The Official CB4 has to grow some Onions thread

[reck0n3r]

Okay, it has reached its tipping point with me and I really can't take it anymore watching our team implode like this so often. Sure I can't blame the entire loss on Bosh, and I'm not, but he's really gotta start growing a pair and taking things personally. I understand it's not in his personality to get ticked off at the opposition, but somethings gotta give.

What makes these great players great, as we saw tonight, is them using something, ANYTHING, as ammunition to set'em off. Every "great" (ie: MVP calibre) player in the league has this quality, but for whatever reason Chris doesn't seem to have that, so I feel that we have to take it on ourselves to let him know that he's really gotta grow up and start playing like a man.

I've mentioned before that it's going to take something pretty drastic for him to change his mental makeup, not to say this thread will accomplish that, but I really hope he can wake up. I don't even care about his stats, I want to see him get pissed off and take over games when we need him to. The only person that seems to have this type of swagger/confidence is TJ.

Anyways, he really needs to man up. Our team needs it, because they take on his identity.

Wake up dude, wake up.

PS. No, I do not 'hate' chris bosh. If i was a hater I'd say trade his ass. I'm simply pointing out something that he can improve on to make him an even better player.

[hstang]

Dude give it up. Some people are born to have these traits that you are speaking of. It doesn't appear Bosh will ever reach the elitism that players like LBJ and Wade possesses in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.

It's tough, but you'll be happier person just by accepting it.

[Tommy Gun]

Who gives a ****??

The bottom line is that surrounding with with crap, medicore players, and #1 busts is doomed to lead to failure. Same thing that happened with VC here--we gave him some overaged crap and Araujo to work with and it failed and then we all turned on VC. Unless you get a true star (no not TJ--good player but not a star or Bargs..LMAO) to play with Bosh this team will never be good. It's as simple as that.

[Northern_Raptor]

It doesn't help that the raptors run the same high screen and roll every single trip down on the offensive end. The lack of imagination usually results in a deep jumper. Bosh should have gotten way more touches inside, he was working for it.

[reck0n3r]

Who gives a ****??

The bottom line is that surrounding with with crap, medicore players, and #1 busts is doomed to lead to failure. Same thing that happened with VC here--we gave him some overaged crap and Araujo to work with and it failed and then we all turned on VC. Unless you get a true star (no not TJ--good player but not a star or Bargs..LMAO) to play with Bosh this team will never be good. It's as simple as that.

I'm not even talking about who bosh is surrounded by on the team, or even wins-losses. I'm talking about how he personally reacts to his team getting manhandled. The team could go 0-82 for all I care, as far as this is concerned, but I want to see him bring it, jaw at people a bit, talk some ****, fire himself up and take over games.

Like I said, I think he can do it, he's still young enough for him to change somewhat, but it will take something big.

At this point he comes across as the kind of guy who would say "Oh, that's okay." if he found out that his best friend was banging his girl. He's just way too docile on the court. It's wonderful that he's a great guy off the court, and I have a lot of respect for him in that regard, but on the court he needs to be a badass mother effer.

[Vlade Divac]

Agree. It is time to change name for out #1 pick. He is Bustani again.
We should have picked ALdridge. He is a man for our space cadet.

[PharoaheMonch]

I think Bosh really needs Ford back. It was pretty obvious who our leader on and off the court has been and watching him on the sidelines the last couple of weeks has cemented it for me

TJ Ford, we need you back.

[Joga_Bonito]

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I'm not even talking about who bosh is surrounded by on the team, or even wins-losses. I'm talking about how he personally reacts to his team getting manhandled. The team could go 0-82 for all I care, as far as this is concerned, but I want to see him bring it, jaw at people a bit, talk some ****, fire himself up and take over games.

Like I said, I think he can do it, he's still young enough for him to change somewhat, but it will take something big.

At this point he comes across as the kind of guy who would say "Oh, that's okay." if he found out that his best friend was banging his girl. He's just way too docile on the court. It's wonderful that he's a great guy off the court, and I have a lot of respect for him in that regard, but on the court he needs to be a badass mother effer.

He doesnt have the attitude of Sheed when theyre losing but you can tell that he's ticked off when he loses like after the game today, you saw he was visibly upset walking off the court. YOU COULD VISIBLY SEE HIS REACTION WHEN THEY LOSE OR WIN.

[ansoncarter]

What makes these great players great, as we saw tonight, is them using something, ANYTHING, as ammunition to set'em off.

nah, pretty sure it's talent that makes them great

lebron isn't better than bosh because he's more competitive. He's just more talented, on every conceivable level

Every "great" (ie: MVP calibre) player in the league has this quality, but for whatever reason Chris doesn't seem to have that

what about duncan

honestly, bosh is a pretty fiery guy most nights. Not sure what you want from him. Do you expect him to be like braveheart or something? maybe paint his face red, or get a devil tatoo with some skulls around it

[Nia]

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[reck0n3r]

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He doesnt have the attitude of Sheed when theyre losing but you can tell that he's ticked off when he loses like after the game today, you saw he was visibly upset walking off the court. YOU COULD VISIBLY SEE HIS REACTION WHEN THEY LOSE OR WIN.

