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Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:38 pm**

So after reading Supersubs post under the "Hollinger thinks Bosh and Calderon should be all-stars" I thought I'd make a thread telling you guys to VOTE if not KEEP VOTING for JOSE CALDERON. As you all can see , His numbers are simply amazing, he deserves to be in the all-star game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:43 pm**

yeah, trade him for paul!

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:43 pm**

whether he deserves to go or not won't matter ... like I said in another thread, too much individual talent in the East, that I don't see Calderon getting picked over those guys by coaches ... as far as getting the fan-vote, Chris Bosh's YouTube got a lot of mainstream noise and ink, but it wasn't enough to close the gap between him and LeBron/KG ... There's no way Jose's getting voted over D-Wade/J-Kidd ...

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:48 pm**

.....He's not even on the ballot, the only way to vote him in is by write-in. He doesn't even deserve a spot.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:50 pm**

man, it's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too late now man. it's going to be Flip Saunders' decision and no way would he bring Jose in over his own PG.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:52 pm**

According to Hollinger's stats and in depth look. Hes the 3rd BEST guard in the East.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:03 pm**

I thought we were sending TJ to New Orleans?

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:05 pm**

PopAGat wrote:According to Hollinger's stats and in depth look. Hes the 3rd BEST guard in the East.

Third best POINT guard in the east.

Problem is, for the all-star game, players aren't voted in or appointed by coaches as point guards or shooting guards. They're only classified as "guards". Which is one reason why Steve Nash usually get shafted in the starter voting. The starting guards in the west are usually Kobe and T-mac, neither of which is a point guard.

Calderon may be the third best POINT guard in the east, but if they're bringing 5-6 guards with them, he probably won't make that cut. I'm not saying it's impossible, but he's not just up against the other point guards. He's also up against the likes of Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Rip Hamilton, Andre Iguodala and Joe Johnson too.

The odds are stacked against him and most other solid point guards, because the shooting guards are the sexy choice.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:09 pm**

mr sunday night wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Third best POINT guard in the east.

Problem is, for the all-star game, players aren't voted in or appointed by coaches as point guards or shooting guards. They're only classified as "guards". Which is one reason why Steve Nash usually get shafted in the starter voting. The starting guards in the west are usually Kobe and T-mac, neither of which is a point guard.

Calderon may be the third best POINT guard in the east, but if they're bringing 5-6 guards with them, he probably won't make that cut. I'm not saying it's impossible, but he's not just up against the other point guards. He's also up against the likes of Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Rip Hamilton, Andre Iguodala and Joe Johnson too.

The odds are stacked against him and most other solid point guards, because the shooting guards are the sexy choice.

Okay, no. T-backs garbage. He sucks. He is NOT starting in the all-star game and he won't, watch.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:10 pm**

PopAGat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Okay, no. T-backs garbage. He sucks. He is NOT starting in the all-star game and he won't, watch.

I'm not a T-mac fan either, but check the voting tallies. He's currently in second. So unless he's hurt during the all-star break, he's starting.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:12 pm**

PopAGat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Okay, no. T-backs garbage. He sucks. He is NOT starting in the all-star game and he won't, watch.

The guy just said those are the two guards who usually start in the West, to show that a lot of the time there isn't a PG in the starting lineup.

And it's true that T-mac usually starts, hes started in the last 3 or 4 at least I think.

And I didn't take a look at the last results, but I'm pretty sure he's still in a starting spot.

Don't get me wrong, I agree he shouldn't be starting....but the other post was accurate.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:18 pm**

Holy crap, you guys realise that votes mean nothing after the starters are chosen, and that he has ZERO chance of surplanting any other top vote-getters, right?

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:19 pm**

jaymeister15 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The guy just said those are the two guards who usually start in the West, to show that a lot of the time there isn't a PG in the starting lineup.

And it's true that T-mac usually starts, hes started in the last 3 or 4 at least I think.

And I didn't take a look at the last results, but I'm pretty sure he's still in a starting spot.

Don't get me wrong, I agree he shouldn't be starting....but the other post was accurate.

Agreed....just to qualify my earlier post....part of my point was that the system is flawed, with the NBA not differentiating between point guards and shooting guards. It's a crime that Nash doesn't start, and it hurts the actual game by not having a point guard out there to distribute the ball.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:21 pm**

mr sunday night wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Agreed....just to qualify my earlier post....part of my point was that the system is flawed, with the NBA not differentiating between point guards and shooting guards. It's a crime that Nash doesn't start, and it hurts the actual game by not having a point guard out there to distribute the ball.

yep, agree with all of that.

I'm pretty happy a PG is starting in the East. It should be pretty fun to see Kidd setting up Dwight, Lebron, Wade, and KG to start out the game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:26 pm**

If the All-Star game is purely for entertainment, I want to see Vince Carter alley it to himself off the backboard...instead of Jose walk the ball up court and set up an offense.... :lol:

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:28 pm**

jose on the frontpage of espn

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:29 pm**

No way is he making it or even getting top 10 in votes.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:29 pm**

*Official Send Calderon to New Orleans thread*

He will get paid well enough next year, he does not need our money to buy a plane ticket and seats at the game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:32 pm**

The system clearly doesn't work well as it is now.

In theory, if players were in a certain conference your guards and forwards starting the game could be Kobe, Tmac, Lebron, Pierce.

Basically 4 played who all play the same position.

I know its been discussed by the NBA about changing it to this format.

PG:
WING:
WING:
POST:
POST:

Guys like Amare, Yao, Duncan, etc would all be post players...

Guys like Carter, Lebron, Pierce, Jefferson would all be wing players...

And realy PG's would be PG's... Billups, Kidd, etc.

Posted: **Tue Jan 8, 2008 11:35 pm**

ahahahah BATTIER and SCOLA with more votes than for example caron butler, t-hurtback second, amare half votes yao
y-bustyang high ranked
stupid china