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As has been stated a number of times, a real third PG seems like a good idea, with TJ out for quite a while, and probably still a serious injury risk when he comes back. What do you guys think it would take to get Sergio Rodriguez from Portland? They have quite a logjam at PG with Blake, Jack and Sergio, plus they are bringing in Rudy Fernandez next year, so I would think Sergio is very obtainable. His game is a bit raw at the moment, and he sometimes plays out of control, but he has a ton of upside.

What's so intriguing about a scrub point guard who shoots 40%? There's a ton of better options.

ummm no. plz. I have no idea why we would bring him in, when we can get a guy like Damon SToudamire or Tarence Kinsey. This guy may be an improvement over DMART, but he still sucks.

TJ11 wrote:What's so intriguing about a scrub point guard who shoots 40%? There's a ton of better options.

Because he's only 21?

He should be an NBA rotation player in time. He's got a true, pass first mentality. Solid passing skills and 3-point range but is still pretty weak physically. As cheap 3rd guy on the depth chart, he'd be a pretty fit and an upgrade on the DMart/Dixon disaster.

I was actually skimming through some threads on the Portland board, since they're my second team and all, and apparently they're quite high on him. Nate McMillan prefers players that play under control and not force it too much and we all know how Rodriguez, similar to TJ, takes risks so this may be the reason why he hasn't been getting ample playing time. They're teaching him to be a bit more patient on the offensive end and imo he's not going anywhere unless Portland goes on a huge losing streak and become desperate for change. His salary is basically peanuts for such a skilled player with a ton of potential.

I can picture Jack being shipped out before Sergio.

Have you watched him play? Don't just look at his stats. He has great handles, is quick, and can make some very nice passes. The idea is to get a player for the future, not just for now. If gets another stinger or two he could very well retire.

edit: this was in response to the first 2 posts, the other two slipped in as i was replying.

I'd love to get Jack, he would fit in chemistry wise and he's a big PG which would be valuable even when TJ is back

What about Ukic?

I know he is getting more minutes now and he torched us preseason.

Last year Sergio played amazingly well when he was given the time with Jack out - he's young with tons of potential, and would love to have him on the Raptors in-case we trade away one of our PGs in the future

The_Hater wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Because he's only 21?

He should be an NBA rotation player in time. He's got a true, pass first mentality. Solid passing skills and 3-point range but is still pretty weak physically. As cheap 3rd guy on the depth chart, he'd be a pretty fit and an upgrade on the DMart/Dixon disaster.

Why would we get him, when we could get Tarence Kinsey for pretty much nothing (free agent). THe guy is young, and I bet if he is given the chance like Jose Calderon to fit on a team and get efficent minutes, he will be much more of an impact player than Caldy. Don't forget Tarence Kinsey averaged 18ppg in the last couple of games. He was a pure threat on Memphis (even though most of team sucked). ANd plus, how in the world are we supposed to get this guy from Portland, when they dont want a guy like Dixon or Martin, and we dont have any 2nd round draft picks left. If you are willing to gamble and trade hump, then that is the only option left. (Graham has no value either).

Yuri Vaultin wrote:What about Ukic?

I know he is getting more minutes now and he torched us preseason.

The Raps assistant GM said this guy has been doing fairly good this season. But I don't think he will be coming in next year. The season after that he will. Don't forget, some second round draft picks never get used, even though we own his rights. There have been guys drafted since 1995 that still haven't played, and teams still on some of the players.

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Why would we get him, when we could get Tarence Kinsey for pretty much nothing (free agent). THe guy is young, and I bet if he is given the chance like Jose Calderon to fit on a team and get efficent minutes, he will be much more of an impact player than Caldy. Don't forget Tarence Kinsey averaged 18ppg in the last couple of games. He was a pure threat on Memphis (even though most of team sucked). ANd plus, how in the world are we supposed to get this guy from Portland, when they dont want a guy like Dixon or Martin, and we dont have any 2nd round draft picks left. If you are willing to gamble and trade hump, then that is the only option left. (Graham has no value either).

Isn't Kinsey a swingman, not a PG?

edit: I'll admit I don't know much about him, but he's 6'6", generally listed as a guard-forward, and has averaged 0.7 assists in 18 mpg over his 59 game career.