Okay, but where does this get him during the game?

[KRANG]

He's not showing enough emotion and fire during the game. I want this guy in players faces during timeouts when they make stupid mistakes. Its all about the attitude he has during the game. He's got to bring it.

[I-AM-A-BEAST]

I find it funny that the Bargs apologists are going to all costs to deflect blame from him, starting by blaming the best player on the team.

[Anthrax]

I agree 100%, I really miss TJ for this very reason. Whenever TJ is on the floor he has an air of confidence about him in clutch situations that it rubs off on his teammates. Right now, Bosh does not have that same type of assertiveness for whatever reason. Part of it can be blamed on Bosh for not demanding the basketball and some of the blame needs to go to his teammates who sometimes forget that he is on the floor.

In this game he was the only clear mismatch on the floor for the raptors versus the cavs, but Bosh only got 11 shots up and made 9 of them. So it was not like he wasn't being productive whenever he got the ball. Another issue I noticed today was that he did not get rid of the ball quickly enough after getting doubled, now his teammates have to realize this and flash to an open area instead of camping around the 3-pt arc.

In closing, this team will not be going anywhere unless Bosh picks up both his level of play and overall intensity. If he does, his teammates will likely follow suit and hopefully it will result in wins. If he truly wants to be a winner, if he truly wants to be a great player and a leader this is the next challenge he needs to overcome.

[99 Problems]

Bosh wouldn't get angry if Lebron was yelling at his mother in the front row.. he's the type of player who blocks everything else out and just plays, good or bad.. thats why Smitch's advise to him gets ignored.. he just continues what he's been doing most of the time...so he's either on or not most nights...

But its not even about that... CB4 just cannot be compared to Lebron in things like impacting the game. The NBA is a swingman's league. Lebron is much harder to defend because of his ability to do everything.. CB4 is a big man with limited capabilities, that can be shut down with the right defense.. Lebron can only be stopped by Lebron, and if he feels like doing something there's not much that can be done.. If they're denying him the shot he drives, if they're giving him the shot he makes it, if they go single coverage nobody can guard him, if they double he finds an open teammate, if they double he can still score if he wants... you can only hope he's off, and you certainly don't want to wake him up and get him into the game since he's so competitive..

Bottome line is CB4 is neither a superstar nor a talented G/F, we need at least one of those in order to compete.. we're still obviously in rebuilding mode though...not a finished product by any means..

[UTMCretin]

I watched this game, and, maybe it's just because I didn't follow along in the game thread, but I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. So I will post an emoticon that represents this feeling.



I looked for one that said "your incessant bitching is getting old", but tragically, none was to be found.

[deknow]

Who gives a ****??

The bottom line is that surrounding with with crap, medicore players, and #1 busts is doomed to lead to failure. Same thing that happened with VC here--we gave him some overaged crap and Araujo to work with and it failed and then we all turned on VC. Unless you get a true star (no not TJ--good player but not a star or Bargs..LMAO) to play with Bosh this team will never be good. It's as simple as that.

Who's playing with Lebron? or Kobe? or Howard?

Bosh is not a go to, elite, crunchtime finisher.

[Tommy Gun]

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Who's playing with Lebron? or Kobe? or Howard?

Bosh is not a go to, elite, crunchtime finisher.

No **** he's not and neither is Dwight Howard by the way.

Howard is playing with lewis (an all star) and Turkoglu. Both of those guys would be 2nd options on Toronto.

Kobe is playing with Odom and Bynum. Both of those guys would be second options on the Raptors.

Lebron is playing with no one, which is why his team sucks. LBJ is also arguably the best player in the league and an all-time great...same as Kobe. Why you would comapre Bosh with these two is beyond me...

[reck0n3r]

I watched this game, and, maybe it's just because I didn't follow along in the game thread, but I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. So I will post an emoticon that represents this feeling.



I looked for one that said "your incessant bitching is getting old", but tragically, none was to be found.

Someone's gotta say something instead of 'incessantly' kissing his ass all the time. Tragically, I'm not the one who is flawed in leading the team.

There's a difference between playing hard, and playing with a competitive fire as a franchise player.

[I-AM-A-BEAST]

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Who's playing with Lebron? or Kobe? or Howard?

Bosh is not a go to, elite, crunchtime finisher.

We know that. So why are you expecting him to be one. And your Howard example proves Tommy's point, because Howard isn't one either. Turk and Lewis are the go-to clutch players for the Magic, not Howard. Bosh doesn't have anyone like that on this roster and that was Tommy's point.