We Can't Shoot for Sh*t

[lobosloboslobos]

I know this is stating the obvious but in today's NBA to be as bad as we are at 3 point shooting isn't a winning formula, no matter how good we are at defense and fastbreaks and rebounding and pounding the paint and sharing the ball and all the other stuff we do really well. It's just too big of a disadvantage, especially against good teams.

For example, in the past 15 games:

- our opponents outshot us from deep 13 times
- in every one of our losses (7) we were outshot from deep
- we never shot over 38% from deep
- we shot league average (36%) or better from deep just 3 times (37, 38 and 39)
- our opponent shot league average (36%) or better from deep 9 times (including 5 games of 40+)
- we shot in the 20s or teens (aka terribly) from deep 7 times (aka half the time)

Bottom line: we are shooting 33% for the season which is LAST in the league. That makes us hardworking roadkill against good teams. I love our guys but...

tldr: we need better shooters

but also a question: is it just coincidence that our 3pt shooters are all having down years or is there a reason tied to how we play or are coached?

[Indeed]

1) Our 3 point shooting was pretty good with Barrett, even he is not an elite 3 point shooter, that may answer half of the problem
2) Best player isn't a 3 point shooter nor playing at C, so it will always be 1/4 lower than other teams.

[Clutch0z24]

Not shocked by the fact we can't shoot....We have zero knock down shooters on the team and majority are streaky...

For the playoffs even if we were fully healthy where we lack 3pt shooting is what will be the reason we lose....In the playoffs guys have to hit shots and i don't think we have the team for that....Once a team stops our fast breaks, Plays zone on us, and slows the game down we become very bad on offense.

Lack of scorers as well Ingram can do his thing and Barnes is coming around to it but not much else.

[lobosloboslobos]

1) Our 3 point shooting was pretty good with Barrett, even he is not an elite 3 point shooter, that may answer half of the problem
2) Best player isn't a 3 point shooter nor playing at C, so it will always be 1/4 lower than other teams.

I like RJ a lot but he's shooting 35.5 on the season from 3. Having him back will help us for sure but it won't solve the 3 pt shooting issue.

[Indeed]

Not shocked by the fact we can't shoot....We have zero knock down shooters on the team and majority are streaky...

For the playoffs even if we were fully healthy where we lack 3pt shooting is what will be the reason we lose....In the playoffs guys have to hit shots and i don't think we have the team for that....Once a team stops our fast breaks, Plays zone on us, and slows the game down we become very bad on offense...

Battle? Quickley (paid like one)?

Please don't give me excuse, and look at other teams, they aren't that much better. Teams are also prefer to have 3&D over shooting specialist. Maybe go back to box-score of our previous games, and tell me who is the shooter you want to swap from our team.

[Indeed]

1) Our 3 point shooting was pretty good with Barrett, even he is not an elite 3 point shooter, that may answer half of the problem
2) Best player isn't a 3 point shooter nor playing at C, so it will always be 1/4 lower than other teams.

I like RJ a lot but he's shooting 35.5 on the season from 3. Having him back will help us for sure but it won't solve the 3 pt shooting issue.

You may want to check our team 3 point shooting stats with Barrett playing vs he is not playing.
It could be early season, but top of the league in 3 point efficiency back then? Even it is average, we are still largely better than being bottom.

[Clutch0z24]

Not shocked by the fact we can't shoot....We have zero knock down shooters on the team and majority are streaky...

For the playoffs even if we were fully healthy where we lack 3pt shooting is what will be the reason we lose....In the playoffs guys have to hit shots and i don't think we have the team for that....Once a team stops our fast breaks, Plays zone on us, and slows the game down we become very bad on offense...

Battle? Quickley (paid like one)?

Please don't give me excuse, and look at other teams, they aren't that much better. Teams are also prefer to have 3&D over shooting specialist. Maybe go back to box-score of our previous games, and tell me who is the shooter you want to swap from our team.

If we were a better shooting team like you are trying to suggest we would not crumble everytime we are against a zone....If you think we are a good 3pt shooting team ...Your eyes are lying to you...



We rank dead last in 3pt shooting this year....That is not a winning formula especially in the playoffs when the game slows down and you need to hit shots.

[MEDIC]

We have shooting specialists that can't hit 3's whaddya do.....

