Dick vs Ochai vs Ja’Kobe

[bobbyp3588]

This should probably be a poll but I don’t know how to make one.

Anyway, we have a plethora of decent young wings. Too many, in fact, to properly use and develop them all.

Seems to me, that Walter, Dick and Agbaji are all vying for the backup 2/3 spots moving forward. Unless we move off of Shead and instill Ja’Kobe as the backup PG, which I wouldn’t hate. I don’t see that happening though.

More likely than not, at least one of these guys should be dealt for roster balance. Of the 3, who would you move? Why?

Ja’Kobe impresses me the most. I see star potential here. I like his motor, Inlole his instincts. I just really like his game so he’s a keeper.

Ochai isn’t going to be a star but he fills a role and has really been filling it well. He knows who is now and I think he’s a valuable player to have around.

I also really like Gradey. He seems like a super kid and he might become a real sharp shooter. His defence just doesn’t cut it (not for lack of effort) so he’d be my choice to see what we can get for him.

Great problem to have at the end of the day.

[gp2015]

We don't need to move them right now. Just keep them and see who stands out between them all (Shead, Jakobe, Dick, Ochai). We won't be paying them very much. They're not likely going to fetch that much right now in a trade anyways.

I'm thinking the most likely player to be moved in the future is RJ, unless he's willing to take a huge pay cut.

[Kingsway_fan]

We don't need to move them right now. Just keep them and see who stands out between them all (Shead, Jakobe, Dick, Ochai). We won't be paying them very much. They're not likely going to fetch that much right now in a trade anyways.

I'm thinking the most likely player to be moved in the future is RJ, unless he's willing to take a huge pay cut.

Why should he take a pay cut? When we have had a long history of overpay?

[Prestige]

Develop them all, and consolidate in a trade for a star in the future. I would guess this is what the FO is intending by collecting all these young players.

[gp2015]

We don't need to move them right now. Just keep them and see who stands out between them all (Shead, Jakobe, Dick, Ochai). We won't be paying them very much. They're not likely going to fetch that much right now in a trade anyways.

I'm thinking the most likely player to be moved in the future is RJ, unless he's willing to take a huge pay cut.

Why should he take a pay cut? When we have had a long history of overpay?

I don't necessarily see him starting in the long term when BI is back. If that's the case, he's getting paid too much for a bench player.

Of course, he is good enough to be a starter on some teams. This is only the case if he wants to stay here.

It's also possible the management sees him as part of the main core but personally, I don't see that happening.

[YogurtProducer]

We don't need to move them right now. Just keep them and see who stands out between them all (Shead, Jakobe, Dick, Ochai). We won't be paying them very much. They're not likely going to fetch that much right now in a trade anyways.

I'm thinking the most likely player to be moved in the future is RJ, unless he's willing to take a huge pay cut.

Why should he take a pay cut? When we have had a long history of overpay?

This is the weirdest narrative on this board when we have had next to no bad contracts over Masais term.

[PhilBlackson]

I would trade Gradey for either an upgrade to our back up forward or center position/for a mid lotto-ish 25’ pick (to draft that). He gets hunted too much defensively and has basically been another streaky shooter like TRoss without the defence. I’d trade him while he still has a high perceived value.

[Raptors Realtor]

We don't need to move them right now. Just keep them and see who stands out between them all (Shead, Jakobe, Dick, Ochai). We won't be paying them very much. They're not likely going to fetch that much right now in a trade anyways.

I'm thinking the most likely player to be moved in the future is RJ, unless he's willing to take a huge pay cut.

Why should he take a pay cut? When we have had a long history of overpay?

I don't necessarily see him starting in the long term when BI is back. If that's the case, he's getting paid too much for a bench player.

Of course, he is good enough to be a starter on some teams. This is only the case if he wants to stay here.

It's also possible the management sees him as part of the main core but personally, I don't see that happening.

RJ is better as a SG than SF because he can bully his way to the basket, if he can work on and improve his 3pt shooting, he's definitely an asset. I don't think there's any reason to deal RJ unless it's to consolidate for an upgrade in the lineup. Don't think Dick or Jakobe should start over him yet.

IQ/Shead
Barrett/Dick/Jakobe
Ingram/Agbaji/Battle
Scottie/Mogbo
Poeltl/Orlando

'25 1st rounder
Boucher
Lawson
Rhoden
Castleton
Chomche (will need another season to recover/develop in the G)

[Tha Cynic]

We probably need to see how that starting lineup does defensively before making any big decisions. If the defense struggles RJ is probably who you want to replace with a 3 and D guy. We will also get extended looks with Walter, Dick and Ochai due to injuries. Our team is a bit small right now.

