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- We know the connection with Masai.

- Giannis has made comments about playing with Scottie and Raptors hypothetically have pieces to still have a win-now team around him.

- I doubt he would say "only Toronto" but what if they are amongst a finalist of teams he would welcome a trade?

a) wanting to go to competent franchise
b) with some win now talent --- how would we stack up then?

Does an RJ, Dick, Shead all the picks package not even get the conversation started?

- An established up and coming player (RJ)
- Promising young player top 10 pick (Dick)
- Interesting PG prospect (Shead)
- Another top 10 pick deep draft(9th overall - 2025)
- All remaining picks possible to trade

Is it a complete pipe dream even in that scenario?

PG- Quickley
SG - Ingram
SF- Barnes
PF- Giannis
C- Poeltl

Walter, Obaji, Mogbo, Battle, Boucher, Lawson, 2nd round big?

Is that a championship favorite after OKC?

Then you go all in. And get a deal done. No excuses.

Doubt the Bucks take that deal and don't think Masai would give everything for Giannis either

People, get it together. There is no trade for Giannis without Scottie going the other way, unless Masai has some dirt on Horst, or he's on the take like Nico was or something.

Stop thinking we can come out after that trade with our best player/asset, it's just insanity.

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Scase wrote:People, get it together. There is no trade for Giannis without Scottie going the other way, unless Masai has some dirt on Horst, or he's on the take like Nico was or something.

Stop thinking we can come out after that trade with our best player/asset, it's just insanity.

It just gets annoying how people put together fantasy trades on this board with no level of thought. You CANNOT get Giannis without sending Barnes the other way. The whole point of the deal for Milwaukee would be to get a high level young talent back. Otherwise they'd just trade with someone who is offering that (Green from Houston even though I don't rate him, etc.)

no that is not a championship favorite lol.

Scottie and Giannis are a terrible fit together. Even if the Bucks were willing, acquiring Giannis at his age just to pair with Scottie would be a waste of everyone's time

junot111 wrote:no that is not a championship favorite lol.

Scottie and Giannis are a terrible fit together. Even if the Bucks were willing, acquiring Giannis at his age just to pair with Scottie would be a waste of everyone's time

Yep. You move Scottie for Giannis and then look at subsequent deals to build a contender around Giannis. They are a horrible pairing since Scottie is literally a poor man's version of what Giannis is.

In the same way that the Kawai trade only worked because DeRozan was the bait, Barnes is our only bait to get the Bucks to accept anything else we offer.

No Scottie no deal. Which is not a problem anyways because He's a Dollar Store version of Giannis anyways. Not sure why you guys keep on insisting on pairing the 2 together?

Senbonzakura wrote:

Scase wrote:People, get it together. There is no trade for Giannis without Scottie going the other way, unless Masai has some dirt on Horst, or he's on the take like Nico was or something.

Stop thinking we can come out after that trade with our best player/asset, it's just insanity.

It just gets annoying how people put together fantasy trades on this board with no level of thought. You CANNOT get Giannis without sending Barnes the other way. The whole point of the deal for Milwaukee would be to get a high level young talent back. Otherwise they'd just trade with someone who is offering that (Green from Houston even though I don't rate him, etc.)

derozan for kawhi? never in a million years!

Scase wrote:People, get it together. There is no trade for Giannis without Scottie going the other way, unless Masai has some dirt on Horst, or he's on the take like Nico was or something.

Stop thinking we can come out after that trade with our best player/asset, it's just insanity.

Too many player fans nowadays that don't know how NBA trades work. They seriously need to get banned from posting their opinion on the Raptors.

We dont win the chip without Gasol

Masai will make win now moves if Giannis is here

djsunyc wrote:

Senbonzakura wrote:

Scase wrote:People, get it together. There is no trade for Giannis without Scottie going the other way, unless Masai has some dirt on Horst, or he's on the take like Nico was or something.

Stop thinking we can come out after that trade with our best player/asset, it's just insanity.

It just gets annoying how people put together fantasy trades on this board with no level of thought. You CANNOT get Giannis without sending Barnes the other way. The whole point of the deal for Milwaukee would be to get a high level young talent back. Otherwise they'd just trade with someone who is offering that (Green from Houston even though I don't rate him, etc.)

derozan for kawhi? never in a million years!

