have massive asset pools. If a true star actually becomes available what are the odds we can beat those other teams offers? Those teams have been stacking assets for years waiting for a star. We don’t even have a single excess 1st anymore. That doesn’t even touch on the fact that the true superstars usually have some say in where they want to go and it’s usually not Toronto.

There are multiple teams who have been stacking assets for years waiting for a star. We don’t have the ammo if it comes down to a bidding war.


Yeah this is why I say the front office is operating in the past. We’re not in a location like LA, New York or Miami where a player will force their way here so you’ll have to have a lot of draft capital and assets for a star that’s not past their prime.

Hell even Mikal Bridges cost 5 picks and a swap. We haven’t set ourselves up to trade for a star in this new NBA era without significantly hamstringing ourselves in the future.
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Post#20 » by Pointgod » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:40 pm

I know this quote didn’t come from Masai but I found this part funny.

Ingram has never really driven winning, is not a plus defender, does not get to the line or to the rim as often as truly elite scorers, and rarely stays healthy. But he can score and is a player whose ceiling always seems just out of reach


Doesn’t really sell the Ingram trade or make him sound like a player that can be part of a championship core.

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