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RJ Barrett is Criminally Underrated

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RJ Barrett is Criminally Underrated 

Post#1 » by earthtone » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:31 am

It's draft season and the off-season, so there's a lot of talk about roster building and how to construct the team for next year. One constant I've noticed in a lot of these discussions is that RJ Barrett is confusingly, (near criminally) underrated by a large segment of the fan base. His play as a Raptor has been a lot closer to All-Star level than to 'toxic asset' or salary dump levels, and the negativity about his contract, skill set, and ability to fit within this roster, don't seem to match up with his on-court play.

In a January 2024 press conference, the first after the OG Anunoby & Pascal Siakam trades, Masai had this to say about the acquisition of RJ:
We're trying to teach him to play in a different way and I think he's going to get better at it. We already see it. His shooting will get better and we continue to grow from there...
He's 23 years old you know, and I think sometimes these players are put in those kind of situations... Sometimes right in the beginning of their careers they're not in the right situation to be honest, and we're hoping with him that was the case.

The Knicks were one of the most successful teams in the league this past year, but this current Knicks organization isn't the same one RJ was drafted to. RJ was drafted to a Knicks franchise that had won 1 playoff series in the past 19 years, and had a history of poor asset management, and even worse player development. Even with his struggles and inefficient play as a Knick, he's still pretty comfortably in their top three best draft picks of the past 30 years, and was a big part of their resurgence back to respectability. While on his rookie contract he helped lead the Knicks to two playoff appearances including their first playoff series win in a decade, but his impact was muted by his inconsistent shooting, poor shot-selection/playmaking, and lacklustre defense.

    RJ's Knicks career lasted 4.5 seasons from ages 19-23, and he averaged 18.1 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 2.8 APG, shooting 34% from three with a .476 EFG%. He averaged -2.4 BPM, -0.9 VORP, and a negative EPM while with the organization.

RJ finished that season playing 32 games for the Raptors, averaging 21/6/4/ while shooting a scorching 39% from three and .601 EFG%. He followed that extremely hot end to the season with a great showing for Canada in the Olympics. Over 4 games, RJ averaged 20/4/3 while shooting 43% from 3PT, showcasing great defense and looking like one of the best players in the world on the global stage.

His hot shooting didn't translate over to the 2024-25 season, but he continued to improve in many aspects of his game. He led the team in drives, and his relentless rim-pressure combined with his improvement as a ball-handler allowed him to create paint touches and will and draw gravity that unlocked his potential as a shooter. At a point mid-season, the RJ + Jakob pick & roll was one of the most efficient plays in the NBA, and RJ showed off a much improved shot diet -going from 46% on 2's as a Knick to 55% as a Raptor - and a huge leap in playmaking ability, nearly doubling his assist percentage from 13.4 in NY, to 24.5 in TOR.

He made significant strides in effort and consistency, using ways to utilize his strength and contact balance as an on-ball defender, and was much more engaged and active playing passing lanes and rotating to plug driving lanes as a help defender. He had his first season with a positive BPM and he had the highest WPA of his career.

    He finished the 2024-25 season as a 24 year old averaging 21.1 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 5.4 assists, shooting 36% from three with a .522 EFG%. He finished the season a positive BPM and VORP for the first time in his career.

Over the past 5 years, there have been 30 total players to average 20/5/5 in a season. Out of those 30 players, 28 have made an all-star team at least once in their career. The only two that haven't are Malcolm Brogdon, and RJ Barrett. The rest are in the perennial all-star/All-NBA tier of player, and even if you're not sold on RJ becoming that calibre of player, he's not being paid like one. Of all the players in this list signed to a contract for next season, RJ will be making the 2nd lowest-salary, after only Jalen Williams who's still on his rookie contract and is a lock to be signed to a Rookie Scale Max at the end of this playoff run.

RJ's is efficiency is below average, but his raw production is fantastic, and his efficiency after 90 games as a Raptor is already leaps and bounds better than it was a Knick, and still has a lot of time to improve.

From Masai at this year's end of season press conference:
I think RJ plays different from how he played in New York. His team focus. We're working on our offense and I think our offense will get better as we grow. We have that focus of playing together, and playing the right way, and attacking the game, and it's really built our culture.

... He told on himself. He can defend now.


When we traded for RJ, the plan was to get him to adapt to a more efficient play style, become a better playmaker, and improve his defense. Fifteen months later, I think it's hard to make the case he hasn't done that. We have a hometown kid who's improved in literally every counting stat and efficiency & impact metric since joining the Raptors, and he'll only be 25 years old for the entirety of next season.

