Poll: Which SG would give the starting 5 its best net rating?

djsunyc · Post #1 » by **djsunyc** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:56 am

which starting 5 would have the highest net rating?

iq / rj / bi / scottie / yak
iq / ochai / bi / scottie / yak
iq / jakobe /bi / scottie /yak
iq / dick / bi / scottie / yak?

Tor_Raps · Post #2 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:59 am

Answer is Ochai now and maybe Walter in the future. Ochai's 3 and D at the SG spot allows Barnes to be dominant in the paint where he's meant to be.

Its part of why we're looking to ship RJ this offseason. While I love RJ, hope we can package him with IQ + whatever else to get a game changing PG.

LoveMyRaps · Post #3 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:01 am

Ochai

Tripod · Post #4 » by **Tripod** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:17 am

Tor_Raps wrote:Answer is Ochai now and maybe Walter in the future. Ochai's 3 and D at the SG spot allows Barnes to be dominant in the paint where he's meant to be.

Its part of why we're looking to ship RJ this offseason. While I love RJ, hope we can package him with IQ + whatever else to get a game changing PG.

Or just do that RJ to Chicago deal and draft Jase R at #12....gives us a young Trae Young who plays defense...with less offense. :nod:

As for OP, Ochai is the right answer for the reason you said...shooting and defense vs guards so Barnes doesn't get forced to. Just a much better balance for the lineup.

Then when the starters start to sit, RJ can get his touches and we have a great bench scorer. And of course he could start when BI or Barnes misses games.

Again, better roster balance assuming we keep who we have.

James_Raptors · Post #5 » by **James_Raptors** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:27 am

Ochai now, and Walter as our future SG, if all goes well.

RaptorLakerJay · Post #6 » by **RaptorLakerJay** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:14 pm

There needs to be balance in the lineup. Agree with most of y'all saying Ochai.

ShawnTO · Post #7 » by **ShawnTO** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:05 pm

Small sample size because no one lineup saw much time together, but last year all the best groups included Ochai.

Davion
Barrett
Gradey
Ochai
Poeltl => 167 mins, +3.6 net

Ja'Kobe
Barrett
Ochai
Barnes
Poeltl => 63 mins, +22.1 net

Davion
Barrett
Ochai
Barnes
Poeltl => 55 mins, +25.8 net

Swap out Ochai and you get:

Davion
Barrett
Gradey
Barnes
Poeltl => 126 mins, -8.0 net

Quickley
Barrett
Gradey
Barnes
Poeltl => 107 mins, -9.2 net

Like I said, not much to go on, but I think it speaks a bit to his defense and the extra spacing he provides.

Landomar · Post #8 » by **Landomar** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:31 pm

We need someone in the starting lineup to expend most of their energy playing perimeter defense. On offense, you'd want this player to be the 4th or 5th option and go stand in the corner. This is the Danny Green, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Lugentz Dort role that you see filled on most very good teams. Ochai is the player on our roster who is currently the best at filling this role.

ontnut · Post #9 » by **ontnut** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:46 pm

Ochai is probably the most consistent from 3, and plays the strongest defense, so it would have to be him.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #10 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:00 pm

Voted for the Ochai lineup. Dont think its most likely though unless they make a trade.

Scase · Post #11 » by **Scase** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:15 pm

Ochai by a long shot. If I had to rank them I'd say Ochai > Jakobe > RJ/Dick

TakeYourHeart · Post #12 » by **TakeYourHeart** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:35 pm

For now I think it's Ochai but I think it'll be Ja'Kobe in the long run.

Ochai is a good defender but he could stand to be way more physical. I think he prefers contain style defense, give guys a little space so you can stay in front of them on drives, give up shots but be there to contest them and so on. But they prepping Ja'Kobe to be a disrupt style defender, getting into guys jerseys to prevent them from doing what they want. If you look at these playoffs, disrupting is way more effective. Players are too talented and Ochai's conservative style will see him get burned.

Now if he comes back next season as a more physical defender it'll be Ochai hands down. He has the tools to do it, he's bigger than Ja'Kobe so I'm hoping.

DreamTeam09 · Post #13 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:45 pm

I want my best 5 on the court the most, so RJ, but the thread topic says net rating, and net rating is subjective on many factors

Shakril · Post #14 » by **Shakril** » Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:49 pm

djsunyc wrote:which starting 5 would have the highest net rating?

iq / rj / bi / scottie / yak

iq / ochai / bi / scottie / yak

iq / jakobe /bi / scottie /yak
iq / dick / bi / scottie / yak?

