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Orlando Robinson might be skewing these stats but that's pretty concerning. I would expect them to be good enough to elevate the players around them, they're all consider good playmakers now.

Poeltl makes a big impact on this group. I don't think he's a great center or top 10 in the league, but our alternatives are just so bad. We need to figure out how to fix that position and make it work. The lack of shooting in the front court is a problem that will also need to be address. Barnes isn't going to improve a whole lot on his 3pt shooting, he's been in the league for 4 years now it's just the sad reality of the problem.

Poeltl has probably been our best player this season imo.

And some people want to introduce Ingram into this. There aren't enough shots and role definition is suspect.

Might just be talking out of my ass though.

The lineup long term never made sense. I like RJ but he doesnt really have a role on a championship team in the current NBA, as you need defense and 3 pointers from a SG. He is Demar Derozan-lite. Raps need an OG-type SG. Ochai is fine in the short term. Maybe move RJ to 6th man if you cant move him? I dont think he is overpaid though, lots of worse players in the league make around that much. They can probably package him for a young 3/D.

ForeverTFC wrote:And some people want to introduce Ingram into this. There aren't enough shots and role definition is suspect.

Might just be talking out of my ass though.

High key we need to trade RJ for an off ball shooter that can play defense. A Max Christie type player.

With Ingram we’d have 4 guys in the starting 5 who need the ball to be most effective. Scottie off ball will average like 12-14ppg because he can’t shoot and it’s tough to score interiorly because teams pack the paint against us

150 minutes is nothing. That's what.....less than 5 games for a starter.

Sample sizes.....

Let's see how our starting lineup looks after 1/2 a season before drawing any conclusions.

Not many minutes together. Dick hasn’t been great alongside the trio. IQ was also just getting into form for a lot of the minutes.

J. Poeltl - R. Barrett - I. Quickley - S. Barnes - G. Dick 107 min, -9.2 Netrtg

R. Barrett - I. Quickley - S. Barnes - G. Dick - J. Mogbo 37 min, -38.1 Netrtg

R. Barrett - I. Quickley - S. Barnes - O. Robinson - G. Dick 35 min, -3.1 Netrtg

J. Poeltl - R. Barrett - I. Quickley - S. Barnes - J. Walter 17 min, 15.2 Netrtg

ForeverTFC wrote:And some people want to introduce Ingram into this. There aren't enough shots and role definition is suspect.

Might just be talking out of my ass though.

I think Ingram will be a 20 point scorer for us but you just can’t add Ingram’s 20 to Barrett’s 20, Barnes’ 20 and Quickley’s 17. Some of our players will really need to adjust their games.

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:

ForeverTFC wrote:And some people want to introduce Ingram into this. There aren't enough shots and role definition is suspect.

Might just be talking out of my ass though.

High key we need to trade RJ for an off ball shooter that can play defense. A Max Christie type player.

With Ingram we’d have 4 guys in the starting 5 who need the ball to be most effective. Scottie off ball will average like 12-14ppg because he can’t shoot and it’s tough to score interiorly because teams pack the paint against us

You can trade Barrett, I wouldnt disagee, as long as you got someone to provide rim pressure. Ingram and Quickley do not provide enough, as Barrett shots 2 or even 3 times at rim than them. And there is no value for Barnes to play off ball with below average 3 (he is not Anunoby and will pay more than him).

Indeed wrote:

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:

ForeverTFC wrote:And some people want to introduce Ingram into this. There aren't enough shots and role definition is suspect.

Might just be talking out of my ass though.

High key we need to trade RJ for an off ball shooter that can play defense. A Max Christie type player.

With Ingram we’d have 4 guys in the starting 5 who need the ball to be most effective. Scottie off ball will average like 12-14ppg because he can’t shoot and it’s tough to score interiorly because teams pack the paint against us

You can trade Barrett, I wouldnt disagee, as long as you got someone to provide rim pressure. Ingram and Quickley do not provide enough, as Barrett shots 2 or even 3 times at rim than them. And there is no value for Barnes to play off ball with below average 3 (he is not Anunoby and will pay more than him).

We're playing him with the GLeaguers on purpose. It looks like showcasing so he can be dealt in the off season. Long term the best player to place in the line up would be someone we draft or Walter. RJ and Gradey should be able to get a good young big in the market.

Basketball_Jones wrote:Poeltl has probably been our best player this season imo.

No doubt. He's been stellar at times and very reliable most of the time. The rest come and go as they will.

Thaddy wrote:

Indeed wrote:

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
High key we need to trade RJ for an off ball shooter that can play defense. A Max Christie type player.

With Ingram we’d have 4 guys in the starting 5 who need the ball to be most effective. Scottie off ball will average like 12-14ppg because he can’t shoot and it’s tough to score interiorly because teams pack the paint against us

You can trade Barrett, I wouldnt disagee, as long as you got someone to provide rim pressure. Ingram and Quickley do not provide enough, as Barrett shots 2 or even 3 times at rim than them. And there is no value for Barnes to play off ball with below average 3 (he is not Anunoby and will pay more than him).

We're playing him with the GLeaguers on purpose. It looks like showcasing so he can be dealt in the off season. Long term the best player to place in the line up would be someone we draft or Walter. RJ and Gradey should be able to get a good young big in the market.

Again, I dont disagree we trade Barrett, but I disagree we can just be a jump shooting team with little rim pressure. Shead is the only one with his brust outside of Barrett. Walter and Dick do not provide rim pressure, not even close in creating clean looks.

This team is just criminally undersized if you take out Poeltl. Not one guy over 6' 7" out of the main rotation guys unless you wnat to include Orlando Robinson, who'd ideally be your 3rd center, or Boucher, who is in and out of lineups. There was Olynyk but he's no longer with us and even when he was here, he was out with injury for a long time. That is on Ujiri and Webster.

Poeltl's impact is underrated.....problem is he's more of a floor raiser, not a ceiling raiser.

Any legitimate starting caliber center would be good for this team....we've already established that playing without a real center will only result in disaster.

So we are taking stats based on smalll samples based off games in which BBQ played with G-League center in Robinson, a SF playing C in Mogbo, and some combo of Dick/Walter at the 2?

Not to mention, this also includes minutes in which we had Barrett at the 4 and Barnes at the 5 ,

Trying to draw ANY conclusions to this is just foolish.

ForeverTFC wrote:And some people want to introduce Ingram into this. There aren't enough shots and role definition is suspect.

Might just be talking out of my ass though.

There are plenty of shots. Barnes at this point doesn't deserve any significant volume. Poeltl is low volume. RJ is more of an opportunistic guy.

Ingram and IQ are gonna run the show next year with RJ/Barnes as 3a/3b.

Small sample size, but certainly matches the eye test. It's not hard to imagine that a 3 man core with 2 players who are bad on defence, and 1 who is bad on offence, wouldn't be very good.

Barnes is a lost cause on offense. These Wizard games show he sucks against size. It's his 4th season and he's a bad shooter. He hasn't developed at all since his rookie year. It's pretty scary to think he's considered the guy.

I've had great BBQs without Poeltl. Your seasoning needs work

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