I don't think his contract is a detriment to the team. He'll be the 66th highest paid player in the league this season, and with his next contract not kicking in until the 2027-2028 season, I'd happily sign him to a long-term extension this offseason. With his current growth curve and trajectory since joining the franchise, I think it's much more likely he'll play at, or above the cost of a $30 mil/yr extension than he'll play below it. I think he's a great fit with this roster, and I'm excited to watch him continue to grow and hopefully win some playoff games as a Raptor next year.
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Post#2 » by Shakril » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:35 am

Nobody is underrating RJ. He is simply the odd man out. The current starting lineup of: Poeltl, Barnes, RJ, BI and IQ will not work. Poeltl, Barnes, BI and IQ are set in stone. RJ is the only one that can be replaced, for example a defensive player.
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Post#3 » by djsunyc » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:36 am

i like rj too. local kid. so im rooting for him. he's a good player. has his flaws that are always brought up which at times are unfair. he can keep adding to his game so curious to see what he works on this summer.

i am not too attached to anybody on the roster tho. we are in a transitional phase and anyone can get traded.

i think if we go into camp with the squad as it looks now, we will have a much better understanding on who is part of the solution or is part of the problem.
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Post#4 » by Basketball_Jones » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:38 am

There is no reason he should be shooting free throws like a center. That is absolutely inexcusable and a freakin abomination imo. Otherwise, quite happy if he just maintains everything else.
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Post#5 » by arbsn » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:39 am

100%.

Would prioritize RJ over anyone outside of maybe Scottie.
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Post#6 » by Boogie! » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:43 am

arbsn wrote:100%.

Would prioritize RJ over anyone outside of maybe Scottie.


The Rj hate reminds me of the Norman hate. You don’t realize what you have until he’s gone.
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Post#7 » by nivisi9 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:56 am

Boogie! wrote:
arbsn wrote:100%.

Would prioritize RJ over anyone outside of maybe Scottie.


The Rj hate reminds me of the Norman hate. You don’t realize what you have until he’s gone.


No RJ still has some terrible advanced stats, efficiency concerns, shooting concerns, concerns about if he impacts winning or empty stats, whether he can be good defensively long term etc.

Norm was ultra efficient EVERYWHERE (50/43/80) he had turned into a lethal offensive weapon, elite outside shooting, attacking the basket, with elite athleticism/burst, headed into his prime..

if anything many were convincingly arguing that Norm was deserving of extended opportunity , more mins, chance at starting for his ACTUAL PRODUCTION AND RESULTS

Nurse held Norm back abit and he was wrong

Management was deciding not to pay Norm, a mistake you could see coming a mile away based on RESULTS

with RJ the concerns are also based on results and warranted
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Post#8 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:01 am

Shakril wrote:Nobody is underrating RJ. He is simply the odd man out. The current starting lineup of: Poeltl, Barnes, RJ, BI and IQ will not work. Poeltl, Barnes, BI and IQ are set in stone. RJ is the only one that can be replaced, for example a defensive player.


I'm not so sure. Matter of fact, I think this will be one of the main storylines of the upcoming season.

I believe Barnes, Ingram & Poeltl are the only players set in stone. We will see who's staying long term with us between IQ and Barrett.

Mind you, I'm not a stan of either of these players and to be fair - Quickley's already been paid by us, which may skew our opinions of him. That said though, I worry about whether or not he's a winning player as well. Sure he fits better because he's a good shooter but he can't get by his man AT ALL and if his 3 ball isn't dropping, he really isn't giving you much out there. He's got no mid-range game, doesn't get to the rim and doesn't generate much free throws.

Barrett can get to the rim at will, has morphed into a competent 3pt shooter and very good ball-handler - especially out of the PnR. He does needs to capitalize on those free throws better and learn to defend better (but then again, so does Quickley) but before Ingram was added, he was the only one on the team who could reliably create his own bucket and every winning team needs a guy who can do that.

We'll see if there's much overlap between Barrett and Ingram; if there is then I would agree that Barrett has to go. Ultimately someone does though.
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Post#9 » by Tripod » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:02 am

He has absolutely gotten better and deserves praise. Early on he was still taking on like 4 guys by himself with his head down. He has almost completely cut that out.

I have said during games that passing RJ is the best RJ. Mostly because it stops his old bad habits and keeps defenses guessing.

We know BI and Barnes are going to miss games. Not having RJ around will absolutely hurt the offense when needing some "easy" buckets.

I want to see what the BI gravity does for all these guys and how it can create mismatches we can exploit. He played good man vs man defense once we focused on it as a team. Let's see what next year brings.