Shead is also someone who is knocking in the door for more playing time, and we have a high first round pick that we haven’t drafted yet. Where we currently sit you hope we end up with a player who will make others expendable (top 5 pick) or a Malauch (6-10) who we desperately need as a backup 5.

Dick is the most intriguing as a shot maker if he ever becomes elite at it, but also the weakest due to his defense. He has to really become elite to make up for it. Next season will be huge for him to show how accurate he can be. I personally like Walter.

[djsunyc]

Develop them all, and consolidate in a trade for a star in the future. I would guess this is what the FO is intending by collecting all these young players.

team is expecting to challenge for playoffs next year.

you currently have RJ and BI at the 2/3. looks like one of ochai/gradey/jakobe won't get legit time next season. and that doesn't even count our 1st and/or 2nd round pick who could also be a sg/sf.

they are all different players. ochai seems to have settled into a nice role - which makes sense because he's older than the other two. gradey + jakobe are still figuring out where they fit and how they should play. i don't see how we can develop all 3 next year when there are expectations to win.

my guess is masai makes a consolidation move to upgrade frontcourt depth by moving one of them. i doubt a big player trade is on the docket for us this summer simply due to cap implications.

also, RJ still has two guaranteed years left after this season at a decent price so no rush to move him.

[MEDIC]

Develop them all, and consolidate in a trade for a star in the future. I would guess this is what the FO is intending by collecting all these young players.

team is expecting to challenge for playoffs next year.

you currently have RJ and BI at the 2/3. looks like one of ochai/gradey/jakobe won't get legit time next season. and that doesn't even count our 1st and/or 2nd round pick who could also be a sg/sf.

they are all different players. ochai seems to have settled into a nice role - which makes sense because he's older than the other two. gradey + jakobe are still figuring out where they fit and how they should play. i don't see how we can develop all 3 next year when there are expectations to win.

my guess is masai makes a consolidation move to upgrade frontcourt depth by moving one of them. i doubt a big player trade is on the docket for us this summer simply due to cap implications.

also, RJ still has two guaranteed years left after this season at a decent price so no rush to move him.

Yeah. That's the way I see it.

Personally.......I look for.ways to improve the team moving forward. Right now we have a log jam at SG. We can't play all of these guys.

I am a defense first kind of guy, so.......I like Walter & Ochai

[billy_hoyle]

Develop them all, and consolidate in a trade for a star in the future. I would guess this is what the FO is intending by collecting all these young players.

team is expecting to challenge for playoffs next year.

you currently have RJ and BI at the 2/3. looks like one of ochai/gradey/jakobe won't get legit time next season. and that doesn't even count our 1st and/or 2nd round pick who could also be a sg/sf.

they are all different players. ochai seems to have settled into a nice role - which makes sense because he's older than the other two. gradey + jakobe are still figuring out where they fit and how they should play. i don't see how we can develop all 3 next year when there are expectations to win.

my guess is masai makes a consolidation move to upgrade frontcourt depth by moving one of them. i doubt a big player trade is on the docket for us this summer simply due to cap implications.

also, RJ still has two guaranteed years left after this season at a decent price so no rush to move him.

Yeah. That's the way I see it.

Personally.......I look for.ways to improve the team moving forward. Right now we have a log jam at SG. We can't play all of these guys.

I am a defense first kind of guy, so.......I like Walter & Ochai

What's the depth chart here?

IQ, Shead/Walter
RJ, Ochai/Walter/Dick, Lawson
BI, Ochai/Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Maluach/Newell/Queen (1st rounder), Ivisic (2nd rounder)

That's 15.

BI can play the 4. Allows Dick/Ochai/Walter to slip in.

BI will also be injured for 1/4 of the year.

I think having this depth is a good thing.

I expect us to draft two bigs this year.

You should hang on to all three, and let them cannibalize/suppress each other's value. Resign for cheaper that way.

[MEDIC]

team is expecting to challenge for playoffs next year.

you currently have RJ and BI at the 2/3. looks like one of ochai/gradey/jakobe won't get legit time next season. and that doesn't even count our 1st and/or 2nd round pick who could also be a sg/sf.

they are all different players. ochai seems to have settled into a nice role - which makes sense because he's older than the other two. gradey + jakobe are still figuring out where they fit and how they should play. i don't see how we can develop all 3 next year when there are expectations to win.

my guess is masai makes a consolidation move to upgrade frontcourt depth by moving one of them. i doubt a big player trade is on the docket for us this summer simply due to cap implications.

also, RJ still has two guaranteed years left after this season at a decent price so no rush to move him.