Gradey was drafted to be a sniper. He is one of the worst shooters on the team this year. He is shooting .302

IQ was signed to be a guy that takes difficult shots & hit at a 40% rate. He's way below expectations. He is now shooting .346
Super streaky too.

As for Barrett. It's not an awesome.%, but he has been pretty consistent. One of our more consistent 3 piint shooters. Jakobe is out as well. He was shooting well before the injury. So missing RJ & Jakobe is hurting us. (They are top 3 shooters for us % wise)

Also.....Battle should have been given more opportunity this season. I don't get what is up with the whole Battle situation, but they haven't done the team any favors by not integrating him into the offense & giving him a consistent role. The guy is shooting .439! I guarantee there are other teams in the league keeping an eye on him, hoping to take advantage of a cheap FA signing.

Even Lawson is shooting .381. He should have taken Gradeys minutes a long time ago.

Gradey not turning into a sniper & being one of the worst shooters in the league has hurt us. We have ofher guys, but the coach isn't using them.

[PushDaRock]

1) Our 3 point shooting was pretty good with Barrett, even he is not an elite 3 point shooter, that may answer half of the problem
2) Best player isn't a 3 point shooter nor playing at C, so it will always be 1/4 lower than other teams.

12.3 makes on 36.3% in games RJ plays
10.4 makes on 30.6% in games RJ doesn't play

[PushDaRock]

1) Our 3 point shooting was pretty good with Barrett, even he is not an elite 3 point shooter, that may answer half of the problem
2) Best player isn't a 3 point shooter nor playing at C, so it will always be 1/4 lower than other teams.

I like RJ a lot but he's shooting 35.5 on the season from 3. Having him back will help us for sure but it won't solve the 3 pt shooting issue.

You should check the stats on our 3 point shooting with him vs without him

[MEDIC]

1) Our 3 point shooting was pretty good with Barrett, even he is not an elite 3 point shooter, that may answer half of the problem
2) Best player isn't a 3 point shooter nor playing at C, so it will always be 1/4 lower than other teams.

I like RJ a lot but he's shooting 35.5 on the season from 3. Having him back will help us for sure but it won't solve the 3 pt shooting issue.

You should check the stats on our 3 point shooting with him vs without him

Rim pressure. Guys shoot a higher % on kick-outs & RJ is good at getting to those spots & making those passes. Plus, he is the best shooter in the SL % wise.

[Sandman88]

Got me wanting Michael Porter Jr cuz no one can shoot on our team

[PushDaRock]

We have shooting specialists that can't hit 3's whaddya do.....

Gradey was drafted to be a sniper. He is one of the worst shooters on the team this year. He is shooting .302

IQ was signed to be a guy that takes difficult shots & hit at a 40% rate. He's way below expectations. He is now shooting .346
Super streaky too.

As for Barrett. It's not an awesome.%, but he has been pretty consistent. One of our more consistent 3 piint shooters. Jakobe is out as well. He was shooting well before the injury. So missing RJ & Jakobe is hurting us. (They are top 3 shooters for us % wise)

Also.....Battle should have been given more opportunity this season. I don't get what is up with the whole Battle situation, but they haven't done the team any favors by not integrating him into the offense & giving him a consistent role. The guy is shooting .439! I guarantee there are other teams in the league keeping an eye on him, hoping to take advantage of a cheap FA signing.

Even Lawson is shooting .381. He should have taken Gradeys minutes a long time ago.

Gradey not turning into a sniper & being one of the worst shooters in the league has hurt us. We have ofher guys, but the coach isn't using them.

Lawson has been a 32-33% in the G League and the NBA for his career. If you're expecting him to help, that's pretty optimistic.

Battle has been shooting just as bad as Gradey the last 2 months.

[PushDaRock]

I like RJ a lot but he's shooting 35.5 on the season from 3. Having him back will help us for sure but it won't solve the 3 pt shooting issue.

You should check the stats on our 3 point shooting with him vs without him

Rim pressure. Guys shoot a higher % on kick-outs & RJ is good at getting to those spots & making those passes. Plus, he is the best shooter in the SL % wise.

RJ definitely should help but it's also a bit strange, because we're getting even more wide open looks from 3 without RJ but they're just missing them. It's probably partly mental at this point with guys just lacking confidence out there.

