Sam Vecenie: Raptors Off-Season Preview (Video)

WuTang_OG · Post #1 » by **WuTang_OG** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:13 pm

S.W.A.N · Post #2 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:16 pm

Just finished watching it. Pretty fair assessment of the team.

Spoiler: We the ugly chick/dude who could be hot, but what is it that they need? I did feel validated when they talked about Queen's defense.

OakleyDokely · Post #3 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:25 pm

I respect Vecenie because he gives as much attention to the Hornets as he does the Lakers.

MiamiSPX · Post #4 » by **MiamiSPX** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:52 pm

Hard disagree that the Bucks might just take the highest bid, even if it's a team Giannis didn't provide. He is the only person that has suggested that and it will not happen. Even Bucks fans and reporters all agree that IF he asks out, he is absolutely going to a team of his choosing,

WuTang_OG · Post #5 » by **WuTang_OG** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:23 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:Hard disagree that the Bucks might just take the highest bid, even if it's a team Giannis didn't provide. He is the only person that has suggested that and it will not happen. Even Bucks fans and reporters all agree that IF he asks out, he is absolutely going to a team of his choosing,

Problem is if they do that, they may lose some credibility since giannis was loyal to them (which is fine if they dont care)

and if it's a team that's not on his list, are the offers the same vs a team that is? knowing that its 2 years and then he's gone

some teams may be willing to take that risk ... but will the package be less ?

mtcan · Post #6 » by **mtcan** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:29 pm

They keep referring to the Siakam trade as just Pascal for BI which is terrible...but it is actually Pascal for BI, Jakobe and Ochai...and that really isn't a disaster.

They just keep talking about how they don't know how this roster fits and I get that but let's not make sweeping conclusions before more moves are made...or seeing how this roster looks after a summer of development and injury management.

Tor_Raps · Post #7 » by **Tor_Raps** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:00 pm

mtcan wrote:They keep referring to the Siakam trade as just Pascal for BI which is terrible...but it is actually Pascal for BI, Jakobe and Ochai...and that really isn't a disaster.

They just keep talking about how they don't know how this roster fits and I get that but let's not make sweeping conclusions before more moves are made...or seeing how this roster looks after a summer of development and injury management.

The thing with Masai is that he's almost a genius when it comes to draft/evaluating young talent. The Siakam trade was ass but his ability to make the right picks helps offset that.

He could trade Ochai for the 59th pick in this draft and pick a stud in that draft slot. It wouldnt change the facf the original trade would be horrible value.

Its why people hated when he kept trading picks away to remain mediocre while not obtaining picks/young talent earlier from the Fred/OG/Siakam/Lowry/Trent core.

Kurtz · Post #8 » by **Kurtz** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:06 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
mtcan wrote:They keep referring to the Siakam trade as just Pascal for BI which is terrible...but it is actually Pascal for BI, Jakobe and Ochai...and that really isn't a disaster.

They just keep talking about how they don't know how this roster fits and I get that but let's not make sweeping conclusions before more moves are made...or seeing how this roster looks after a summer of development and injury management.

The thing with Masai is that he's almost a genius when it comes to draft/evaluating young talent. The Siakam trade was ass but his ability to make the right picks helps offset that.

He could trade Ochai for the 59th pick in this draft and pick a stud in that draft slot. It wouldnt change the facf the original trade would be horrible value.

Its why people hated when he kept trading picks away to remain mediocre while not obtaining picks/young talent earlier from the Fred/OG/Siakam/Lowry/Trent core.

If we ignore Masai's drafting/subsequent trades and just stick to the basics of the respective deals, then we can summarize it as: Raptors received 3 1st rounders for Siakam, and subsequently traded one of these first rounders for BI.

So to state that the deal was Siakam for BI is indeed incorrect. We only traded about 1/3 of the value we got back for Siakam for BI.

PhilBlackson · Post #9 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:07 pm

Anyone be kind enough to give a basic summary?!?

Tor_Raps · Post #10 » by **Tor_Raps** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:10 pm

Kurtz wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
mtcan wrote:They keep referring to the Siakam trade as just Pascal for BI which is terrible...but it is actually Pascal for BI, Jakobe and Ochai...and that really isn't a disaster.

They just keep talking about how they don't know how this roster fits and I get that but let's not make sweeping conclusions before more moves are made...or seeing how this roster looks after a summer of development and injury management.

The thing with Masai is that he's almost a genius when it comes to draft/evaluating young talent. The Siakam trade was ass but his ability to make the right picks helps offset that.

He could trade Ochai for the 59th pick in this draft and pick a stud in that draft slot. It wouldnt change the facf the original trade would be horrible value.

Its why people hated when he kept trading picks away to remain mediocre while not obtaining picks/young talent earlier from the Fred/OG/Siakam/Lowry/Trent core.

If we ignore Masai's drafting/subsequent trades and just stick to the basics of the respective deals, then we can summarize it as: Raptors received 3 1st rounders for Siakam, and subsequently traded one of these first rounders for BI.

So to state that the deal was Siakam for BI is indeed incorrect. We only traded about 1/3 of the value we got back for Siakam for BI.