Yeah it's basically the same, if you ignore him being a typically healthy player in his prime, with 2 years + PO left on his contract, and not embroiled in a battle with his former team refusing to play. But who needs pesky details?

lol it would be so funny to get Giannis and keep Scottie somehow just to see all these people eat crow.

If Giannis says “Toronto. Only Toronto. And I want to play with Scottie”, that would get very very interesting.

The whole hypothetical here is unlikely, but if MIL agrees to do right by Giannis and Giannis asks for a certain place we really can’t say what the trade package will end up looking like.

You don't need Barnes if you have Giannis. So yes, I trade Barnes if Giannis is on the table. Period. The real question is what ELSE it will take to get him.

YogurtProducer wrote:lol it would be so funny to get Giannis and keep Scottie somehow just to see all these people eat crow.

If Giannis says “Toronto. Only Toronto. And I want to play with Scottie”, that would get very very interesting.

The whole hypothetical here is unlikely, but if MIL agrees to do right by Giannis and Giannis asks for a certain place we really can’t say what the trade package will end up looking like.

What the **** is so special about Scottie that Giannis would insist on wanting to play with him?

He knows Barnes is a dollar store version of him. You think he wants another player packing up his space?

Some of you posters just post for the sake of posting, no insight whatsoever. Just puking your unneccessary opinions on the web.

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Giannis even if he says Toronto and only Toronto (Not happening)....Giannis is under contract and is not a free agent....Bucks do NOT need to accept a low ball offer for their only superstar top 5 player they will prolly ever have for a long time if ever again.....They are going to get the best package/players they can out of Giannis because they do NOT control their own picks....Which means if they do not get a haul for Giannis their franchise would be in the dumps with nothing to show for...

Think of it in Bucks perspective before typing weird trade scenarios out....We prolly have to give up RJ + Barnes + Dick or Walter + Treasure chest of draft picks....We are not going to be able to low ball them cause we do not hold the leverage in the situation because Giannis is NOT a free agent and Bucks don't have to trade him here if we low ball them....Its not like a Siakam Situation where we either trade him to the Pacers for something or hes going to the Pacers in free agency for nothing...

Giannis wants to win. In order to get him, we would have to give up too much. He would have the sam situation in Toronto as he has now in Milwaukee.

Clutch0z24 wrote:Giannis even if he says Toronto and only Toronto (Not happening)....Giannis is under contract and is not a free agent....Bucks do NOT need to accept a low ball offer for their only superstar top 5 player they will prolly ever have for a long time if ever again.....They are going to get the best package/players they can out of Giannis because they do NOT control their own picks....Which means if they do not get a haul for Giannis their franchise would be in the dumps with nothing to show for...

Think of it in Bucks perspective before typing weird trade scenarios out....We prolly have to give up RJ + Barnes + Dick or Walter + Treasure chest of draft picks....We are not going to be able to low ball them cause we do not hold the leverage in the situation because Giannis is NOT a free agent and Bucks don't have to trade him here if we low ball them....Its not like a Siakam Situation where we either trade him to the Pacers for something or hes going to the Pacers in free agency for nothing...

There's another dynamic that pulls in the opposite direction.

Giannis has a lot more control than you are presenting here. If giannis doesn't give his blessing to be traded to a team....then he's a 2 year rental. Noone wants to give up the kind of package it will take for a 2 year rental.

So the big package you are talking about won't exist from a team unless Giannis shows indication that he wants to be there and will extend his contract next summer.

Suppose giannis specifically says "I don't want to go to okc". Do you think they would trade chet, IH and 5 first rounders for a 2 year rental?

So it's NOT just about the Bucks taking the biggest package because Noone will OFFER a big package unless Giannis indicates he will play there for multiple years (and will sign an extension next summer).

This is what ppl didn't understand about the doncic trade. Everyone said "why don't they shop him around?"

They couldnt have. Because Doncic would have immediately said "if you trade for me...I won't extend with you". His motivation for doing this would be simple: he lost 100 million dollars by being traded. So his agent would naturally tell every team "IF YOU TRADE FOR LUKA YOU WILL ONLY GET HIM FOR 1.5 YEARS". Which of course would drastically lower his trade value....defeating the whole point of "shopping him around".

The only way to trade luka without only getting rental-level offers was to do the trade in total secrecy. That way....Luka's agent didn't have a chance to tell everyone he wouldn't extend with them.

If they had shopped him around....they wouldnt have even got something equal to the Lakers package. Luka would've sabotaged his value in order to keep the extra 100 million bucks.