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Made worse by picking one right after the other in back-to-back years.

You can’t hit on everything. The issue I have isn’t so much that the picks were bad as much as the inability to realize their mistake and get value out of dick especiallly. Could’ve leveraged him in a trade, maybe for another pick.

Boogie! wrote:You can’t hit on everything. The issue I have isn’t so much that the picks were bad as much as the inability to realize their mistake and get value out of dick especiallly. Could’ve leveraged him in a trade, maybe for another pick.

Based on his performance in his 1st two years, I think it's doubtful we could have gotten anything of value for Dick. It's likely every opposing scouting team had him pegged as a defensive liability.

Dick kind of made sense at the time on the surface. He was projected to go a little higher and we were a forward heavy team that was desperate for shooting. I guess the scouting team looked over some red flags like defense, narrow shoulders, lack of girth, and a non-textbook shooting form that may affect his consistency and range. That being said, I wouldn't rule out him continuing to mature until year 5, where he carves out a more reliable 15 min role off the bench.

Ja'Kobe seemed like a more questionable pick to me considering he did nothing exceptionally well, was inconsistent/inefficient, and was a 2-guard without much burst/slashing ability. He didn't fit a need on our team either. I wouldn't rule out an eventual bench role though.

Jakobe was a 19th pick in a historically weak draft. We should be happy if he turns into a reliable bench player.

ishoy123 wrote:Jakobe was a 19th pick in a historically weak draft. We should be happy if he turns into a reliable bench player.

it was only weak at the top, role player depth wasn't too bad

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Who after them would you rather have ?

Gradey is fine

Walter was the 19th pick in a historically weak draft.

I guess people wanted Yves Missi or Kyshawn George (where we would he fit in)?

Reminder that if this board drafted we would have Kobe Bufkin.

bad is a bust pick....I'm not a fan of Gradey but he's not a complete bust at least

Jakobe is still only 21 so can't write him off yet

lol, now Walter is a bad pick? It’s not a bad pick if the players drafted after him aren’t good.

Los_29 wrote:lol, now Walter is a bad pick? It’s not a bad pick if the players drafted after him aren’t good.

We're the players drafted ahead of him even good? Lmao Risacher/McCain/Castle are the best players? Lol

RoteSchroder wrote:

Boogie! wrote:You can’t hit on everything. The issue I have isn’t so much that the picks were bad as much as the inability to realize their mistake and get value out of dick especiallly. Could’ve leveraged him in a trade, maybe for another pick.

Based on his performance in his 1st two years, I think it's doubtful we could have gotten anything of value for Dick. It's likely every opposing scouting team had him pegged as a defensive liability.

Dick kind of made sense at the time on the surface. He was projected to go a little higher and we were a forward heavy team that was desperate for shooting. I guess the scouting team looked over some red flags like defense, narrow shoulders, lack of girth, and a non-textbook shooting form that may affect his consistency and range. That being said, I wouldn't rule out him continuing to mature until year 5, where he carves out a more reliable 15 min role off the bench.

Ja'Kobe seemed like a more questionable pick to me considering he did nothing exceptionally well, was inconsistent/inefficient, and was a 2-guard without much burst/slashing ability. He didn't fit a need on our team either. I wouldn't rule out an eventual bench role though.

I see it the other way around.

Most of our successful picks were based on physical attributes, and Dick is not. We are more drafting for needs and Dick dropped to us (there is clearly a reason he was dropped). I think it was pretty clear it was a bad pick drafting a one dimensional player (I like Goerge better). His jersey is definitely something the team doesn't mind, I suppose.

As for Walter, he is more well rounded, and we go back to draft someone with better physical attributes. Usually these type of players don't have good shooting, while Walter at least showed some shooting. After him in a weak draft, there isn't really good candidate, even Mogbo wouldn't be a high 2nd round in a better draft.

RoteSchroder wrote:

ishoy123 wrote:Jakobe was a 19th pick in a historically weak draft. We should be happy if he turns into a reliable bench player.

it was only weak at the top, role player depth wasn't too bad

Not true, even Mogbo wouldn't be in the top 2nd in most draft. It is weak even role player depth was pretty bad.

RoteSchroder wrote:

Boogie! wrote:You can’t hit on everything. The issue I have isn’t so much that the picks were bad as much as the inability to realize their mistake and get value out of dick especiallly. Could’ve leveraged him in a trade, maybe for another pick.