Oh...his free throws MUST improve. He can't be worse than Yak from the line.
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Post#10 » by hyper316 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:06 am

RJ's half season with Raptors in 2023-2024 was really efficient .553 fg% .392 3pt%. He was limited to drives and 3pts. Then start of 2024-2025 with many team injuries, RJ was pushed to do more handling the ball and that was the downfall. Limit RJ's role is the key
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Post#11 » by iBall101 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:12 am

He's offensively the best scorer on the team. BI will enjoy playing with Rj more than Scottie.
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PG: I. Quickley/ J. Walter/ J. Shead
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Post#12 » by mdenny » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:20 am

iBall101 wrote:He's offensively the best scorer on the team. BI will enjoy playing with Rj more than Scottie.


Seems like the 3 of them kinda makes a complimentary troika of skills/player types.
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Post#13 » by rim_killa » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:21 am

grown to love his skillset
free throw % is ass
worrisome
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Post#14 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:25 am

Shakril wrote:Nobody is underrating RJ. He is simply the odd man out. The current starting lineup of: Poeltl, Barnes, RJ, BI and IQ will not work. Poeltl, Barnes, BI and IQ are set in stone. RJ is the only one that can be replaced, for example a defensive player.


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Post#15 » by bballsparkin » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:26 am

RJ is just like this draft. People have opinions on him all over the spectrum. He's fun to watch. Defensive effort seemed to improve during the season. He does look like an ideal 6th man in the starting line up though.
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Post#16 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:36 am

what do you think RJ's next contract will look like? We kind of have to decide right now if we want to pay it or not. If we are keeping him, we probably need to look at shipping out Ochai/Gradey for cost controlled assets.
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Post#17 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:37 am

Tripod wrote:He has absolutely gotten better and deserves praise. Early on he was still taking on like 4 guys by himself with his head down. He has almost completely cut that out.

I have said during games that passing RJ is the best RJ. Mostly because it stops his old bad habits and keeps defenses guessing.

We know BI and Barnes are going to miss games. Not having RJ around will absolutely hurt the offense when needing some "easy" buckets.

I want to see what the BI gravity does for all these guys and how it can create mismatches we can exploit. He played good man vs man defense once we focused on it as a team. Let's see what next year brings.

Oh...his free throws MUST improve. He can't be worse than Yak from the line.


Agreed, and with Ingram now in the fold RJ will be playing mostly at SG where I feel he plays his best due to his size and ability to bully his way to the basket.
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Post#18 » by S.W.A.N » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:44 am

I think most people have the right ballpark for RJ

He's a very good offensive player and could be a great third option on a winning team. His cutting, passing, pick and roll abilities are all good, and as on offensive player he would border on superstar if he puts everything together.

That said. His defense isn't good. And he's on a contract that is probably fair value when looked at in a vacuum. But when you look at the team Cap situation you see that things get trickier.

Then you look at our big acquisitions for the last couple years. BI, Dick, Walter, Ochai, Quickley.

BI is bigger and a more natural 3. He is the clear priority for the team behind Scottie. So that pair is going to be what we build around.

Does RJ work with BI and Scottie? That is the 30 million dollar question.
Offensively I think it works great. RJ goes back to playing more off the ball, cutting and attacking the rim and getting mismatches. And he can run the offense with second units.

Defensively... That is tougher. I think we'll find out pretty fast if they can build chemistry or not.

This off-season RJ's name has come up alot, but for good reason. Contract size, age and talent make him someone that would natuarlly be included in any GIannis/Durant/Superstar package.

People got rather heated when Cam Johnson's name came up, and rightly so. Cam Johnson by himself, isn't a clear upgrade over RJ and that speaks volumes about the fact we understand RJ is a damn good player that might just be in the wrong situation.


I hope everything clicks. That starting lineup could be deadly offensively and with Scottie and Yak in the front court it might be enough to be a clear net positive.

Or it could be too much overlapping skillsets and we'd actually win more games with an Ochai or a Walter in the starting lineup.... Time will tell.
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Post#19 » by Shakril » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:52 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Shakril wrote:Nobody is underrating RJ. He is simply the odd man out. The current starting lineup of: Poeltl, Barnes, RJ, BI and IQ will not work. Poeltl, Barnes, BI and IQ are set in stone. RJ is the only one that can be replaced, for example a defensive player.


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Because of defense. BI, RJ and IQ are allergic to playing good defense.
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Post#20 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:56 am

Inefficient volume scorer who plays no defense. Players like that have been overrated in the NBA for decades and he is no different.
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