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Isn't Kinsey a swingman, not a PG?

he can play like one. HE has good adaption skils. Unlike Dixon, he gets quite used to that position and plays it well. I m still quite surprised no GM has picked this guy up, he is a young stud with good ball skills. If I was a GM, I would lock this guy up.

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Why would we get him, when we could get Tarence Kinsey for pretty much nothing (free agent). THe guy is young, and I bet if he is given the chance like Jose Calderon to fit on a team and get efficent minutes, he will be much more of an impact player than Caldy. Don't forget Tarence Kinsey averaged 18ppg in the last couple of games. He was a pure threat on Memphis (even though most of team sucked). ANd plus, how in the world are we supposed to get this guy from Portland, when they dont want a guy like Dixon or Martin, and we dont have any 2nd round draft picks left. If you are willing to gamble and trade hump, then that is the only option left. (Graham has no value either).

You can't compare Kinsey to Sergio...they play 2 different positions. Sergio is worth mentioning in terms of talent and Raptors' need but in terms of availability and likelihood, not worth discussing. The only players they'd probably be interested in are Delfino and Humphries (players we'd probably be willing to trade). They already have Frye so scratch Humps plus salaries won't match unless we take back another player which we don't have a roster spot for and I don't see us giving up Delfino.

Oh yea, and Kinsey. I really liked what I saw from him last season and in preseason. I was shocked they let him go and he'd be a really good pick up for us if we can somehow package Dixon and Graham in a 2 for 1 deal to free up a roster spot to sign Kinsey because I don't see the point in keeping Dixon along with Kinsey since both play the same role as being scorers off the bench.

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he can play like one. HE has good adaption skils. Unlike Dixon, he gets quite used to that position and plays it well. I m still quite surprised no GM has picked this guy up, he is a young stud with good ball skills. If I was a GM, I would lock this guy up.

Delfino and Parker can play like PGs too, but that doesn't make them good long-term solutions as a 2nd/3rd pg.

call me crazy but i dont think we need to be looking for the best shooter or the best passer. I think we need a defensive specialist as our 3rd string PG. i still have bad memories of J-Kidd abusing us in the playoffs.

maybe Eric Snow? although i'm not sure if he's still the defender he used to be.

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You can't compare Kinsey to Sergio...they play 2 different positions. Sergio is worth mentioning in terms of talent and Raptors' need but in terms of availability and likelihood, not worth discussing. The only players they'd probably be interested in are Delfino and Humphries (players we'd probably be willing to trade). They already have Frye so scratch Humps plus salaries won't match unless we take back another player which we don't have a roster spot for and I don't see us giving up Delfino.

Portland really want to get rid of Darius Miles, who is locked in for this year and 2 more at 9 mil. Also, I think they see Blake and Fernandez as their future PG combo, so I was thinking something along the lines of Rasho (more useful player, expires 1 year earlier than Miles) + Dmart (expires after this season, and would make salaries work) for Sergio + Miles.
For Portland this would mean they'd have Rasho, LaFrentz and Steve Francis all expiring at the end of next year, giving them some serious money to spend on FAs (those 3 would combine for about $37 mil in salary).

I think it would be easier to get Jack away from Portland then Sergio. But Jack has been playing pretty good lately. I think Portland will stick with this roster until they don't make the playoffs. Which will be around the trading deadline.

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Isn't Kinsey a swingman, not a PG?

Yes he is. But that clown actually thinks that Kinsey, even though he's not a PG and is currently unemployed, would be an improvement on Calderon.

Yes, that's the type of poster you're responding too.

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Portland really want to get rid of Darius Miles, who is locked in for this year and 2 more at 9 mil. Also, I think they see Blake and Fernandez as their future PG combo, so I was thinking something along the lines of Rasho (more useful player, expires 1 year earlier than Miles) + Dmart (expires after this season, and would make salaries work) for Sergio + Miles.

You want to spend our cap space on Darius Miles? And lose our best interior defender in the process? Because that's essentially what you're suggesting here.

There's no way that BC helps Portland get rid of the Miles mistake.