And it'll be on Ingram to play great to make your comment correct, which is what I think will happen next season.

However, he can also get hurt early next year and we go on our way to being horrible once again.

deck · Post #11 » by **deck** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:13 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Anyone be kind enough to give a basic summary?!?

They like our players, but question the fit of the roster.

Raps in 4 · Post #12 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:17 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:Hard disagree that the Bucks might just take the highest bid, even if it's a team Giannis didn't provide. He is the only person that has suggested that and it will not happen. Even Bucks fans and reporters all agree that IF he asks out, he is absolutely going to a team of his choosing,

Giannis doesn't strike me as the type who's going to be unreasonable in his trade demands. It also helps that the teams who can make the best offers are also contenders/will be contenders with Giannis.

SharoneWright · Post #13 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:18 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Anyone be kind enough to give a basic summary?!?

I've listened to 30 seconds.

"Talented team with a lot of individual pieces"......

That's really all there is to know.

S.W.A.N · Post #14 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:23 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Anyone be kind enough to give a basic summary?!?

They like the pieces on the roster. Don't see how they fit and not sure what the master plan is.

Basically they are like the rest of us. Wait and see.

Like Khaman over Queen for us because of Defense (with the focus being how to maximize Scotties talents)
Thought drafting the new Yak could be interesting. They like CMB.

Sam is a Shead Head, but thinks another guard would be a good idea, as would a backup big... So they said the sky is blue. But in a positive way.

They talked about Durant and how it could be interesting but creates a very small window, they were a little cool on that idea. They were interested in the Giannis trade but didn't think we have the best trade options for the Bucks versus some of the other teams.

S.W.A.N · Post #15 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:24 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:Hard disagree that the Bucks might just take the highest bid, even if it's a team Giannis didn't provide. He is the only person that has suggested that and it will not happen. Even Bucks fans and reporters all agree that IF he asks out, he is absolutely going to a team of his choosing,

Giannis doesn't strike me as the type who's going to be unreasonable in his trade demands. It also helps that the teams who can make the best offers are also contenders/will be contenders with Giannis.

Seems like his want list has been put out there... East teams but he also likes low taxes.

SharoneWright · Post #16 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:34 pm

S.W.A.N wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:Anyone be kind enough to give a basic summary?!?

They like the pieces on the roster. Don't see how they fit and not sure what the master plan is.

Basically they are like the rest of us. Wait and see.

Like Khaman over Queen for us because of Defense (with the focus being how to maximize Scotties talents)
Thought drafting the new Yak could be interesting. They like CMB.

Sam is a Shead Head, but thinks another guard would be a good idea, as would a backup big... So they said the sky is blue. But in a positive way.

They talked about Durant and how it could be interesting but creates a very small window, they were a little cool on that idea. They were interested in the Giannis trade but didn't think we have the best trade options for the Bucks versus some of the other teams.

Also, thinks Scottie is LeBron James.

Kurtz · Post #17 » by **Kurtz** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:36 pm

S.W.A.N wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:Hard disagree that the Bucks might just take the highest bid, even if it's a team Giannis didn't provide. He is the only person that has suggested that and it will not happen. Even Bucks fans and reporters all agree that IF he asks out, he is absolutely going to a team of his choosing,

Giannis doesn't strike me as the type who's going to be unreasonable in his trade demands. It also helps that the teams who can make the best offers are also contenders/will be contenders with Giannis.

Seems like his want list has been put out there... East teams but he also likes low taxes.

That pretty much just leaves Orlando and Miami.

S.W.A.N · Post #18 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:41 pm

Kurtz wrote:
S.W.A.N wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Giannis doesn't strike me as the type who's going to be unreasonable in his trade demands. It also helps that the teams who can make the best offers are also contenders/will be contenders with Giannis.

Seems like his want list has been put out there... East teams but he also likes low taxes.

That pretty much just leaves Orlando and Miami.

I think it means Spurs and Houston also on the table. The stay in the East thing probably gets trumped by taxes and winning.

Zeno · Post #19 » by **Zeno** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:41 pm

I don’t mind Vicenie, though he has a number of verbal tics that he cycles through numerous times a podcast that make him a little tiring to listen to sometimes.

S.W.A.N · Post #20 » by **S.W.A.N** » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:42 pm

SharoneWright wrote:
S.W.A.N wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:Anyone be kind enough to give a basic summary?!?

They like the pieces on the roster. Don't see how they fit and not sure what the master plan is.

Basically they are like the rest of us. Wait and see.

Like Khaman over Queen for us because of Defense (with the focus being how to maximize Scotties talents)
Thought drafting the new Yak could be interesting. They like CMB.

Sam is a Shead Head, but thinks another guard would be a good idea, as would a backup big... So they said the sky is blue. But in a positive way.

They talked about Durant and how it could be interesting but creates a very small window, they were a little cool on that idea. They were interested in the Giannis trade but didn't think we have the best trade options for the Bucks versus some of the other teams.

Also, thinks Scottie is LeBron James.

Lebron Like... they were very clear he not Lebron but the same type of player... Ya that was a interesting perspective