Yeah. That's the way I see it.

Personally.......I look for.ways to improve the team moving forward. Right now we have a log jam at SG. We can't play all of these guys.

I am a defense first kind of guy, so.......I like Walter & Ochai

What's the depth chart here?

IQ, Shead/Walter
RJ, Ochai/Walter/Dick, Lawson
BI, Ochai/Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Maluach/Newell/Queen (1st rounder), Ivisic (2nd rounder)

That's 15.

BI can play the 4. Allows Dick/Ochai/Walter to slip in.

BI will also be injured for 1/4 of the year.

I think having this depth is a good thing.

I expect us to draft two bigs this year.

You should hang on to all three, and let them cannibalize/suppress each other's value. Resign for cheaper that way.

It's not a bad way to go (for 1 season).

I agree with you about taking 2 bigs (unless there is a pick who has star potential).

Either this summer or next, the Raps will be looking for ways to upgrade the team. There is a short window with the BI contract.

I also have concerns about Gradeys value as a prospect tanking next season. If I could get a 1st for him this summer.......I would be enticed to pull the trigger.

[Dexjackson]

Yeah. That's the way I see it.

Personally.......I look for.ways to improve the team moving forward. Right now we have a log jam at SG. We can't play all of these guys.

I am a defense first kind of guy, so.......I like Walter & Ochai

What's the depth chart here?

IQ, Shead/Walter
RJ, Ochai/Walter/Dick, Lawson
BI, Ochai/Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Maluach/Newell/Queen (1st rounder), Ivisic (2nd rounder)

That's 15.

BI can play the 4. Allows Dick/Ochai/Walter to slip in.

BI will also be injured for 1/4 of the year.

I think having this depth is a good thing.

I expect us to draft two bigs this year.

You should hang on to all three, and let them cannibalize/suppress each other's value. Resign for cheaper that way.

It's not a bad way to go (for 1 season).

I agree with you about taking 2 bigs (unless there is a pick who has star potential).

Either this summer or next, the Raps will be looking for ways to upgrade the team. There is a short window with the BI contract.

I also have concerns about Gradeys value as a prospect tanking next season. If I could get a 1st for him this summer.......I would be enticed to pull the trigger.

I think the roster will need some balencing one way or another. 3 options I would like:

1) you pull the trigger of a 1st for Gradey or Ocai (especially if we can get someone to give up 15-20 range... don't know that that would be reasonable). I'd rather deal Gradey because of his terrible defense.

2) you consolidate some depth for a better player

3) trade from a position of strength (2/3) to a position of need (centre)

[ConSarnit]

Develop them all, and consolidate in a trade for a star in the future. I would guess this is what the FO is intending by collecting all these young players.

team is expecting to challenge for playoffs next year.

you currently have RJ and BI at the 2/3. looks like one of ochai/gradey/jakobe won't get legit time next season. and that doesn't even count our 1st and/or 2nd round pick who could also be a sg/sf.

they are all different players. ochai seems to have settled into a nice role - which makes sense because he's older than the other two. gradey + jakobe are still figuring out where they fit and how they should play. i don't see how we can develop all 3 next year when there are expectations to win.

my guess is masai makes a consolidation move to upgrade frontcourt depth by moving one of them. i doubt a big player trade is on the docket for us this summer simply due to cap implications.

also, RJ still has two guaranteed years left after this season at a decent price so no rush to move him.

Yeah. That's the way I see it.

Personally.......I look for.ways to improve the team moving forward. Right now we have a log jam at SG. We can't play all of these guys.

I am a defense first kind of guy, so.......I like Walter & Ochai

Feels like something is going to have to give, especially if we move up in the draft. All of the top guys are probably going to move our sg’s down the pecking order. Flagg could play the 3. Harper, VJ, Ace or Tre Johnson would likely supercede Dick/Walter/Agbaji in the lineup. If we don’t take a big in the draft we almost have to move one of the guards. There won’t be enough minutes and we need to do something to shore up front court depth.

Gun to my head I feel like Agbaji is most expendable. He probably has the lowest upside and should have the most suitors around the league (as he’s the only one who can slot in on a playoff team right now). Trading any of GD/JKW/OA comes with risk.

It feels like the best “reset/roster balance” move would be moving RJ. That would give us salary flexibility and ideally we could move him for a legit backup big (something we desperately need if we want to compete next year). Move Agbaji to the starting lineup as a 3+D wing and hope that Walter could provide some bench scoring/creation.