The 2nd one for a simple reason - defense. You have in scottie, BI and IQ enough offense that can be created. Yak is mr. Efficancy around the rim and ochai will be left open various time to cash in. With RJ instead i dont believe we would be better offensively as there is only one ball anyway.

But the defense is much better without him, and thats why i believe this lineup would be our best. RJ + Dick + Jakobe + a backup C, would also be a nice bench.

Indeed · Post #15 » by **Indeed** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:00 am

Unless Barnes can be at least an average efficient offensive player, I don't see you have enough offense without 3 scoring players on a lineup.

ConSarnit · Post #16 » by **ConSarnit** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:41 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:I want my best 5 on the court the most, so RJ, but the thread topic says net rating, and net rating is subjective on many factors

So you want the team to be worse just so you can have the players you think are best start?

Net rating highly correlates to winning. If you are winning the minutes with your starters that goes a long way towards overall wins.

DreamTeam09 · Post #17 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:25 am

ConSarnit wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:I want my best 5 on the court the most, so RJ, but the thread topic says net rating, and net rating is subjective on many factors

So you want the team to be worse just so you can have the players you think are best start?

Net rating highly correlates to winning. If you are winning the minutes with your starters that goes a long way towards overall wins.

I'm not sure how you got that from what I wrote, what makes you think the team is worse off with having its 5 best players on the court.

A bench unit could have a better net rating than the starters, doesn't mean you're now starting your bench game 1

JB7 · Post #18 » by **JB7** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:29 am

ShawnTO wrote:Small sample size because no one lineup saw much time together, but last year all the best groups included Ochai.

Davion
Barrett
Gradey
Ochai
Poeltl => 167 mins, +3.6 net

Ja'Kobe
Barrett
Ochai
Barnes
Poeltl => 63 mins, +22.1 net

Davion
Barrett
Ochai
Barnes
Poeltl => 55 mins, +25.8 net

Swap out Ochai and you get:

Davion
Barrett
Gradey
Barnes
Poeltl => 126 mins, -8.0 net

Quickley
Barrett
Gradey
Barnes
Poeltl => 107 mins, -9.2 net

Like I said, not much to go on, but I think it speaks a bit to his defense and the extra spacing he provides.

What those show is the worst groups involved Gradey.

JB7 · Post #19 » by **JB7** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:37 am

djsunyc wrote:which starting 5 would have the highest net rating?

iq / rj / bi / scottie / yak
iq / ochai / bi / scottie / yak
iq / jakobe /bi / scottie /yak
iq / dick / bi / scottie / yak?

In terms of effectiveness, RJ is needed in those starting lineups, because it needs someone that can attack the basket to help balance out the offence.

I think that’s what is not being taken into account with all the discussion about moving RJ. He is the only one that can effectively get to the basket in their rotation.

With the history of injuries, I would imagine BI is going to rely more on jump shots.

They should pair Ochai’s minutes with Gradey, to try and neutralize Gradey’s horrible D.

The only reason the Raps D will be passable next season is because of depth and effort.

Scase · Post #20 » by **Scase** » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:43 am

JB7 wrote:
djsunyc wrote:which starting 5 would have the highest net rating?

iq / rj / bi / scottie / yak
iq / ochai / bi / scottie / yak
iq / jakobe /bi / scottie /yak
iq / dick / bi / scottie / yak?

In terms of effectiveness, RJ is needed in those starting lineups, because it needs someone that can attack the basket to help balance out the offence.

I think that’s what is not being taken into account with all the discussion about moving RJ. He is the only one that can effectively get to the basket in their rotation.

With the history of injuries, I would imagine BI is going to rely more on jump shots.

They should pair Ochai’s minutes with Gradey, to try and neutralize Gradey’s horrible D.

The only reason the Raps D will be passable next season is because of depth and effort.

RJs defensive deficiencies outweigh his offensive strengths. BI has an identical FTr, and is overall a much more efficient player, RJ has an unimpressive finish rate at the rim, whereas BI is better by about 6%. While yes it's nice to have a guy who can get to the rim, it doesn't matter as much when he finishes worse, draws the same amount of fouls and hits them at roughly 10% worse rate.

Not to mention the lack of range, running Ochai by far would be more beneficial to both the defence (by a long shot) and the diversity of our offence by providing substantially more spacing.

RJ is not effective, if he was, he would be efficient. Effective and efficient both rougly derive from the same latin word "efficere" for a reason :lol: