Franchise player vs franchise player

curryfries · Post #1 » by **curryfries** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:43 pm

As a raptor fan i am really disappointed in Bosh this season, he continues to disappear when it matters most to this team and when we face the teams with superstars like Lebron it always seems like their star rises up and destroys us while Bosh drifts away and does nothing in crunch time.

This season I thought I would get to see Bosh begin to peak as a player and show that he is on their level but what has happened this season has been the exact opposite with Bosh actually regressing and vanishing even more when the games are on the line.

Today once again we were shown that our #1 is not a true #1 and im getting so sick of seeing this occur im thinking of no longer watching this team until changes are made.

We will never win a title with Chris Bosh as our #1 option, never!

Necrodamus · Post #2 » by **Necrodamus** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:45 pm

What do you expect from Bosh? for him to be a Duncan/Garnett? Both have height and size advantages over bosh,, so not fair comparison.

Silk Wilkes · Post #3 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:45 pm

Chris can't exactly pull up for 3's like LeBron does. He plays more facing up in the post which is easier to defend since Cleveland can zone in on him. Defending LeBron is much more difficult since you don't know if he's gonna shoot or drive. Chris can lead us to a title but he needs an elite wingman to help him out. Everyone knows it takes three starts these days.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #4 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:46 pm

he makes lebron money, so it's fair to expect LeBron like production, but I'm just not sure that it's a realistic expectation at this point, and part of it has to do with there positions, but LeBron is clearly the better player. The lack of being really clutch is not new with Bosh, although he's getting a lot better.

jim rockford · Post #5 » by **jim rockford** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:47 pm

was he ever that good though?? great player on bad team or #2 guy on great team is how i see it.......AND, how many pf's take control of games at the end? isn't the end of the game more SG/SF oriented? SG especially

Vlade Divac · Post #6 » by **Vlade Divac** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:47 pm

Find me a 4 or 5 with .437 field goal percentage, of course CB4 excluded

Add into that that our 5 is .395 and you see why we need E.Curry.

Tommy Gun · Post #7 » by **Tommy Gun** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:48 pm

Contender, you know as well as I do that no big man is a go to guy in the clutch. Thats been the knock on someone like KG his whole career. They cant take the ball from 25 feet out and score in a multiple of ways--a wing needs to do that.

Get Bosh a real #1 option superstar wing and I would be as happy as anyone.

jim rockford · Post #8 » by **jim rockford** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:49 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:he makes lebron money, so it's fair to expect LeBron like production, but I'm just not sure that it's a realistic expectation at this point, and part of it has to do with there positions, but LeBron is clearly the better player. The lack of being really clutch is not new with Bosh, although he's getting a lot better.

of course lebron is wildly underpaid due to the salary cap... without that, he'd make far more $$$$ than bosh.

to the subsequent poster, good point on the low FG%. although i presume eddy curry isn't the answer.

MacDaddy · Post #9 » by **MacDaddy** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:49 pm

More importantly everytime Bosh touched the ball in the 4th quarter he was doubled hard. There was no one even open for the pass out. If this team can't even make the Cavs pay for a hard double on Bosh then I predict a 1st round ejection from the playoffs.

Tommy Gun · Post #10 » by **Tommy Gun** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:51 pm

MacDaddy wrote:More importantly everytime Bosh touched the ball in the 4th quarter he was doubled hard. There was no one even open for the pass out. If this team can't even make the Cavs pay for a hard double on Bosh then I predict a 1st round ejection from the playoffs.

Impossible!! Why would the Cavs double Bosh! Bosh sucks and is the cause of all the Raptors problems! IL MAGO and Parker are the true superstars on this team!

MacDaddy · Post #11 » by **MacDaddy** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:51 pm

Tommy Gun wrote:Contender, you know as well as I do that no big man is a go to guy in the clutch. Thats been the knock on someone like KG his whole career. They cant take the ball from 25 feet out and score in a multiple of ways--a wing needs to do that.

Get Bosh a real #1 option superstar wing and I would be as happy as anyone.

Like Rudy Gay? Hee hee.

curryfries · Post #12 » by **curryfries** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:51 pm

MacDaddy wrote:More importantly everytime Bosh touched the ball in the 4th quarter he was doubled hard. There was no one even open for the pass out. If this team can't even make the Cavs pay for a hard double on Bosh then I predict a 1st round ejection from the playoffs.

No he wasnt he had Bob one on one everytime and instead of taking it hard to the rim he stood there for five seconds until the cavs help came.

He does this on a regular basis and is extremely frustrating to watch

MacDaddy · Post #13 » by **MacDaddy** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:51 pm

curryfries wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No he wasnt he had Bob one on one everytime and instead of taking it hard to the rim he stood there for five seconds until the cavs help came.

He does this on a regular basis and is extremely frustrating to watch

No he didn't.

curryfries · Post #14 » by **curryfries** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:52 pm

MacDaddy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Like Rudy Gay? Hee hee.

Actually no not Rudy Gay, we have seen what he can do with a C-PF in Gasol which is a 9-23 record.

Hee hee

Nia · Post #15 » by **Nia** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:53 pm

curryfries wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No he wasnt he had Bob one on one everytime and instead of taking it hard to the rim he stood there for five seconds until the cavs help came.

He does this on a regular basis and is extremely frustrating to watch

Bosh was always Double team.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #16 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:53 pm

curryfries wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No he wasnt he had Bob one on one everytime and instead of taking it hard to the rim he stood there for five seconds until the cavs help came.

He does this on a regular basis and is extremely frustrating to watch

isn't that being doubled, Con?

Post #17 » by **Cyrus** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:54 pm

I didn't realize Curryfries, was contender, so long sucka. IP match (Ban).

Should have figured it was him, only took a few days if that, to attack bosh, like he does on bosh's website. lol

curryfries · Post #18 » by **curryfries** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:55 pm

Nia wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bosh was always Double team.

Yes he was always doubled but the problem is he was not originally doubled, he had side show bob one on one everytime but his custom stand in one spot for five seconds before making up his mind gave the Cavs enough time to send the help just at the right time when Bosh was about to finally make up his mind..

Nia · Post #19 » by **Nia** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:55 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

isn't that being doubled, Con?

Not just Double, he even was getting Triple.

curryfries · Post #20 » by **curryfries** » Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:58 pm

Nia wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Not just Double, he even was getting Triple.

Again he was not doubled at first his constent hesitation is what gets him in trouble, if he recieved the ball and went hard the moment he got the ball there would be no double team. The help only comes when Bosh stands there and waits five seconds before he makes up his mind.

It is a serious flaw in his game and one he hasnt corrected through 5 years of playing in the NBA