[HumbleRen]

1) Our 3 point shooting was pretty good with Barrett, even he is not an elite 3 point shooter, that may answer half of the problem
2) Best player isn't a 3 point shooter nor playing at C, so it will always be 1/4 lower than other teams.

I like RJ a lot but he's shooting 35.5 on the season from 3. Having him back will help us for sure but it won't solve the 3 pt shooting issue.

You may want to check our team 3 point shooting stats with Barrett playing vs he is not playing.
It could be early season, but top of the league in 3 point efficiency back then? Even it is average, we are still largely better than being bottom.

It was just a hot shooting streak tbh.

Scottie and Mamu were shooting like 50% from the 3 on decent volume. The regression to the mean is hitting now. Reality is our team is just a very bad 3 point shooting team lol.

Our 5 best players can’t shoot the 3 efficiently.

RJ, BI, Scottie, Poeltl and CMB.

[SFour]

It's not great when RJ and Mamu are your team's top 3pt shooters.....and the best specialist 3pt shooter (Battle) barely gets any playing time.

And then you have Dick shooting 30% and Ochai at 20%.....two guys we were expecting to provide 3pt shooting going into this season.

[Indeed]

Not shocked by the fact we can't shoot....We have zero knock down shooters on the team and majority are streaky...

For the playoffs even if we were fully healthy where we lack 3pt shooting is what will be the reason we lose....In the playoffs guys have to hit shots and i don't think we have the team for that....Once a team stops our fast breaks, Plays zone on us, and slows the game down we become very bad on offense...

Battle? Quickley (paid like one)?

Please don't give me excuse, and look at other teams, they aren't that much better. Teams are also prefer to have 3&D over shooting specialist. Maybe go back to box-score of our previous games, and tell me who is the shooter you want to swap from our team.

If we were a better shooting team like you are trying to suggest we would not crumble everytime we are against a zone....If you think we are a good 3pt shooting team ...Your eyes are lying to you...



We rank dead last in 3pt shooting this year....That is not a winning formula especially in the playoffs when the game slows down and you need to hit shots.

Again, tell me WHO you want from the teams we played against last few games.
The excuse is that other teams are doing it because they got better shooters? No. Their best players were the reason, because you can't sub them out.

[Indeed]

I like RJ a lot but he's shooting 35.5 on the season from 3. Having him back will help us for sure but it won't solve the 3 pt shooting issue.

You should check the stats on our 3 point shooting with him vs without him

Rim pressure. Guys shoot a higher % on kick-outs & RJ is good at getting to those spots & making those passes. Plus, he is the best shooter in the SL % wise.

Indeed, it allows others to simplify their job on offense, which is half of it. For example, Shead and Quickley would have an easier job in getting to their spot.

[JB7]

The defensive presence they need to maintain throughout the game also probably doesn't help. Their legs are not under their shots in the 2nd and 4th quarters. So guys coming back from injuries will help their depth and ability to rest guys a bit more, which could help the shooting.

[MEDIC]

We have shooting specialists that can't hit 3's whaddya do.....

Gradey was drafted to be a sniper. He is one of the worst shooters on the team this year. He is shooting .302

IQ was signed to be a guy that takes difficult shots & hit at a 40% rate. He's way below expectations. He is now shooting .346
Super streaky too.

As for Barrett. It's not an awesome.%, but he has been pretty consistent. One of our more consistent 3 piint shooters. Jakobe is out as well. He was shooting well before the injury. So missing RJ & Jakobe is hurting us. (They are top 3 shooters for us % wise)

Also.....Battle should have been given more opportunity this season. I don't get what is up with the whole Battle situation, but they haven't done the team any favors by not integrating him into the offense & giving him a consistent role. The guy is shooting .439! I guarantee there are other teams in the league keeping an eye on him, hoping to take advantage of a cheap FA signing.

Even Lawson is shooting .381. He should have taken Gradeys minutes a long time ago.

Gradey not turning into a sniper & being one of the worst shooters in the league has hurt us. We have ofher guys, but the coach isn't using them.

Lawson has been a 32-33% in the G League and the NBA for his career. If you're expecting him to help, that's pretty optimistic.

Battle has been shooting just as bad as Gradey the last 2 months.

Lawson is still shooting better than Gradey.

Battle hasn't had enough opportunity. You can't be expected to peform getting spotty minutes here and there. How many shots has he taken over the last 2 months? 20?