Based on his performance in his 1st two years, I think it's doubtful we could have gotten anything of value for Dick. It's likely every opposing scouting team had him pegged as a defensive liability.

Dick kind of made sense at the time on the surface. He was projected to go a little higher and we were a forward heavy team that was desperate for shooting. I guess the scouting team looked over some red flags like defense, narrow shoulders, lack of girth, and a non-textbook shooting form that may affect his consistency and range. That being said, I wouldn't rule out him continuing to mature until year 5, where he carves out a more reliable 15 min role off the bench.

Ja'Kobe seemed like a more questionable pick to me considering he did nothing exceptionally well, was inconsistent/inefficient, and was a 2-guard without much burst/slashing ability. He didn't fit a need on our team either. I wouldn't rule out an eventual bench role though.

It’s not the defense I have an issue with dick… in fact knowing that we actually drafted a shooter at a time we were all clamouring for shooters and knowing it was our weakness for years made me happy.

Seeing his college highlights how he was a catch and shoot guy and could shoot off screens made me excited. The reason difk frustrates me is that he hasn’t been that guy af the nba level. He has been an average shooter at best, and on top of that sucks at everything else and has all those weaknesses you mentioned. That being said all those things wouldn’t matter to me if he was at least klay Thompson from 3 offensively and he’s just okay which is not what I expected when we drafted him.

the only guys after Gradey, was Brandin, Jaquez and Keyonte George

Keyonte George is decent and we have another PG that can't shoot or play defense

Brandin is a good complimentary player

not a total miss honestly

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RoteSchroder wrote:

Boogie! wrote:You can’t hit on everything. The issue I have isn’t so much that the picks were bad as much as the inability to realize their mistake and get value out of dick especiallly. Could’ve leveraged him in a trade, maybe for another pick.

Based on his performance in his 1st two years, I think it's doubtful we could have gotten anything of value for Dick. It's likely every opposing scouting team had him pegged as a defensive liability.

Dick kind of made sense at the time on the surface. He was projected to go a little higher and we were a forward heavy team that was desperate for shooting. I guess the scouting team looked over some red flags like defense, narrow shoulders, lack of girth, and a non-textbook shooting form that may affect his consistency and range. That being said, I wouldn't rule out him continuing to mature until year 5, where he carves out a more reliable 15 min role off the bench.

Ja'Kobe seemed like a more questionable pick to me considering he did nothing exceptionally well, was inconsistent/inefficient, and was a 2-guard without much burst/slashing ability. He didn't fit a need on our team either. I wouldn't rule out an eventual bench role though.

I see it the other way around.

Most of our successful picks were based on physical attributes, and Dick is not. We are more drafting for needs and Dick dropped to us (there is clearly a reason he was dropped). I think it was pretty clear it was a bad pick drafting a one dimensional player (I like Goerge better). His jersey is definitely something the team doesn't mind, I suppose.

As for Walter, he is more well rounded, and we go back to draft someone with better physical attributes. Usually these type of players don't have good shooting, while Walter at least showed some shooting. After him in a weak draft, there isn't really good candidate, even Mogbo wouldn't be a high 2nd round in a better draft.

Well I agree that Dick was drafted due to need

Walter was perceived BPA because he was projected to go top 10-15 in mocks. He doesn't scream great physical attributes either, maybe just average. Lack of explosiveness and speed for a 2 guard really limits his ceiling and he was an inefficient shooter in college.

Filips was also projected to go top 10-15. Other options around that range was basically DaRon Holmes II, Yves Missi. The rest were generally mocked lower. So theoretically, it should have been between Ja'Kobe, Flip, Daron, Missi. I personally would have taken the Mormon and then traded him to Utah after a good 1st year.

In terms of Mogbo in the 2nd round, any 2nd round pick working out in any draft is always a win. In the previous year, you had Kobe Brown at 30 and James Nnaji at 31. So not completely out of the question that Mogbo could be drafted in the high 2nd round in other drafts. I mean...we drafted Caboclo 20th...the dude was a Chomche level prospect.

Not to mention, the 2024 2nd round already seems better than the 2023 2nd round to me. Why is the 2024 draft weak at pick 19+, but not 2023?

I disagree with this assessment. Both players have had their roles limited from last year by a considerable degree. They need to adjust to that. I still think both can be rotation guys on a winning team.

Gradey is a fine player off the bench, Walter on the other hand needs 905.