[Indeed]

We probably need to see how that starting lineup does defensively before making any big decisions. If the defense struggles RJ is probably who you want to replace with a 3 and D guy. We will also get extended looks with Walter, Dick and Ochai due to injuries. Our team is a bit small right now.

Shead is also someone who is knocking in the door for more playing time, and we have a high first round pick that we haven’t drafted yet. Where we currently sit you hope we end up with a player who will make others expendable (top 5 pick) or a Malauch (6-10) who we desperately need as a backup 5.

Dick is the most intriguing as a shot maker if he ever becomes elite at it, but also the weakest due to his defense. He has to really become elite to make up for it. Next season will be huge for him to show how accurate he can be. I personally like Walter.

What happen if our offense struggles?
Any team being limited to pull up or contested shot isn't going to win games consistently.

[Indeed]

team is expecting to challenge for playoffs next year.

you currently have RJ and BI at the 2/3. looks like one of ochai/gradey/jakobe won't get legit time next season. and that doesn't even count our 1st and/or 2nd round pick who could also be a sg/sf.

they are all different players. ochai seems to have settled into a nice role - which makes sense because he's older than the other two. gradey + jakobe are still figuring out where they fit and how they should play. i don't see how we can develop all 3 next year when there are expectations to win.

my guess is masai makes a consolidation move to upgrade frontcourt depth by moving one of them. i doubt a big player trade is on the docket for us this summer simply due to cap implications.

also, RJ still has two guaranteed years left after this season at a decent price so no rush to move him.

Yeah. That's the way I see it.

Personally.......I look for.ways to improve the team moving forward. Right now we have a log jam at SG. We can't play all of these guys.

I am a defense first kind of guy, so.......I like Walter & Ochai

What's the depth chart here?

IQ, Shead/Walter
RJ, Ochai/Walter/Dick, Lawson
BI, Ochai/Dick, Battle
Barnes, Mogbo, Chomche
Poeltl, Maluach/Newell/Queen (1st rounder), Ivisic (2nd rounder)

That's 15.

BI can play the 4. Allows Dick/Ochai/Walter to slip in.

BI will also be injured for 1/4 of the year.

I think having this depth is a good thing.

I expect us to draft two bigs this year.

You should hang on to all three, and let them cannibalize/suppress each other's value. Resign for cheaper that way.

I think the proper depth chart:
PG: Quickley (more a SG than PG as well) / Shead
SG: Barrett (I think he can play combo guard) / Agbaji / Walter
SF: Ingram / Dick (does not seem to have the handle to play guard)
PF: Barnes / Mogbo
C: Poeltl / Chomche (not quick enough to play PF, and not ready to even play backup minutes)

Walter is not a PG, his ball handling is not enough to cross the half court as we saw he got his pocket picked multiple times.

I expect us to draft big Forward, since Mogbo at forward is not a sure thing next year (Achiuwa also flashed the 3s, and ended up not consistent).

Agbaji and Walter are kind of redundant, I am unsure we want to pay Agbaji at 6m. Would not surprised we trade him before the season if there is a good return. That would allow us to be under the tax.

I don't want to put Chomche in the depth chart, because he is not even ready to be there.

Your 1st round pick should be BPA, not by position.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'm very high on Ochai and have been since last season.

He doesn't have a single weakness, which is crazy because last year he couldn't do the most basic things like finishing layups, hitting open 3s, etc.

This year his shot chart is beautiful. He's shooting well from everywhere! He's been our most consistent player and hasn't really had a single bad month.

[Thaddy]

Agbaji can still be unlocked. Playing him with the GLeaguers is a great move it forced him to score and be a creator.

Agbaji has a lethal mid ranger that he rarely uses. If he can develop a handle it'll improve his drive game and make him mid range game explode.

Two way role players lead to winning. Gradey isn't it. He should be getting Powell like minutes instead of being a defacto starter.

If we keep Dick and play the others before him it'll kill his fragile confidence. I would probably trade him this off season while he has the potential tag. We really need big man talent.

[johanliebert]

I'm very high on Ochai and have been since last season.

He doesn't have a single weakness, which is crazy because last year he couldn't do the most basic things like finishing layups, hitting open 3s, etc.

This year his shot chart is beautiful. He's shooting well from everywhere! He's been our most consistent player and hasn't really had a single bad month.

If you think Ochai has no weakness then you need to question the numbers that led to that conclusion